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Replying To Yondu:  "in the latest census is a handful under 70,000. Plenty population to have a good football team if the right structures are in place.

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Yes it is but reaching All-Ireland final? How many counties under the population of 100k has reached the senior AI the last 30 years?"
In football, the last County with a population under 100,000 to win the All Ireland senior football championship was Offaly in 1982. Kilkenny's population has been under 100,000 but is now over that and they've obviously frequently won the hurling. 70,000 in Roscommon is a reasonable sized population. We have a good football tradition and I think our senior team should be doing better than it is. I'll always be ambitious for Roscommon football. Our population was smaller when we produced the great Roscommon teams (1943-1946 and 1977-1980).

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1773 - 02/07/2022 15:13:31    2429216

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I don't base underage success on wins. It's about progression, nurturing and developing players. If you win an all Ireland great, but it's just a bonus in the grand scheme of things. If Mayo can get 3 or 5 quality senior players eventually out of this current minor team for example then it's a job well done.

Mayo being at the business end of the championship most years since I can remember shows we have better talent than Roscommon. But that's not blowing my trumpet because we have failed to deliver Sam and anything less is no deemed failure (which is no bad thing).

Of course population comes into it and I'm not taking a dig. I think Roscommon do very well considering your population but some posters here seem to be over rating some of your players and chances. That's just my opinion of course."
Mayo being at the business end of the championship most years since you can remember is because you have nurtured and developed your talented underage players better than most.

Have always said on here before even at poor underage years like this year developing players so they can go on to be established players will be the main judgement.

At senior level we started at low base got up to Div 2 in 2008 and were out of our depth 2009 to 2014 we were a Div 3 team and one year in Div 4. Rather than dreaming of AI final appearances underage development over the next 5 years will be key to not falling back to that level again.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3204 - 02/07/2022 15:17:33    2429218

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Replying To Yondu:  "in the latest census is a handful under 70,000. Plenty population to have a good football team if the right structures are in place.

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Yes it is but reaching All-Ireland final? How many counties under the population of 100k has reached the senior AI the last 30 years?"
If you apply today's population to senior AI finalists in football and hurling over the past 30 years, here is what it would look like. Offaly would be the only one with population under 100k to have reached a senior AI final over past 30 years. Numbers might change a bit if you applied each years population rather than taking today's and applying it to all (Kilkenny might drop below 100k in some years for example), but it still gives a good view of how many counties with population under 100k are reaching senior AI finals. The answer basically is none!

1992 - Football | Donegal - 166,321 | Dublin - 1,450,701
1993 - Football | Derry - 247,132 | Cork - 581,231
1994 - Football | Down - 531,665 | Dublin - 1,450,701
1995 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Tyrone - 179,000
1996 - Football | Meath - 220,296 | Mayo - 137,231
1997 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Mayo - 137,231
1998 - Football | Galway - 276,451 | Kildare - 246,977
1999 - Football | Meath - 220,296 | Cork - 581,231
2000 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Galway - 276,451
2001 - Football | Galway - 276,451 | Meath - 220,296
2002 - Football | Armagh - 174,792 | Kerry - 155,258
2003 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Armagh - 174,792
2004 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Mayo - 137,231
2005 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Kerry - 155,258
2006 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Mayo - 137,231
2007 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Cork - 581,231
2008 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Kerry - 155,258
2009 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Cork - 581,231
2010 - Football | Cork - 581,231 | Down - 531,665
2011 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Kerry - 155,258
2012 - Football | Donegal - 166,321 | Mayo - 137,231
2013 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231
2014 - Football | Kerry - 155,258 | Donegal - 166,321
2015 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Kerry - 155,258
2016 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231
2017 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231
2018 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Tyrone - 179,000
2019 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Kerry - 155,258
2020 - Football | Dublin - 1,450,701 | Mayo - 137,231
2021 - Football | Tyrone - 179,000 | Mayo - 137,231

