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Replying To SmokieRoss: "At the moment he is the only fit unfortunately irrespective of his champuinship record but would any manager have done any better with those teams at the time. Tony McEntee very good manager with Crossmaglen and excellent coach in mayo is hardly tearing it up with them since.
Roscommon are too much of a yo-yo team for any leading contender to take it but also the lack of facilities must be a major factor." Having to ring around at the weekend looking for a pitch to train on the following week doesn't help.
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Replying To dave1988: "I think we are in an awful position right now. No one wants the job only Flanagan. Club championship will be over before we get this sorted. We have no training facilities and that has to be a major factor for anyone thinking about taking this job. Flanagan will probably get it now and the question is will he stick with a backroom team he's had over the years or try something new. I get the impression he will stick with people he's worked with before." Regardless of Flanagan's past accomplishments if now appointed bottom line it will be hard for the players to respect this appointment other than he got the job by default. Especially since his name was the first in the hat. Would not see this appointment adding any enthusiasm to the panel. Hope I am wrong. I am sure there are many other counties out there whose Facilities are at the same level or lower than ours? I find it hard to believe if Connellan could not take the position on that the Board would have known early on of issues through no ones fault that could not be addressed? Which leads me to believe the Board have another candidate in mind which is being kept quiet to avoid rumors or allowing for the back up team to be confirmed?
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How good is Pat Flanagan?. He won two county titles with Padraig Pearses in four years. He had five starting county players, two or three more on the county panel, ex county captain and a few county underage players at his disposal, who were all very committed. Most of the team did their pre-season training, strength and conditioning under county management team. Thus I wonder how good he would be at preparing a team. To his credit he knows how to line out a team and make good decisions during matches.
diehardrossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 6 - 14/09/2022 16:55:18
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Replying To Rossgaa47: "Regardless of Flanagan's past accomplishments if now appointed bottom line it will be hard for the players to respect this appointment other than he got the job by default. Especially since his name was the first in the hat. Would not see this appointment adding any enthusiasm to the panel. Hope I am wrong. I am sure there are many other counties out there whose Facilities are at the same level or lower than ours? I find it hard to believe if Connellan could not take the position on that the Board would have known early on of issues through no ones fault that could not be addressed? Which leads me to believe the Board have another candidate in mind which is being kept quiet to avoid rumors or allowing for the back up team to be confirmed?" I admire your faith in the county board and I'd love to be proven wrong but I'd be amazed if that's what's happening here. It's hard to have faith in them after the shambles with the centre of excellence in donamon. Flanagan is the only one that wants the job and they clearly aren't keen on him or he'd have got it a month ago. Fergal O'Donnells name being mentioned also - great servant to Roscommon football but the game has moved on from 10 years ago and going back there won't work. Look at Monaghan with Banty. Connellan may have a lot to prove at this level but it's something different that people can get behind and he seems to be the preferred choice of the majority - it's a pity if it won't work out for him.
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One is hoping that County Board indeed have a suitable name up their sleeve amd are keeping it quiet. I feel we are going to end up in a scenario like Longford last year with an appointment for one year. We'd be more attractive to a lot of managers were we in Division 2.
Interesting to hear Jayo saying he was very interested in Monagham but it didn't work out. You'd have to assume that was down to financial issues. Again Monaghan probably not taking a risk on someone with little management experience at what is also a critical appointment for them who are similar to ourselves in terms of age range young and old and monaghan probably slightly older.
In relation to Pat Flanagan and again he is the only confirmed candidate amd what he has done for Pearses what a lot of other managers couldn't. Yes he had county players but none of them forwards on county senior team. Hubert D'Arcy tended to play midfield or defensive wing forward the few appearances he made at senior county level.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 15/09/2022 10:15:19
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "I admire your faith in the county board and I'd love to be proven wrong but I'd be amazed if that's what's happening here. It's hard to have faith in them after the shambles with the centre of excellence in donamon. Flanagan is the only one that wants the job and they clearly aren't keen on him or he'd have got it a month ago. Fergal O'Donnells name being mentioned also - great servant to Roscommon football but the game has moved on from 10 years ago and going back there won't work. Look at Monaghan with Banty. Connellan may have a lot to prove at this level but it's something different that people can get behind and he seems to be the preferred choice of the majority - it's a pity if it won't work out for him." I wonder is Fergal O'Donnell interested. I hadn't heard his name mentioned. I don't agree that O'Donnell has been left behind 10 years on. Fergal O'Donnell has a very professional approach and a keen attention to detail. We know what he did with the minors out of nothing. I'd be happy to see him get the senior job but I doubt it will happen.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2406 - 15/09/2022 13:55:36
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Replying To endgame: "I wonder is Fergal O'Donnell interested. I hadn't heard his name mentioned. I don't agree that O'Donnell has been left behind 10 years on. Fergal O'Donnell has a very professional approach and a keen attention to detail. We know what he did with the minors out of nothing. I'd be happy to see him get the senior job but I doubt it will happen." With the way he was treated in 2016 I can't see him touching it.
