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Some worrying aspects from the Mayo game. Does not look like we have any game plan at all. It appears all we are hoping for is some moments of brilliance from Diarmuid Murtagh & Enda Smith to get us through games. Mayo really highlighted our weaknesses - they had so much space at times in shooting and in just general possession.

Some very very basic errors (Daire Cregg picking the ball clean off the ground twice, Dolan trying a back heel pass along the endline instead of just picking the ball and recyclying???) - along with some very poor kick passing, and a lot of hit and hope high balls into the full forward line.

When we come up with a team with a style of play and game plan it really looks like we just fade away in games (Tyrone, Dublin, Mayo). I know these are very strong teams and possible All Ireland contenders, but it really isn't good enough to die away in games so poorly.

Can't see anything but defeats against Kerry & Derry so hopefully relegation to Division 2 can maybe get the group going before championship

Rossfan93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 21 - 04/03/2024 11:03:56    2529655

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Hard to have any positive feelings about the years ahead.

And even harder for the years after that.
Tailteann beckons..."
I wouldn't shoot down TC. Meath and Westmeath embraced it with great success. Remember Meath won 3 AI's in the '80's
Who knows what success would brings the boys

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 04/03/2024 11:22:47    2529667

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Replying To Rossfan93:  "Some worrying aspects from the Mayo game. Does not look like we have any game plan at all. It appears all we are hoping for is some moments of brilliance from Diarmuid Murtagh & Enda Smith to get us through games. Mayo really highlighted our weaknesses - they had so much space at times in shooting and in just general possession.

Some very very basic errors (Daire Cregg picking the ball clean off the ground twice, Dolan trying a back heel pass along the endline instead of just picking the ball and recyclying???) - along with some very poor kick passing, and a lot of hit and hope high balls into the full forward line.

When we come up with a team with a style of play and game plan it really looks like we just fade away in games (Tyrone, Dublin, Mayo). I know these are very strong teams and possible All Ireland contenders, but it really isn't good enough to die away in games so poorly.

Can't see anything but defeats against Kerry & Derry so hopefully relegation to Division 2 can maybe get the group going before championship"
It would be nice to see a bit of progression too, it comes in spurts but lacking consistency. When you think Derry were Div 4 about 4 years ago! Dublin are AI champions but Mayo and Tyrone are teams in transition to a degree and not the same beasts they were 3-4 years ago. But as other posters have said, we should reserve judgement for championship. Maybe I'm fierce naive but I think if they work on things over the next two weeks we could get something out of the Kerry game.

I think R Dolan would have won a free had he went down on it. But look two players that are young and still learning their trade at this level. That's why Div 1 is so important. You learn and develop the hard way both from a skills and physical persepctive and also match cuteness. No disrespect to them as we could well be there next year, but you just don't get that playing Fermangh, Louth etc.

It was a disappointing weekend and even if we get relegated there have been a few positives from the league so far. The discovery of Higgins and Fitzpatrick. The upward progression of a number of young lads from last year especially Conor Carroll. Some brilliant score taking from D Murtagh when he gets into a game. E Smith bringing his form from last year into 2024. And the return of O'Rourke, Harney and R Daly.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 773 - 04/03/2024 12:04:39    2529683

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Replying To Jack L:  "I wouldn't shoot down TC. Meath and Westmeath embraced it with great success. Remember Meath won 3 AI's in the '80's
Who knows what success would brings the boys"
Great success? for one Div 2 teams shouldn't be allowed in TC IMO. Meath are a middle of the road Div 2 team, Westmeath should gain promotion and might also become a middle of the road Div 2. If Roscommon don't pull the finger out quickly they'll find themselves in the same place as Meath,Westmeath.

Back to basics what was working well last year is Roscommon need to do in the remaining league games and upcoming championship.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3338 - 04/03/2024 16:49:03    2529781

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Great success? for one Div 2 teams shouldn't be allowed in TC IMO. Meath are a middle of the road Div 2 team, Westmeath should gain promotion and might also become a middle of the road Div 2. If Roscommon don't pull the finger out quickly they'll find themselves in the same place as Meath,Westmeath.

Back to basics what was working well last year is Roscommon need to do in the remaining league games and upcoming championship."
That's exactly it but we seem to have given up on serious defending and replaced it with a wide open defending policy and no attacking plan that can be seen, other than Enda's bursts .

Or is it all a cunning plan to take out the Rhubarbs in April?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1404 - 04/03/2024 18:56:32    2529809

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "It would be nice to see a bit of progression too, it comes in spurts but lacking consistency. When you think Derry were Div 4 about 4 years ago! Dublin are AI champions but Mayo and Tyrone are teams in transition to a degree and not the same beasts they were 3-4 years ago. But as other posters have said, we should reserve judgement for championship. Maybe I'm fierce naive but I think if they work on things over the next two weeks we could get something out of the Kerry game.