1992 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Cork - 581,231
1993 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Galway - 276,451
1994 - Hurling | Offaly - 82,668 | Limerick - 205,444
1995 - Hurling | Clare - 127,419 | Offaly - 82,668
1996 - Hurling | Wexford - 163,527 | Limerick - 205,444
1997 - Hurling | Clare - 127,419 | Tipperary - 167,661
1998 - Hurling | Offaly - 82,668 | Kilkenny - 103,685
1999 - Hurling | Cork - 581,231 | Kilkenny - 103,685
2000 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Offaly - 82,668
2001 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Galway - 276,451
2002 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Clare - 127,419
2003 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Cork - 581,231
2004 - Hurling | Cork - 581,231 | Kilkenny - 103,685
2005 - Hurling | Cork - 581,231 | Galway - 276,451
2006 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Cork - 581,231
2007 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Limerick - 205,444
2008 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Waterford - 127,085
2009 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Tipperary - 167,661
2010 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Kilkenny - 103,685
2011 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Tipperary - 167,661
2012 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Galway - 276,451
2013 - Hurling | Clare - 127,419 | Cork - 581,231
2014 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Tipperary - 167,661
2015 - Hurling | Kilkenny - 103,685 | Galway - 276,451
2016 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Kilkenny - 103,685
2017 - Hurling | Galway - 276,451 | Waterford - 127,085
2018 - Hurling | Limerick - 205,444 | Galway - 276,451
2019 - Hurling | Tipperary - 167,661 | Kilkenny - 103,685
2020 - Hurling | Limerick - 205,444 | Waterford - 127,085
2021 - Hurling | Limerick - 205,444 | Cork - 581,231

(Note: based on pre-lim 2022 census data)

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 195 - 02/07/2022 15:23:58    2429221

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Replying To Yondu:  "in the latest census is a handful under 70,000. Plenty population to have a good football team if the right structures are in place.

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Yes it is but reaching All-Ireland final? How many counties under the population of 100k has reached the senior AI the last 30 years?"
The population of Tallaght along is 80,339. (Much more than the whole of county Roscommon).
A played from Tallaght playing with Dublin does not have to spend 4 Hours travelling to/from a training session each night with their county team, as many of our Roscommon players have to do. They are back in bed getting rest while many of our lads are cramping up in the back of cars.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 77 - 02/07/2022 15:55:15    2429234

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Not only has a county with a population under 100k not won Sam since Offaly, I doubt there has even been a county making the final with that small of population. Population isn't everything but seems to be a massive factor. Mayo have probably been the county with the smallest population making the final and they still have 120k.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 228 - 02/07/2022 17:13:55    2429246

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Counties with Cities/large towns and 3rd level institutions have all the advantages compared to scattered rural Counties.
Plenty of good jobs near home is a great help in preparing a team.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 375 - 02/07/2022 17:15:31    2429247

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Counties with Cities/large towns and 3rd level institutions have all the advantages compared to scattered rural Counties.
Plenty of good jobs near home is a great help in preparing a team."
That's it, big urban centres mean more jobs, easier to keep players in the county and if ya have a 3rd level college then even more advantageous.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 228 - 02/07/2022 17:23:23    2429250

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "That's it, big urban centres mean more jobs, easier to keep players in the county and if ya have a 3rd level college then even more advantageous."
An awful lot of the Ros lads are teachers but nearly all in Dublin schools.
You'd wonder could they not have found posts close to home or in the likes of Sligo, Athlone or Mullingar e.g.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 375 - 03/07/2022 10:57:00    2429366

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Not only has a county with a population under 100k not won Sam since Offaly, I doubt there has even been a county making the final with that small of population. Population isn't everything but seems to be a massive factor. Mayo have probably been the county with the smallest population making the final and they still have 120k."
Tyrone. 179k. But in comparable terms under 100k when u apply the multipler ( around 0.5)

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 443 - 03/07/2022 11:37:37    2429376

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Tyrone. 179k. But in comparable terms under 100k when u apply the multipler ( around 0.5)"
True but good point above that with large populations come bigger towns/cities which can provide more employment and less lads having to leave the county. Although a big chunk of the Tyrone population will have nothing to do with GAA, having more and larger urban areas helps keep their players in the county. Could some of Offaly's success in the 1980's been a result of the Bord na Mona effect? Out of interest is there many of the Galway starting 15 based outside the county?

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 228 - 03/07/2022 12:56:22    2429387

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "An awful lot of the Ros lads are teachers but nearly all in Dublin schools.
You'd wonder could they not have found posts close to home or in the likes of Sligo, Athlone or Mullingar e.g."
You would think that'd be possible and make more sense. Somewhere within an hour drive you'd think

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 228 - 03/07/2022 12:57:45    2429388

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Tyrone. 179k. But in comparable terms under 100k when u apply the multipler ( around 0.5)"
53 clubs in Tyrone and i think just five of which focus on hurling alone. I was in the Garvaghey Centre a few months ago, as close to a professional set up as its get for amateur team.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 672 - 03/07/2022 17:57:29    2429464

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Wishing Cathal Heneghan a speedy recovery after dislocating his kneecap when playing for Glaveys the other night.