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "With the way he was treated in 2016 I can't see him touching it." Indeed. The Roscommon county board is quite lucky to have a man of the caliber of Pat Flanagan still interested in the job. Natives within the county know the low down score, whereas outsiders might not!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2224 - 15/09/2022 16:57:58
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Indeed. The Roscommon county board is quite lucky to have a man of the caliber of Pat Flanagan still interested in the job. Natives within the county know the low down score, whereas outsiders might not!" You should confine your posts to April Fool's day. It's the only day of the year they'd be worth reading.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2406 - 15/09/2022 17:23:54
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Indeed. The Roscommon county board is quite lucky to have a man of the caliber of Pat Flanagan still interested in the job. Natives within the county know the low down score, whereas outsiders might not!" Lucky? he's the type of candidate we were regularly linked with when we were in Div 3 and not good enough to gain promotion for that Division. On Fergal O'Donnell is not in the running for the senior position, Seamus Duke on the Roscommon people threw his name out there which was pure idle speculation.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4043 - 15/09/2022 17:39:50
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Covid has changed many people's perspective on life and has resulted in many people questioning where they allocate their time and the benefits and drawbacks of being involved in many activities.
The county board have an impossible task at the moment trying to satisfy many posters on this forum during very difficult circumstances. Like all of us, they are doing their best for Roscommon football and I personally will support whoever gets the job for the short to medium term at least. Some posters were recently very critical of our past managers and seem to forget that both Kevin McStay and Anthony Cunningham both won Connacht Finals against the odds with the Rossies. Constant criticism of management on social media does not make the jobs in Roscommon, Donegal or Monaghan (all division 1 teams) very attractive to potential managers. (However, we are not as bad as the critics in Donegal & Monaghan in fairness!)
We have a very small population (smaller than Tallaght in Dublin) with respect to many of our competitors and many of our players are based in Dublin and have to travel for training. To be operating in division one under these circumstances is an achievement and the players deserve credit for being the only unbeaten team in all four divisions of the league last year. Hopefully we can stay up in division 1 this time and continue to be very competitive in both the league and championship.
Kevin McStay stated a couple of days ago that:
"Myself, my wife, my family, we agree I would dedicate the next four years of my life to this challenge and so I have the space to do it"
Kevin McStay is retired and has Stephen Rochford, Donie Buckley, Liam McHale, Damien Mulligan and sports psychologist Niamh Fitzpatrick on his team. Padraic Joyce had Cian O'Neill and Bernard Dunne as part of him team last year. Dublin recently had Jim Galvin, Declan Darcy (The new high-performance coach for Leinster rugby) Jason Sherlock and Bernard Dunne as part of the support team. We do not have the playing population or the financial resources of either Galway, Mayo or Dublin and this certainly needs to be taken into consideration before having a go at past and potentially new managers who are only doing their best for Roscommon football.
The reality of the situation is that we are very likely to be third favourites with the bookies to win Connacht next year, so people should not really be looking for the new manager to be sacked so long as we were competitive in the championship. Don't get me wrong; I really want Roscommon to win the Connacht title this year. However repeated criticism does not help the players or the management team's mental health and needs to be kept in perspective in order to prevent people saying to themselves; "this is not worth it"
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 731 - 15/09/2022 18:50:06
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Covid has changed many people's perspective on life and has resulted in many people questioning where they allocate their time and the benefits and drawbacks of being involved in many activities.