I think R Dolan would have won a free had he went down on it. But look two players that are young and still learning their trade at this level. That's why Div 1 is so important. You learn and develop the hard way both from a skills and physical persepctive and also match cuteness. No disrespect to them as we could well be there next year, but you just don't get that playing Fermangh, Louth etc.

It was a disappointing weekend and even if we get relegated there have been a few positives from the league so far. The discovery of Higgins and Fitzpatrick. The upward progression of a number of young lads from last year especially Conor Carroll. Some brilliant score taking from D Murtagh when he gets into a game. E Smith bringing his form from last year into 2024. And the return of O'Rourke, Harney and R Daly."
10 years ago (2014) and while we gained promotion that year it wasn't certain that we would in early March. Since then it's been Div two championship or Div 1 football.

1/5 on to get relegated now those odds speak from themselves but if we are to stay up we'll have to pull a win out of the bag somewhere. Monaghan are a good example over the years to what happen when it looked lost for them suffering similar performances and defeats but on the last day won against Mayo,Galway and Dublin twice to stay up.

If the worst happens and we are relegated it will have to be taken on the chin, Mayo in 2020, Dublin 2022 and even Armagh last year fell through the trap door. As you named them already there has been positives and we have given a run out to 32 players in the five league games with only three have played every minute of action.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3744 - 04/03/2024 20:43:59    2529831

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I think this is the beginning of the end for roscommon. Anyway you can take back andy moran next year..

harleys (Leitrim) - Posts: 306 - 04/03/2024 21:05:52    2529837

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Replying To harleys:  "I think this is the beginning of the end for roscommon. Anyway you can take back andy moran next year.."
How's the Laytrum project going bud? Still in the dark zone of Division 4. Watch the step v Laois the weekend. Keep your lip closed until you've some light shining through up there.

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1078 - 05/03/2024 12:29:48    2529915

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Why isn't Pearce Frost in the panel this year he was the best defender along with stack this year. Also Sennan lambe brought in this year and heard he's not allowed play u20s?

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1047 - 05/03/2024 13:37:00    2529925

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Ye will have to build a see-saw beside Casey's lads ye go up and down so much!

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 377 - 05/03/2024 14:23:25    2529934

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Replying To dave1988:  "Why isn't Pearce Frost in the panel this year he was the best defender along with stack this year. Also Sennan lambe brought in this year and heard he's not allowed play u20s?"
Pearse Frost I believe was asked in but declined due to injury. Was told Senan Lambe played for U20s in a challenge.

Mods do your job and remove that wum hopballref (Galway) from this thread.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3744 - 05/03/2024 15:59:41    2529951

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Slightly premature but we're fast approaching 2025 and the quarter mark of this century. Started thinking of the best Ros 15 over that time period. After getting off to a great start to the 21st century we had some lean years and very low times after the early 2000's but we've made great strides over the past ten years. As it stands I think I'd have Curran, J Whyte, Seanie Mc, B Stack, D Casey, F Grehan, N Daly, F O'Donnell, K Mannion, S Lohan, E Smith, C Murtagh, G Cox, F Dolan, C Cregg.

Some who'd also be in with a shout would be Dineen, Ger Heneghan, Devaney, G Lohan, P Domican, D Shine to name a few. A few more might nudge their way in by the end of 2025, Conor Carroll would definitley be close if he keeps going from strength to strength and if Harney could get back his form from a few years ago he could be knocking on the midfield door.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 773 - 08/03/2024 13:39:17    2530315

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Slightly premature but we're fast approaching 2025 and the quarter mark of this century. Started thinking of the best Ros 15 over that time period. After getting off to a great start to the 21st century we had some lean years and very low times after the early 2000's but we've made great strides over the past ten years. As it stands I think I'd have Curran, J Whyte, Seanie Mc, B Stack, D Casey, F Grehan, N Daly, F O'Donnell, K Mannion, S Lohan, E Smith, C Murtagh, G Cox, F Dolan, C Cregg.

