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Its a great solution.It allows smaller clubs with a good team a chance to win a title and still gives second club teams a competition.
Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 553 - 11/09/2025 09:09:02 2635680 Link 1 |
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Premier Junior is a calamity.......for example Abbeyknockmoy win it next year get promoted to Intermediate. Rahoon-Newcastle get relegated to Premier Junior from Intermediate next year. Following year Rahoon-Newcastle win Premier Junior and get promoted to Intermediate. Then Killimor get relegated from Intermediate to Premier Junior. Point is whoever gets relegated from Intermediate is too strong for those Premier Junior Clubs and it will be a sea-saw effect. The current 9 Premier Junior Clubs excluding Abbeyknockmoy would be eaten alive up in Intermediate. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2718 - 11/09/2025 12:14:25 2635701 Link 1 |
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Can you name any Galway Club who won the Junior A All Ireland?
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2718 - 11/09/2025 12:16:08 2635703 Link 1 |
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Hardly calamitous, and not that unusual in sports worldwide you'd imagine. Teams often find themselves in the see-saw level between leagues and grades. The last 6 teams promoted to the English Premier League have gone straight back down, for example.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4407 - 11/09/2025 13:58:07 2635723 Link 1 |
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No I don't think it was ever won by a Galway Club. Sylane, Annaghdown, Ballygar and Breathnachs all made the semi-final stages through out the years. The new structure will only improve the All-Ireland series for clubs at Junior and Intermediate level.
TheBuckfastBadger (Galway) - Posts: 10 - 11/09/2025 14:03:07 2635725 Link 1 |
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Askamores second team won Junior B here last year and then won Leinster, before being knocked out by Kildimo-Pallaskenry in the AI series. Second teams can't go on to represent the county at Intermediate or Junior though. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17052 - 11/09/2025 15:55:33 2635743 Link 1 |
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Answer is ZERO, not only have they not won the Junior A All Ireland they haven't even appeared in a Final! Some Clubs 2nd team especially the aforementioned Junior B team are exceptionally equipped to represent Galway with destination,skill and honor and actually win the Junior All Ireland! But then again with this new Premier Junior Championship there will always be atleast one decent team to represent Galway at the All Ireland Junior Championship, only because of a team getting relegated from Intermediate who would make a better fist of it than those other 9 Premier Junior teams! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2718 - 11/09/2025 16:13:13 2635749 Link 1 |
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Regarding junior club all irelands of the 22 finals played to date kilkenny clubs have won 12 and Cork 6 both counties have way less senior and intermediate clubs than galway so a galway junior club could no 37 playing a club ranked 20 in kilkenny so don't have a hope often u see kilkenny junior clubs with kilkenny senior players wouldn't happen in galway
minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 11/09/2025 17:39:55 2635755 Link 1 |
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So what if they dont win All Irelands.They won their county title which for some small junior clubs is an achievement in itself.This is what a small club is about.You want a big already successful club to take this away from that small club because they can go on to win an All Ireland.When was it that winning a club All Ireland at any grade became the be all and end all of anything?
Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 553 - 12/09/2025 08:19:51 2635792 Link 1 |
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Exactly it would actually be Galway's 42nd ranked team, Tullogher-Rosbercon won it 2 years ago with Walter Walsh playing.