The county board have an impossible task at the moment trying to satisfy many posters on this forum during very difficult circumstances. Like all of us, they are doing their best for Roscommon football and I personally will support whoever gets the job for the short to medium term at least. Some posters were recently very critical of our past managers and seem to forget that both Kevin McStay and Anthony Cunningham both won Connacht Finals against the odds with the Rossies. Constant criticism of management on social media does not make the jobs in Roscommon, Donegal or Monaghan (all division 1 teams) very attractive to potential managers. (However, we are not as bad as the critics in Donegal & Monaghan in fairness!)
We have a very small population (smaller than Tallaght in Dublin) with respect to many of our competitors and many of our players are based in Dublin and have to travel for training. To be operating in division one under these circumstances is an achievement and the players deserve credit for being the only unbeaten team in all four divisions of the league last year. Hopefully we can stay up in division 1 this time and continue to be very competitive in both the league and championship.
Kevin McStay stated a couple of days ago that:
"Myself, my wife, my family, we agree I would dedicate the next four years of my life to this challenge and so I have the space to do it"
Kevin McStay is retired and has Stephen Rochford, Donie Buckley, Liam McHale, Damien Mulligan and sports psychologist Niamh Fitzpatrick on his team. Padraic Joyce had Cian O'Neill and Bernard Dunne as part of him team last year. Dublin recently had Jim Galvin, Declan Darcy (The new high-performance coach for Leinster rugby) Jason Sherlock and Bernard Dunne as part of the support team. We do not have the playing population or the financial resources of either Galway, Mayo or Dublin and this certainly needs to be taken into consideration before having a go at past and potentially new managers who are only doing their best for Roscommon football.
The reality of the situation is that we are very likely to be third favourites with the bookies to win Connacht next year, so people should not really be looking for the new manager to be sacked so long as we were competitive in the championship. Don't get me wrong; I really want Roscommon to win the Connacht title this year. However repeated criticism does not help the players or the management team's mental health and needs to be kept in perspective in order to prevent people saying to themselves; "this is not worth it"" I appreciate everything in your post but Roscommon football must move on from that perspective or you will never win anything. You are now in Div 1 of the league and perhaps a top 8 team so what do you do? embrace it and kick on or just do what you've always done and fall back down.
I can't understand why Roscommon has not filled the managers post yet or at least have a shortlist at this point. Every ambitious manager would surely love to manage a Div 1 team? but yet in Roscommon the job almost seems like a poisoned chalice, why? the players are there after all they got ye there. Is it the managers fault? was Kevin McStay not good enough? He's with Mayo now. Anthony Cunningham? although he did great work he probably had to go after losing to Clare. In my opinion he was just too rigid in his selections....the same 15 starting, the same subs at the same times each game it just became to predictable. Could he not have put more faith in some of the young lads ie Keith Doyle, Shane Cunnane, Tom O'Carroll etc
Are the county board doing enough? If I were the chairman of the Roscommon county board I would be leaning towards a young vibrant manager who would bring that x factor to the role. Mike Solan a former u20 winner, Paul Kilkirk(spelling) Limerick hurlers outstanding coach... can he be tempted to try something different?
The bottom line is you just can't stand still. you have to try and push on to achieve the improvements and consistency required to maintain the status you have now. it will be tough but you have to find a way.
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Replying To mayomanic: "I appreciate everything in your post but Roscommon football must move on from that perspective or you will never win anything. You are now in Div 1 of the league and perhaps a top 8 team so what do you do? embrace it and kick on or just do what you've always done and fall back down.
I can't understand why Roscommon has not filled the managers post yet or at least have a shortlist at this point. Every ambitious manager would surely love to manage a Div 1 team? but yet in Roscommon the job almost seems like a poisoned chalice, why? the players are there after all they got ye there. Is it the managers fault? was Kevin McStay not good enough? He's with Mayo now. Anthony Cunningham? although he did great work he probably had to go after losing to Clare. In my opinion he was just too rigid in his selections....the same 15 starting, the same subs at the same times each game it just became to predictable. Could he not have put more faith in some of the young lads ie Keith Doyle, Shane Cunnane, Tom O'Carroll etc
Are the county board doing enough? If I were the chairman of the Roscommon county board I would be leaning towards a young vibrant manager who would bring that x factor to the role. Mike Solan a former u20 winner, Paul Kilkirk(spelling) Limerick hurlers outstanding coach... can he be tempted to try something different?
The bottom line is you just can't stand still. you have to try and push on to achieve the improvements and consistency required to maintain the status you have now. it will be tough but you have to find a way." Looks like another last minute appointment like in the case of Cunningham. Perhaps he will be in place in time for pre-season training.
