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In football, the last County with a population under 100,000 to win the All Ireland senior football championship was Offaly in 1982. Kilkenny's population has been under 100,000 but is now over that and they've obviously frequently won the hurling. 70,000 in Roscommon is a reasonable sized population. We have a good football tradition and I think our senior team should be doing better than it is. I'll always be ambitious for Roscommon football. Our population was smaller when we produced the great Roscommon teams (1943-1946 and 1977-1980).
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 02/07/2022 15:13:31 2429216 Link 0 |
Mayo being at the business end of the championship most years since you can remember is because you have nurtured and developed your talented underage players better than most. Have always said on here before even at poor underage years like this year developing players so they can go on to be established players will be the main judgement. At senior level we started at low base got up to Div 2 in 2008 and were out of our depth 2009 to 2014 we were a Div 3 team and one year in Div 4. Rather than dreaming of AI final appearances underage development over the next 5 years will be key to not falling back to that level again. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3754 - 02/07/2022 15:17:33 2429218 Link 0 |
If you apply today's population to senior AI finalists in football and hurling over the past 30 years, here is what it would look like. Offaly would be the only one with population under 100k to have reached a senior AI final over past 30 years. Numbers might change a bit if you applied each years population rather than taking today's and applying it to all (Kilkenny might drop below 100k in some years for example), but it still gives a good view of how many counties with population under 100k are reaching senior AI finals. The answer basically is none! 1992 - Football | Donegal - 166,321 | Dublin - 1,450,701 1993 - Football | Derry - 247,132 | Cork - 581,231 1994 - Football | Down - 531,665 | Dublin - 1,450,701 1995 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Tyrone - 179,000 1996 - Football | Meath - 220,296 | Mayo - 137,231 1997 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Mayo - 137,231 1998 - Football | Galway - 276,451 | Kildare - 246,977 1999 - Football | Meath - 220,296 | Cork - 581,231 2000 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Galway - 276,451 2001 - Football | Galway - 276,451 | Meath - 220,296 2002 - Football | Armagh - 174,792 | Kerry - 155,258 2003 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Armagh - 174,792 2004 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Mayo - 137,231 2005 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Kerry - 155,258 2006 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Mayo - 137,231 2007 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Cork - 581,231 2008 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Kerry - 155,258 2009 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Cork - 581,231 2010 - Football | Cork - 581,231 | Down - 531,665 2011 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Kerry - 155,258 2012 - Football | Donegal - 166,321 | Mayo - 137,231 2013 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231 2014 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Donegal - 166,321 2015 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Kerry - 155,258 2016 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231 2017 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231 2018 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Tyrone - 179,000 2019 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Kerry - 155,258 2020 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231 2021 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Mayo - 137,231 1992 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Cork - 581,231 1993 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Galway - 276,451 1994 - Hurling | Offaly - 82,668 | Limerick - 205,444 1995 - Hurling | Clare - 127,419 | Offaly - 82,668 1996 - Hurling | Wexford - 163,527 | Limerick - 205,444 1997 - Hurling | Clare - 127,419 | Tipperary - 167,661 1998 - Hurling | Offaly - 82,668 | Kilkenny - 103,685 1999 - Hurling | Cork - 581,231 | Kilkenny - 103,685 2000 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Offaly - 82,668 2001 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Galway - 276,451 2002 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Clare - 127,419 2003 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Cork - 581,231 2004 - Hurling | Cork - 581,231 | Kilkenny - 103,685 2005 - Hurling | Cork - 581,231 | Galway - 276,451 2006 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Cork - 581,231 2007 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Limerick - 205,444 2008 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Waterford - 127,085 2009 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Tipperary - 167,661 2010 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Kilkenny - 103,685 2011 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Tipperary - 167,661 2012 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Galway - 276,451 2013 - Hurling | Clare - 127,419 | Cork - 581,231 2014 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Tipperary - 167,661 2015 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Galway - 276,451 2016 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Kilkenny - 103,685 2017 - Hurling | Galway - 276,451 | Waterford - 127,085 2018 - Hurling | Limerick - 205,444 | Galway - 276,451 2019 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Kilkenny - 103,685 2020 - Hurling | Limerick - 205,444 | Waterford - 127,085 2021 - Hurling | Limerick - 205,444 | Cork - 581,231 (Note: based on pre-lim 2022 census data) LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 02/07/2022 15:23:58 2429221 Link 1 |