TheBuckfastBadger (Galway) - Posts: 10 - 12/09/2025 10:52:46 2635814 Link 1 |
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As was mentioned, that was tournament started by a club in Limerick. I notice you left your beloved Sarsfields off the list of Galway winners. They won it a couple of years ago. An honest oversight, I'm sure. I'm referring to the Junior and Intermediate club All-Irelands started by the GAA. They don't allow second teams to represent any counties in the provincial or All-Ireland series. On your point about our hand being weakened at All-Ireland Junior level, because second teams couldn't represent us at Junior A. It wouldn't make much of a difference. The main cause has actually been our bloated Senior championship, meaning our Intermediate and Junior winners are much lower ranked than some other counties. We haven't done much at Intermediate All-Ireland level either, often losing to Tooreen in Connacht, never mind an All-Ireland. Only Oranmore have won a title for Galway at that level. Kilkenny have only 12 senior and 12 intermediate teams. They've dominated at both Intermediate and Junior at All-Ireland level as a result. You've also ignored that a number of first teams have won Junior A in the past decade or so, Skehana-M/M, Ballygar, Sylane, An Spidéal and Annaghdown. The new structure next year cleans up the bloated Senior championship. Ignore the Premier in the names, we'll have a 16 team Senior championship, a 16 team Intermediate championship and 10 team Junior championship made up of first teams. There will then be a championship for the best 12 second teams, which will be fed into from the Junior levels below. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2526 - 12/09/2025 11:56:21 2635835 Link 1 |
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As I mentioned, our record at All-Ireland intermediate is almost as bad, and they were all first teams representing us. The issue was there were 24 senior teams, so we were sending our 25th best team forward, versus Killkenny's 13th. This also filtered down to Junior, where the difference is even greater as we have more intermediate temas than Kilkenny for example. This was a far bigger reason, than first teams representing us in Junior, bearing in mind that some of those first teams actually won the Junior A championship. Next year's structure will improve things greatly in relation to the issue above. Your point about the quality of Junior to Intermediate is pretty much the same with most competitions. You'll have teams who are too good for one competition, but will struggle at the level above for a number of years. Hence the yo-yo effect. Roscommon in the football league are a good example in recent years. But guess what, some teams improve over time and others regress. Skehana-M/M are getting very competitive at underage and seem to be a club on the up. There will be others and I think the new structure will only help to give teams more incentive. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2526 - 12/09/2025 12:06:34 2635836 Link 1 |
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They can fire away with this Mickley Mouse Premier Junior Championship and We'll see what success it brings! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2718 - 12/09/2025 15:48:38 2635893 Link 1 |
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From what I understand, Intermediate won't have B teams next year. Senior 16, Inter 16 (all first teams), Junior 10 (all first teams). The Reeves Cup will have the top-12 B teams. While both Intermediate and Junior have Premier in their name, it doesn't matter. They're Intermediate and Junior, and form the 2nd and 3rd tiers. Below Reeves Cup are the usual Junior A, B, C etc. These are the 2nd, 3rd, 4th teams of clubs (except for Tuam hurling in Junior F) so they will feed up to the Reeves Cup. If Tuam or any new hurling club ever get up the grades to Junior A and win that out, then they would have to look at getting them into the Premier Junior, with the other first teams. That's unlikely to happen for a long time though. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2526 - 12/09/2025 15:58:45 2635894 Link 1 |
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The success is in hopefully growing and stimulating hurling in more parts of the county. Players on 2nd teams in their own clubs can always aspire to play for their club's 1st team. The motion was passed by 2/3 of the hurling clubs in Galway earlier this year, so it wasn't just the Junior clubs that were in favour of it. Your attitude reminds me an awful lot of one I come across on occasion when clubs from non-hurling strongholds are playing those in traditional areas. The usual stick to football nonsense. Mad how people think trying to promote hurling in more parts of the county is a bad thing. It's a tough job as it is without the condescending attitude. There are many top footballers who were brilliant hurlers underage. Combined regional and schools teams are another option to get lads playing at a higher level and hopefully help them stick with it. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2526 - 12/09/2025 16:10:51 2635899 Link 1 |
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Fair play to those 5 Clubs for winning the Junior A, but Sylane, An Spidéal and Annaghdown are stuck in Premier Junior scratching their backside for the long foreseeable future. When Skehana M/M and Ballygar meet the big guns from Senior B next year it will be different ball game! Off the top of my head if these 4 teams are kept separate in the new 4 team Intermediate groups I'd expect Skehana M/M,Ballygar, Rahoon-Newcastle and Killimor to be in a relegation dogfight! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2718 - 12/09/2025 17:01:13 2635901 Link 1 |
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What club are you katser as a matter of interest?
Tubeyou (Galway) - Posts: 25 - 12/09/2025 17:43:50 2635911 Link 1 |
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You'll see him crying about it You won't see him proposing solutions though I think the CB have done as much as could be expected and Intermediate ought to be a great competition next year As should Senior and Junior A. Isn't that ultimately what we want? Good competitions, competitive matches? Nobody is really that invested in winning Junior or Intermediate All Irelands. Winning the county championship and getting promoted as a result is good enough and anything else is bonus country. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 959 - 13/09/2025 10:03:56 2635951 Link 1 |
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katser (Galway) - Posts: 2718 - 13/09/2025 10:39:43 2635955 Link 1 |
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It looks like We are going to have a situation where if your Clubs 2nd team wins the Reeves Cup they have reached their celling and can't get promoted or go upto the next level! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2718 - 13/09/2025 15:28:18 2636002 Link 1 |