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Very negative vibe here after the weekend! Yes we are in a bad position in league but IF we win on Sunday and results go our way we could be 4th Sunday evening! I know we have tough fixtures remaining but it's still not impossible. If we lose Sunday then it's all over for us in Division 1. We need a big crowd Sunday in the Hyde, now is the time to get behind the lads that are there and give them our support. One win could change the momentum entirely for this group.
D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 146 - 19/02/2024 16:37:25
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Interesting analysis on The Sunday Game about the Roscommon set up - we scored from 7 attacks when we did turn over and break but realistically, that will not be enough coming up against Mayo or Galway in the Connaught Championship. Enda Smith showed glimpses of quality with some of his trademark scores while Daire Cregg played well considering he had a game midweek.
Does the League matter too much now in reality? Its great to be up there in Division 1 but just clinging onto 6th place can't be great for morale either. Dublin/Derry were in Division 2 and had good championship runs (I know its Dublin btw, just making a point) and the quality in Division 2 is quite strong even this year. Going by the last 2 years it looks like we go full tilt in the league and look a bit gassed and legless when it comes down to the crunch time of championship.
I'd like to see us play with a bit more freedom against Monaghan considering the forwards we have and firepower (Conor Cox, Diarmuid, Daire Cregg, Enda, O'Carroll) but I dont see it happening - realistically wel see a slow game, men behind the ball and try and grind out the 2 points against Monaghan and hope for a point against either Derry or Kerry.
Rossfan93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 22 - 19/02/2024 16:44:27
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "How many times in the first hslf did O'Callaghan knock Stack to the ground before the ball came in?
Not a card in sight." A lot and Dublins got away with a lot of fouling all night and numerous steps ignored.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3757 - 19/02/2024 16:57:28
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Replying To Rossfan93: "Interesting analysis on The Sunday Game about the Roscommon set up - we scored from 7 attacks when we did turn over and break but realistically, that will not be enough coming up against Mayo or Galway in the Connaught Championship. Enda Smith showed glimpses of quality with some of his trademark scores while Daire Cregg played well considering he had a game midweek.
Does the League matter too much now in reality? Its great to be up there in Division 1 but just clinging onto 6th place can't be great for morale either. Dublin/Derry were in Division 2 and had good championship runs (I know its Dublin btw, just making a point) and the quality in Division 2 is quite strong even this year. Going by the last 2 years it looks like we go full tilt in the league and look a bit gassed and legless when it comes down to the crunch time of championship.
I'd like to see us play with a bit more freedom against Monaghan considering the forwards we have and firepower (Conor Cox, Diarmuid, Daire Cregg, Enda, O'Carroll) but I dont see it happening - realistically wel see a slow game, men behind the ball and try and grind out the 2 points against Monaghan and hope for a point against either Derry or Kerry." If you can score from each attack it won't be a bad trait to have for the Connacht championship. Roscommon for whatever reason aren't defending as well as they did in the opening 3 league games last year. Dublin was allowed in far too easy last Saturday the same Dublin that scored just 0-14 against Mayo the week before as Mayo defended properly against them.
clinging onto 6th place has done Monaghan no harm over the last decade and it will do more for Roscommon's morale by staying up.
Monaghan will have targeted this match in Hyde park for points since the fixtures came out and expect a real dogfight affair with the match decided on fine margins.
Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 96 - 19/02/2024 17:40:39
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Not sure what has happended defensively with Roscommon, initially I thought the loss of McHugh but then we did ship big enough scores to Kildare and Cork last year. And surely to God the key to a good defensive system wasn't some magic formula written on a secret notebook which went with McHugh with no one else knowing what it contained.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 19/02/2024 18:43:57
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We have no settled midfield at the moment, last Saturday it was to experiment with the Cunnane,Fallon pairing for the first time. Fallon for one would have been better served by playing him in the half back line and hopefully he's moved back there against Monaghan. Cathal Cregg a few weeks ago was talking about the good players that opted out and he reckoned Conor Daly would be the biggest loss and was one of our most underrated players. Brian Stack hasn't looked himself since picking up that injury against Mohill in the Connacht club championship and probably needed a rest that playing through that injury. I thought Niall Daly experience was missed on Saturday and Hussey was clearly rusty after just coming back from injury.