The population of Tallaght along is 80,339. (Much more than the whole of county Roscommon). A played from Tallaght playing with Dublin does not have to spend 4 Hours travelling to/from a training session each night with their county team, as many of our Roscommon players have to do. They are back in bed getting rest while many of our lads are cramping up in the back of cars. letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 505 - 02/07/2022 15:55:15 2429234 Link 1 |
Not only has a county with a population under 100k not won Sam since Offaly, I doubt there has even been a county making the final with that small of population. Population isn't everything but seems to be a massive factor. Mayo have probably been the county with the smallest population making the final and they still have 120k. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 02/07/2022 17:13:55 2429246 Link 0 |
Counties with Cities/large towns and 3rd level institutions have all the advantages compared to scattered rural Counties. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1415 - 02/07/2022 17:15:31 2429247 Link 0 |
That's it, big urban centres mean more jobs, easier to keep players in the county and if ya have a 3rd level college then even more advantageous.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 02/07/2022 17:23:23 2429250 Link 0 |
An awful lot of the Ros lads are teachers but nearly all in Dublin schools. You'd wonder could they not have found posts close to home or in the likes of Sligo, Athlone or Mullingar e.g. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1415 - 03/07/2022 10:57:00 2429366 Link 0 |
Tyrone. 179k. But in comparable terms under 100k when u apply the multipler ( around 0.5)
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 03/07/2022 11:37:37 2429376 Link 0 |
True but good point above that with large populations come bigger towns/cities which can provide more employment and less lads having to leave the county. Although a big chunk of the Tyrone population will have nothing to do with GAA, having more and larger urban areas helps keep their players in the county. Could some of Offaly's success in the 1980's been a result of the Bord na Mona effect? Out of interest is there many of the Galway starting 15 based outside the county?
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 03/07/2022 12:56:22 2429387 Link 1 |
You would think that'd be possible and make more sense. Somewhere within an hour drive you'd think
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 03/07/2022 12:57:45 2429388 Link 0 |
53 clubs in Tyrone and i think just five of which focus on hurling alone. I was in the Garvaghey Centre a few months ago, as close to a professional set up as its get for amateur team.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 03/07/2022 17:57:29 2429464 Link 1 |
Wishing Cathal Heneghan a speedy recovery after dislocating his kneecap when playing for Glaveys the other night. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3754 - 07/07/2022 17:57:18 2430376 Link 0 |
Great to see the Leagues played in one continuous period of time and ending in July. Thanks to the "split season". Hopefully next year all the Divisions won't be split as a 5 game League is hardly a League at all. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1415 - 08/07/2022 11:15:46 2430436 Link 0 |
Clubs sat down with the county board and all agreed that the league would be finished before the championship started something that should have been done years ago. split season has just made things congested for the inter County football and next year will really highlight that and I'll be surprised if that isn't adjusted again in 2024 or 2025. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3754 - 08/07/2022 14:17:33 2430503 Link 0 |
Well done to Roscommon referee Paddy Neilan today. It was a very difficult game to referee and he had many difficult/marginal decisions to make, but I though he got the vast majority of the right. As a neutral watching the match I think you could say that he did not any decision badly wrong. ( Most of the contentious issues were marginal) letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 505 - 10/07/2022 18:08:17 2431124 Link 1 |
Do you think he got the penalty decision right and do you think he was right not to card Sean O'Shea for the follow up challenge on the goalkeeper..
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 10/07/2022 18:22:35 2431133 Link 0 |
Taught Paddy had an excellent game to be fair. Often disagree with his decision when im playing and hes in charge but credit where its due he didnt put foot wrong today in an extremely pressured game.
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1144 - 10/07/2022 18:37:22 2431140 Link 0 |
Congrats Paddy Neilan on a fine game today. I thought his top level career was over after a bit of a disaster in a Tipp game a few years back but he looked very composed and in control today. He got all the big decisions right and even the small ones, which in a tight game were big. The pick up off the ground against Sean Ó'Shea (I think) was an exceptional spot. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/07/2022 21:52:50 2431219 Link 0 |
Yes he got it right. O'Shea was entitled to go for the ball I thought because it rebounded quite a bit. His manager would have been furious if he didn't. Penalty should have been a retake though as Comerford was about a foot off his line when ball was kicked. Looked obvious at the time but was actually tight enough looking at the replay Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/07/2022 22:03:06 2431223 Link 0 |