Some who'd also be in with a shout would be Dineen, Ger Heneghan, Devaney, G Lohan, P Domican, D Shine to name a few. A few more might nudge their way in by the end of 2025, Conor Carroll would definitley be close if he keeps going from strength to strength and if Harney could get back his form from a few years ago he could be knocking on the midfield door."
Conor Devaney,Seamus O'Neill,Diarmuid Murtagh would be on my 15. Daire Cregg,Ben O'Carroll both 21 years old with the high potential and both hopefully have successful and injury free careers in the Roscommon jersey.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3744 - 08/03/2024 15:35:53    2530336

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Conor Devaney,Seamus O'Neill,Diarmuid Murtagh would be on my 15. Daire Cregg,Ben O'Carroll both 21 years old with the high potential and both hopefully have successful and injury free careers in the Roscommon jersey."
Great shout on Seamus O'Neill. He was outstanding in 2001. I think he was only 19 at the time, but he was a powerhouse.
He went head-to-head with Kevin Walsh that year and did very well. He was great in the air, as strong a bull and could kick scores too.
I often thought at the time, if he was playing for Galway, Kerry or Meath he'd have gotten the recognition he deserved.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 08/03/2024 16:36:54    2530346

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Slightly premature but we're fast approaching 2025 and the quarter mark of this century. Started thinking of the best Ros 15 over that time period. After getting off to a great start to the 21st century we had some lean years and very low times after the early 2000's but we've made great strides over the past ten years. As it stands I think I'd have Curran, J Whyte, Seanie Mc, B Stack, D Casey, F Grehan, N Daly, F O'Donnell, K Mannion, S Lohan, E Smith, C Murtagh, G Cox, F Dolan, C Cregg.

Some who'd also be in with a shout would be Dineen, Ger Heneghan, Devaney, G Lohan, P Domican, D Shine to name a few. A few more might nudge their way in by the end of 2025, Conor Carroll would definitley be close if he keeps going from strength to strength and if Harney could get back his form from a few years ago he could be knocking on the midfield door."
Hard to argue with the majority of players you have picked. Diarmuid Murtagh has to be included for me. Outstanding minor, under 21 & senior. Given great service to Roscommon over the years.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 495 - 08/03/2024 17:06:56    2530352

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On a pedantic note....this is year 25 of this Century.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1404 - 08/03/2024 17:53:03    2530360

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Hard to argue with the majority of players you have picked. Diarmuid Murtagh has to be included for me. Outstanding minor, under 21 & senior. Given great service to Roscommon over the years."
You're absolutely right, brilliant player but I'd love to see one more great year from him. Like C Carroll if he has another good year he's in.

At Analyser, I actually had Devaney in initially. Like he's there or there abouts, great Ros servant. Very hard to come to a decision on some of the forwards. I was agonising over O'Neill as well.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 773 - 08/03/2024 19:43:40    2530369

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Great shout on Seamus O'Neill. He was outstanding in 2001. I think he was only 19 at the time, but he was a powerhouse.
He went head-to-head with Kevin Walsh that year and did very well. He was great in the air, as strong a bull and could kick scores too.
I often thought at the time, if he was playing for Galway, Kerry or Meath he'd have gotten the recognition he deserved."
First Galway game in 01 was some burst onto the scene for Seamie. We forget the quality we had in the early 2000s, putting it to Galway in both 98 and 01. A good top league team. It's hard to believe how quick it fell apart and how far we fell when it did.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 773 - 08/03/2024 19:50:13    2530370

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "On a pedantic note....this is year 25 of this Century."
The lads need a big year this year so :D

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 773 - 08/03/2024 19:51:08    2530371

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Slightly premature but we're fast approaching 2025 and the quarter mark of this century. Started thinking of the best Ros 15 over that time period. After getting off to a great start to the 21st century we had some lean years and very low times after the early 2000's but we've made great strides over the past ten years. As it stands I think I'd have Curran, J Whyte, Seanie Mc, B Stack, D Casey, F Grehan, N Daly, F O'Donnell, K Mannion, S Lohan, E Smith, C Murtagh, G Cox, F Dolan, C Cregg.

Some who'd also be in with a shout would be Dineen, Ger Heneghan, Devaney, G Lohan, P Domican, D Shine to name a few. A few more might nudge their way in by the end of 2025, Conor Carroll would definitley be close if he keeps going from strength to strength and if Harney could get back his form from a few years ago he could be knocking on the midfield door."
Conor Carroll, David Murray, Brian Stack, David Casey, Niall Carty, Francie Grehan, Conor Devaney, Seamus O' Neill and Karol Mannion, Enda Smith, Ciaran Murtagh, , Cathal Cregg, Stephen Lohan, Donie Shine and Frankie Dolan.

Subs Enon Gavin, Gerry Lohan, _Seanie Mac, Fergal O' Donnell, Donie Smith, John Hanly , Gary Cox and Diarmuid Murtagh, Paul Noone, Sean Mullolly and Niall Daly.

Ros2013 (Roscommon) - Posts: 517 - 08/03/2024 23:50:40    2530391

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