Having watched the game back a 2nd time and while it was a very poor defensive display two defenders Niall Higgins,David Murray had good games. On another note Had Enda Smith played against Tyrone we would be on 3 points right now, a bit silly his suspension in the championship was carried into the first league game.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3757 - 19/02/2024 21:08:10
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Replying To The_analyser: "We have no settled midfield at the moment, last Saturday it was to experiment with the Cunnane,Fallon pairing for the first time. Fallon for one would have been better served by playing him in the half back line and hopefully he's moved back there against Monaghan. Cathal Cregg a few weeks ago was talking about the good players that opted out and he reckoned Conor Daly would be the biggest loss and was one of our most underrated players. Brian Stack hasn't looked himself since picking up that injury against Mohill in the Connacht club championship and probably needed a rest that playing through that injury. I thought Niall Daly experience was missed on Saturday and Hussey was clearly rusty after just coming back from injury.
Having watched the game back a 2nd time and while it was a very poor defensive display two defenders Niall Higgins,David Murray had good games. On another note Had Enda Smith played against Tyrone we would be on 3 points right now, a bit silly his suspension in the championship was carried into the first league game." We couldn't hit a barn door in Omagh so I doubt we'd have won even with Enda playing. Galway went up there yesterday and won minus Shane Walsh, Cillian McDaid and Damien Comer and with Sean Kelly coming on from the bench. Tyrone are very ordinary at the moment. Monaghan have lost a number of established players so Roscommon need to be beating them in The Hyde on Sunday and take it forward from there. We might get something from Mayo, Kerry or Derry and just about stay up. All not lost yet but Roscommon need to up their game and Davy Burke well knows that 65 training sessions later.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 19/02/2024 22:23:22
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Replying To The_analyser: "We have no settled midfield at the moment, last Saturday it was to experiment with the Cunnane,Fallon pairing for the first time. Fallon for one would have been better served by playing him in the half back line and hopefully he's moved back there against Monaghan. Cathal Cregg a few weeks ago was talking about the good players that opted out and he reckoned Conor Daly would be the biggest loss and was one of our most underrated players. Brian Stack hasn't looked himself since picking up that injury against Mohill in the Connacht club championship and probably needed a rest that playing through that injury. I thought Niall Daly experience was missed on Saturday and Hussey was clearly rusty after just coming back from injury.
Having watched the game back a 2nd time and while it was a very poor defensive display two defenders Niall Higgins,David Murray had good games. On another note Had Enda Smith played against Tyrone we would be on 3 points right now, a bit silly his suspension in the championship was carried into the first league game." Fallon has the makings of a good strong half back that's able to get scores. Unfortunately we've struggled to get a settled midfield for a while now, just when we thought Harney was a good fit there he took a year out the following year and then TOR and Nolan were injured last year at different stages. We seem to have a new midfield every game so far this league.
We could do with Niall Daly for the Monghan game as you say with that bit of experience, it'll be needed. Hopefully no rash sendings off either. This game could be a hard slog.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 19/02/2024 22:34:54
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Replying To endgame: "We couldn't hit a barn door in Omagh so I doubt we'd have won even with Enda playing. Galway went up there yesterday and won minus Shane Walsh, Cillian McDaid and Damien Comer and with Sean Kelly coming on from the bench. Tyrone are very ordinary at the moment. Monaghan have lost a number of established players so Roscommon need to be beating them in The Hyde on Sunday and take it forward from there. We might get something from Mayo, Kerry or Derry and just about stay up. All not lost yet but Roscommon need to up their game and Davy Burke well knows that 65 training sessions later." Galway won in Omagh scoring 1-10 which I believe was less than Roscommon scored against Omagh and also had a perfectly good goal disallowed. No doubt with Enda Smith in the side more would be created and scored.
Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 96 - 20/02/2024 02:07:05
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Replying To endgame: "We couldn't hit a barn door in Omagh so I doubt we'd have won even with Enda playing. Galway went up there yesterday and won minus Shane Walsh, Cillian McDaid and Damien Comer and with Sean Kelly coming on from the bench. Tyrone are very ordinary at the moment. Monaghan have lost a number of established players so Roscommon need to be beating them in The Hyde on Sunday and take it forward from there. We might get something from Mayo, Kerry or Derry and just about stay up. All not lost yet but Roscommon need to up their game and Davy Burke well knows that 65 training sessions later." I could have named a lot more than just Enda Smith that was missing but I mentioned him because he couldn't play due red card in another competition and in the past he'd be ruled out of the first championship game instead of the opener in the league. Only have to think back to last year's match against Tyrone where Enda Smith only played 25 minutes yet without his impact off the bench we would not have beaten Tyrone that day.
Both ourselves and Monaghan have lost a number of established players. They already have one big win under their belt by claiming the two points against Dublin in Croke Park and two heavy defeats followed, would we have fare much better against Kerry,Derry? looking at the way we defended against Dublin,Tyrone probably not.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3757 - 20/02/2024 08:05:08
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Replying To The_analyser: "I could have named a lot more than just Enda Smith that was missing but I mentioned him because he couldn't play due red card in another competition and in the past he'd be ruled out of the first championship game instead of the opener in the league. Only have to think back to last year's match against Tyrone where Enda Smith only played 25 minutes yet without his impact off the bench we would not have beaten Tyrone that day.
Both ourselves and Monaghan have lost a number of established players. They already have one big win under their belt by claiming the two points against Dublin in Croke Park and two heavy defeats followed, would we have fare much better against Kerry,Derry? looking at the way we defended against Dublin,Tyrone probably not." So far this year we look like a team that hasn't ever played together.. I couldn't believe how easily Dublin knocked us around on Saturday night. I watched it back in full last night and it was worse on TV. Davy needs to calm down a bit to when talking to national media as well. Listening to people talk about him saying we have had 65 sessions and never everyone available is pure daft. We had lads in club all Ireland final lads injured and lads playing college football so that was going to happen. If we don't win Sunday and it's another poor performance where players look slow and tired then he will feel a bit of pressure. As paddy Andrews said we looked like a team on Saturday night that had 65 sessions this year with how flat we were
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Replying To dave1988: "So far this year we look like a team that hasn't ever played together.. I couldn't believe how easily Dublin knocked us around on Saturday night. I watched it back in full last night and it was worse on TV. Davy needs to calm down a bit to when talking to national media as well. Listening to people talk about him saying we have had 65 sessions and never everyone available is pure daft. We had lads in club all Ireland final lads injured and lads playing college football so that was going to happen. If we don't win Sunday and it's another poor performance where players look slow and tired then he will feel a bit of pressure. As paddy Andrews said we looked like a team on Saturday night that had 65 sessions this year with how flat we were" Will we be flying in May/June , the opposite to last year?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1419 - 20/02/2024 12:59:49
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Replying To dave1988: "So far this year we look like a team that hasn't ever played together.. I couldn't believe how easily Dublin knocked us around on Saturday night. I watched it back in full last night and it was worse on TV. Davy needs to calm down a bit to when talking to national media as well. Listening to people talk about him saying we have had 65 sessions and never everyone available is pure daft. We had lads in club all Ireland final lads injured and lads playing college football so that was going to happen. If we don't win Sunday and it's another poor performance where players look slow and tired then he will feel a bit of pressure. As paddy Andrews said we looked like a team on Saturday night that had 65 sessions this year with how flat we were" that was going to happen indeed and I believe that was his main point that for all the sessions we didn't have a full collective panel together yet and and should improve when we do but he made a pigs ear out of what he was trying to say and click bait media outlets such as Colin Parkinson, Balls.ie,Joe.ie etc had a field day. At least RTE podcast and James Horan on Irish Examiner called it right.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3757 - 20/02/2024 13:49:26
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Replying To The_analyser: "that was going to happen indeed and I believe that was his main point that for all the sessions we didn't have a full collective panel together yet and and should improve when we do but he made a pigs ear out of what he was trying to say and click bait media outlets such as Colin Parkinson, Balls.ie,Joe.ie etc had a field day. At least RTE podcast and James Horan on Irish Examiner called it right." Does anyone take that lad seriously? Not sure how that podcast keeps people paying.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 20/02/2024 15:11:44
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Just saw on the Herald that Harney, O'Rourke and Ronan Daly could be available for this weekend. Huge positive if so.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 20/02/2024 15:17:15
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Replying To The_analyser: "that was going to happen indeed and I believe that was his main point that for all the sessions we didn't have a full collective panel together yet and and should improve when we do but he made a pigs ear out of what he was trying to say and click bait media outlets such as Colin Parkinson, Balls.ie,Joe.ie etc had a field day. At least RTE podcast and James Horan on Irish Examiner called it right." Yeah but why even mention a number of sessions? From a neutral it looks like he is trying to say he is putting an unbelievable amount of time in but he doesn't have players available. And just to point out Davy Burke is one of the pundits on the RTE podcast. He was last year anyway so they are not going to be too hard on him.