Western Gaels v Boyle O'Rourke Cup final and Oran v Fuerty O'Gara Cup final on this weekend should be two good games played in glorious weather conditions a far cry from league competitions finishing up in the cold wet and windy winter weather.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3204 - 07/07/2022 17:57:18    2430376

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Wishing Cathal Heneghan a speedy recovery after dislocating his kneecap when playing for Glaveys the other night.

Western Gaels v Boyle O'Rourke Cup final and Oran v Fuerty O'Gara Cup final on this weekend should be two good games played in glorious weather conditions a far cry from league competitions finishing up in the cold wet and windy winter weather."
Great to see the Leagues played in one continuous period of time and ending in July.
Thanks to the "split season".
Hopefully next year all the Divisions won't be split as a 5 game League is hardly a League at all.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 375 - 08/07/2022 11:15:46    2430436

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Great to see the Leagues played in one continuous period of time and ending in July.
Thanks to the "split season".
Hopefully next year all the Divisions won't be split as a 5 game League is hardly a League at all."
Clubs sat down with the county board and all agreed that the league would be finished before the championship started something that should have been done years ago.

split season has just made things congested for the inter County football and next year will really highlight that and I'll be surprised if that isn't adjusted again in 2024 or 2025.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3204 - 08/07/2022 14:17:33    2430503

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Well done to Roscommon referee Paddy Neilan today. It was a very difficult game to referee and he had many difficult/marginal decisions to make, but I though he got the vast majority of the right. As a neutral watching the match I think you could say that he did not any decision badly wrong. ( Most of the contentious issues were marginal)

Kerry probably just about deserved it on the day.

I think that injury time should not be used to run down the clock when a team has a black card. Cynical play by Comerford before the penalty was taken to run down the clock when obviously he was not injured at that time. He was obviously hurt after the penalty was taken. The GAA have to charge the rule regarding the actual playing time allocated to black cards.

I expect Galway to give Kerry a really good game of it in the All Ireland Final.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 77 - 10/07/2022 18:08:17    2431124

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Well done to Roscommon referee Paddy Neilan today. It was a very difficult game to referee and he had many difficult/marginal decisions to make, but I though he got the vast majority of the right. As a neutral watching the match I think you could say that he did not any decision badly wrong. ( Most of the contentious issues were marginal)

Kerry probably just about deserved it on the day.

I think that injury time should not be used to run down the clock when a team has a black card. Cynical play by Comerford before the penalty was taken to run down the clock when obviously he was not injured at that time. He was obviously hurt after the penalty was taken. The GAA have to charge the rule regarding the actual playing time allocated to black cards.

I expect Galway to give Kerry a really good game of it in the All Ireland Final."
Do you think he got the penalty decision right and do you think he was right not to card Sean O'Shea for the follow up challenge on the goalkeeper..

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1773 - 10/07/2022 18:22:35    2431133

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Well done to Roscommon referee Paddy Neilan today. It was a very difficult game to referee and he had many difficult/marginal decisions to make, but I though he got the vast majority of the right. As a neutral watching the match I think you could say that he did not any decision badly wrong. ( Most of the contentious issues were marginal)

Kerry probably just about deserved it on the day.

I think that injury time should not be used to run down the clock when a team has a black card. Cynical play by Comerford before the penalty was taken to run down the clock when obviously he was not injured at that time. He was obviously hurt after the penalty was taken. The GAA have to charge the rule regarding the actual playing time allocated to black cards.

I expect Galway to give Kerry a really good game of it in the All Ireland Final."
Taught Paddy had an excellent game to be fair. Often disagree with his decision when im playing and hes in charge but credit where its due he didnt put foot wrong today in an extremely pressured game.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 985 - 10/07/2022 18:37:22    2431140

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Congrats Paddy Neilan on a fine game today. I thought his top level career was over after a bit of a disaster in a Tipp game a few years back but he looked very composed and in control today. He got all the big decisions right and even the small ones, which in a tight game were big. The pick up off the ground against Sean Ó'Shea (I think) was an exceptional spot.
Unless the Rossies go an a period of total domination in the next few years he'll be getting the big one soon

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 317 - 10/07/2022 21:52:50    2431219

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Replying To endgame:  "Do you think he got the penalty decision right and do you think he was right not to card Sean O'Shea for the follow up challenge on the goalkeeper.."
Yes he got it right. O'Shea was entitled to go for the ball I thought because it rebounded quite a bit. His manager would have been furious if he didn't.

Penalty should have been a retake though as Comerford was about a foot off his line when ball was kicked. Looked obvious at the time but was actually tight enough looking at the replay

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 317 - 10/07/2022 22:03:06    2431223

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