How about former Corofin manager O'Brien. Is he with anyone at the moment. I'm sure he would like a cut at intercounty management. He certainly has the pedigree.
B&G (Longford) - Posts: 371 - 16/09/2022 09:40:16
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Replying To mayomanic: "I appreciate everything in your post but Roscommon football must move on from that perspective or you will never win anything. You are now in Div 1 of the league and perhaps a top 8 team so what do you do? embrace it and kick on or just do what you've always done and fall back down.
I can't understand why Roscommon has not filled the managers post yet or at least have a shortlist at this point. Every ambitious manager would surely love to manage a Div 1 team? but yet in Roscommon the job almost seems like a poisoned chalice, why? the players are there after all they got ye there. Is it the managers fault? was Kevin McStay not good enough? He's with Mayo now. Anthony Cunningham? although he did great work he probably had to go after losing to Clare. In my opinion he was just too rigid in his selections....the same 15 starting, the same subs at the same times each game it just became to predictable. Could he not have put more faith in some of the young lads ie Keith Doyle, Shane Cunnane, Tom O'Carroll etc
Are the county board doing enough? If I were the chairman of the Roscommon county board I would be leaning towards a young vibrant manager who would bring that x factor to the role. Mike Solan a former u20 winner, Paul Kilkirk(spelling) Limerick hurlers outstanding coach... can he be tempted to try something different?
The bottom line is you just can't stand still. you have to try and push on to achieve the improvements and consistency required to maintain the status you have now. it will be tough but you have to find a way." Dont think McStay was good enough myself. And from listening to lads involved with Ros he wasnt great. McHale was much better of the duo. That said he has assembled a worldie of a back room team who will do majority of the work and he will be left to "Manage" which he is good at. WAs next to useless with having to have a hands on approach with us.
On the young lads you named Doyle and Cunnane are both midfielders. Midfield was our strongest area this year. Doyle maybe could have pushed Nolan out towards the end but Cunnane no. O Carroll is good and will get better but while i agree too much faith is placed in underperforming forwards like smiths and Cox we would have been better of with likes of Carey who never got a look after his injury or pleading with Ciaran Lennon to play
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Replying To mayomanic: "I appreciate everything in your post but Roscommon football must move on from that perspective or you will never win anything. You are now in Div 1 of the league and perhaps a top 8 team so what do you do? embrace it and kick on or just do what you've always done and fall back down.
I can't understand why Roscommon has not filled the managers post yet or at least have a shortlist at this point. Every ambitious manager would surely love to manage a Div 1 team? but yet in Roscommon the job almost seems like a poisoned chalice, why? the players are there after all they got ye there. Is it the managers fault? was Kevin McStay not good enough? He's with Mayo now. Anthony Cunningham? although he did great work he probably had to go after losing to Clare. In my opinion he was just too rigid in his selections....the same 15 starting, the same subs at the same times each game it just became to predictable. Could he not have put more faith in some of the young lads ie Keith Doyle, Shane Cunnane, Tom O'Carroll etc
Are the county board doing enough? If I were the chairman of the Roscommon county board I would be leaning towards a young vibrant manager who would bring that x factor to the role. Mike Solan a former u20 winner, Paul Kilkirk(spelling) Limerick hurlers outstanding coach... can he be tempted to try something different?
The bottom line is you just can't stand still. you have to try and push on to achieve the improvements and consistency required to maintain the status you have now. it will be tough but you have to find a way." In fairness "mayomanic" you make some very valid points and do so in a positive and balanced way. All Roscommon supporters (including myself) want Roscommon to embrace playing in division 1 and kick-on next year as will be seen by the large number supporters that will travel to our away games. There are several reasons to be positive as we have many good young players coming through who have played in recent under 17 and under 20 All Ireland finals. However, while some of them have improved their S&C, several more will take a couple of more years to reach their full potential.
There is certainly some reasons for optimism in Roscommon Gaa circles and it is certainly not all doom and gloom.
The glass is certainly half full rather than half empty as far as I am concerned and that was the main reason behind my original post, along with being realistic about our overall expectations.
Hopefully the county board will announce the management teams for the under 17's, under 20's and senior teams very shortly.