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Does anyone take that lad seriously? Not sure how that podcast keeps people paying." Each to their own but I'd have to be paid to listen to Parkinson.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3347 - 20/02/2024 16:03:10
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Yeah but why even mention a number of sessions? From a neutral it looks like he is trying to say he is putting an unbelievable amount of time in but he doesn't have players available. And just to point out Davy Burke is one of the pundits on the RTE podcast. He was last year anyway so they are not going to be too hard on him." I listened to it a good bit last year and never heard Davy Burke as one of the pundits. Fitzmaurice, Canavan, McGinley, Whelan, Keegan and McStay were the main one's but McStay probably hasn't done it since he took over Mayo. Davy did an end of season interview with someone but I don't think it was the RTE podcast?
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 20/02/2024 16:09:11
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "I listened to it a good bit last year and never heard Davy Burke as one of the pundits. Fitzmaurice, Canavan, McGinley, Whelan, Keegan and McStay were the main one's but McStay probably hasn't done it since he took over Mayo. Davy did an end of season interview with someone but I don't think it was the RTE podcast?" Definitely did 2 shows i heard. Not knocking him for being a pundit just saying they won't be over critical.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7896 - 20/02/2024 16:38:06
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Watched the Dublin v Roscommon game on TV last night. My main observations were as follows:
* Dublin have improved substantially since their game against Monaghan. (Fitness and teamwork)
* Roscommon also improved and created several goal chances that they did not do in our previous games.
* Some of the younger players have really put their hands up for championship inclusion. Fallon, Cregg and Higgins are all serious athletes.
* Kickout strategy did not work great this week and a couple of wrong options were taken. However the midfield and defence are certainly areas that needs to be worked on.
* Our point shooting was excellent. (D. Murtagh, E. Smith, D. Cregg). Dublin's was relatively poor.
* The communication between the players on the pitch is not as obvious as last year. Remember Conor Daly and several others barking out regular advice/instructions in both defence and attack on a regular basis last year.
* As turnover ball is critical in the modern game I hope that whoever is doing video analysis for us is picking out opposition players in order to target. (Not comfortable on the ball, poor solo technique, not protecting the ball properly, very one footed, inability to turn fast in tight situations, limited physical strength etc). Dublin and other top teams do it. I am not convinced we do it enough.
* Daire Cregg had to conserve his energy (tracking back) after his exertions on Wednesday night. Should be somewhat fresher this weekend. He has outstanding potential and center forward could well be his position.
* Would not read too much into the Davy Burke interview. He was obviously annoyed immediately after the match, that for the second match in three weeks we had a perfectly good goal disallowed. I would suggest that several of the lads who were playing club and Sigerson are also final year students in University and under major pressure; travelling, training, studying, doing assessments etc. (Same applies for most counties) For a player to perform, they have to be physically/emotionally/mentally right and be able to deal effectively with multiple high stressors in their young lives. A little reasonable flexibility (different strokes for different folks) may be required in order to have them right for the championship. Not easy I know, when you are being judged on the next match?
After this weekends matches, the remaining fixtures for Roscommon and Monaghan are:
Roscommon: Mayo (a), Kerry (h), Derry (a)
Monaghan: Galway (h), Tyrone(a), Mayo (h)
You would have to think that Monaghan have the easier remaining fixtures which means that next Sunday is a must-win match. I think we are improving and with Donie and maybe one or two others back, we can certainly get the win this Sunday.
Hopefully a large Roscommon support will come out to support the team. Now is when the team and management need it!
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 20/02/2024 17:31:21
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