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I believe the interviews for the U20 job are taking place today. I was told at a game last night that Noel Dunning, Garret Carroll, Enda Nugent and James Martin are all in the running but Liam Tully, who was nominated by Kilbride again, has withdrawn from contention.
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Replying To TakeYourPointsAndTheGoalsWillCome: "I believe the interviews for the U20 job are taking place today. I was told at a game last night that Noel Dunning, Garret Carroll, Enda Nugent and James Martin are all in the running but Liam Tully, who was nominated by Kilbride again, has withdrawn from contention." Seems to be a lot more interest in the U20 job than in the senior job. Some good candidates there.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2406 - 17/09/2022 09:18:09
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Replying To mayomanic: "I appreciate everything in your post but Roscommon football must move on from that perspective or you will never win anything. You are now in Div 1 of the league and perhaps a top 8 team so what do you do? embrace it and kick on or just do what you've always done and fall back down.
I can't understand why Roscommon has not filled the managers post yet or at least have a shortlist at this point. Every ambitious manager would surely love to manage a Div 1 team? but yet in Roscommon the job almost seems like a poisoned chalice, why? the players are there after all they got ye there. Is it the managers fault? was Kevin McStay not good enough? He's with Mayo now. Anthony Cunningham? although he did great work he probably had to go after losing to Clare. In my opinion he was just too rigid in his selections....the same 15 starting, the same subs at the same times each game it just became to predictable. Could he not have put more faith in some of the young lads ie Keith Doyle, Shane Cunnane, Tom O'Carroll etc
Are the county board doing enough? If I were the chairman of the Roscommon county board I would be leaning towards a young vibrant manager who would bring that x factor to the role. Mike Solan a former u20 winner, Paul Kilkirk(spelling) Limerick hurlers outstanding coach... can he be tempted to try something different?
The bottom line is you just can't stand still. you have to try and push on to achieve the improvements and consistency required to maintain the status you have now. it will be tough but you have to find a way." Cunnane ,Doyle, Ben O'Carroll, Cregg, Walsh ,Gavin are all young lads that should now be pushing the other lads for starting places. We definitely should be able to stay in division 1 with proper defensive coaching . Think Walsh is the full back we have been looking for and leaves stack to move to wing forward. We do lack good defender's in roscommon.we have endless amount of quality forwards but struggle to find good defender's.
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Another week and more names linked to the job. From Donaghy to Sherlock to Eamon Fitzmaurice. Lot of talk now of Fergal O Donnell and one of the family said Terry Hylqnd ex Cavan and Leitrim was been mentioned in certain circles. Rumour has it Pat Flanagan has withdrawn his name due to the lack of movement on the process. Interesting to see the neighbours in Mayo announced all their managers last night while Galway have continuity in abundance.
You'd hope at least the u20 should be sorted today and announced early next week. For me Enda Nugent would bring continuity after been minor manager last year. It would mean two westmeath men over our two main underage teams not that it is an issue.
Obviously the committee looking for a senior manager have their work cut out as the people on it would have huge contacts so getting names to approach wouldn't be an issue. So that leaves either we are trying to do it on a shoestring budget as usual and are not able to approach the higher level of candidates like Malachy O Rourke, Horan etc or they are approaching them and finance just needs to be put in place.. Somehow you would have to think its the former.
AC was a very late appointment last time as this one will be so the likelihood of changes to the senior panel is already going to be limited as any new management won't have got the opportunity to assess players in the championship.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 17/09/2022 13:02:14
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Eye catching result of the weekend in the senior championship was Boyle hammering Clann by 16 points this evening Daire Cregg especially impressing with 3-4. A result like that is a wake up call as Clann will hardly be a as loose in the defence for the knock out stages? Boyle still have issues themselves in defence and will need to shore up if they want to improve on their past semi final exits.
Another eye catching result was the manner and margin Roscommon Gaels beat Glaveys. Peter Gillooly and Cian Connelly to the fore there.
Faithleachs won the battle to avoid the relegation play off good progress for them after coming up this year. Western Gaels like last year are looking to avoid the trap door and should avoid it again.
Good showing by Tulsk against many peoples favourites Brigids. Will be a surprise if Elphin aren't the ones relegated.
Knock out stages include
Oran,Brigids,Boyle,Pearses,Roscommon Gaels,Clann,Faithleachs,Glaveys and Strokestown. Looks like an open championship but how many are really capable of winning this county title?
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