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Replying To BigBàsMan:  "Post the 15 you'd like to see start the first league match for Galway in 2025...."
1. Fahy
2. Grealish
3. Fintan
4. K Hanrahan
5. M. Garvey
6. S Cooney
7. S Morgan
8. T Killeen
9. C Mannion
10. C Fahy
11. G. Thomas
12. T. Monaghan
13. L Collins
14. B Concannon
15. A Burns

TanCanRan (Galway) - Posts: 209 - 19/11/2024 08:23:36    2580243

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "1. Fahy
2. Grealish
3. Fintan
4. K Hanrahan
5. M. Garvey
6. S Cooney
7. S Morgan
8. T Killeen
9. C Mannion
10. C Fahy
11. G. Thomas
12. T. Monaghan
13. L Collins
14. B Concannon
15. A Burns"
Strong spine to that team.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 19/11/2024 09:23:22    2580252

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Replying To BigBàsMan:  "Post the 15 you'd like to see start the first league match for Galway in 2025...."
Eanna Murphy

Hanrahan
Daithi Burke
Grealish

Shane Morgan
Shane Cooney
Cillian Whelan

Ronan Murphy
Alex Connaire

Greg Thomas
Cianan Fahy
Gavin Lee

Kevin Cooney
Brian Concannon
Liam Collins

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 793 - 19/11/2024 10:35:17    2580268

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Thomastown was knocked out by a WESTMEATH team. Makes me glad I'm not a betting man. lol."
Yeah, remarkable to win KK final by 11, and then lose the next day by 11. Perhaps they celebrated too well, and lost edge. Perhaps they're not great too, of course.

It will be interesting to see how competitive Castletown-Geoghegan are in the semi, and final if they progress.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 19/11/2024 13:02:44    2580299

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "1. Fahy
2. Grealish
3. Fintan
4. K Hanrahan
5. M. Garvey
6. S Cooney
7. S Morgan
8. T Killeen
9. C Mannion
10. C Fahy
11. G. Thomas
12. T. Monaghan
13. L Collins
14. B Concannon
15. A Burns"
Great to see new ideas and a variety of players mentioned

BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 21 - 19/11/2024 13:15:39    2580302

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Replying To galway19:  "Eanna Murphy

Hanrahan
Daithi Burke
Grealish

Shane Morgan
Shane Cooney
Cillian Whelan

Ronan Murphy
Alex Connaire

Greg Thomas
Cianan Fahy
Gavin Lee

Kevin Cooney
Brian Concannon
Liam Collins"
I would have tiernan killeen no 11 ahead of cianan fahy. I personally don't rate connaire but everyone entitled to their opinions and good to have discussion

BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 21 - 19/11/2024 13:17:33    2580303

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Replying To BigBàsMan:  "I would have tiernan killeen no 11 ahead of cianan fahy. I personally don't rate connaire but everyone entitled to their opinions and good to have discussion"
I'd agree. Connaire really struggled this year and seems to have regressed.

TanCanRan (Galway) - Posts: 209 - 19/11/2024 13:58:40    2580312

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Replying To BigBàsMan:  "I would have tiernan killeen no 11 ahead of cianan fahy. I personally don't rate connaire but everyone entitled to their opinions and good to have discussion"
I'd have it the opposite way around with Killeen and Connaire. Connaire hasn't had a chance at county level but done well in Fitzgibbon. He was playing in a pretty dysfunctional Sarsfields team compared to the way Loughrea were flowing. Killeen gets on a lot of ball but I wouldn't be a fan of his end product. Flatters to deceive for me.

Cianan may well end up back in the half back line but there are more options there than in the half forward line.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 793 - 19/11/2024 14:59:42    2580322

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Replying To Viking66:  "The top teams in most counties are all pretty good. The weaker counties are mostly weaker because they've less top teams, not worse top teams."
Good shout Thomastown arrived up and slept walked into it. CTG went toe to toe with them they were value for the win even if Farrell hadn't been sent off. After watching o loughlins and bennetsbridge semi in kk the standard of ball handling was desperate for kk hurling I gave CTG a great chance. Thomastown making the jump to senior and winning KK probably lulled them against CTG. They'd have seen Ballyhale trim them by 25yrs 2yrs ago and thought they'd do the same. They underestimated and were complacent without even realising it. Nothing simple in All Ireland club championship look at Mount Leinster rangers getting to the final against Portumna 10 years ago. There's no easy games Doon nearly caught Ballygunner cold and I'd they had an extra week they just might have beat them.
Loughrea would want to make sure they don't get caught napping against whoever they meet next.

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 96 - 19/11/2024 16:36:27    2580336

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Replying To galway19:  "I'd have it the opposite way around with Killeen and Connaire. Connaire hasn't had a chance at county level but done well in Fitzgibbon. He was playing in a pretty dysfunctional Sarsfields team compared to the way Loughrea were flowing. Killeen gets on a lot of ball but I wouldn't be a fan of his end product. Flatters to deceive for me.

Cianan may well end up back in the half back line but there are more options there than in the half forward line."
Killeen was nuigs best player according to lynskey. He was one loughrea's best player this year. From the eye test for me, conaire doesn't have it. Also just on Liam Collins, he needs to bulk up a bit of he wants to make it at intercounty. Where are your Cappatagle men garveys etc ...they were very very impressive this year

BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 21 - 19/11/2024 19:14:40    2580354

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Replying To BigBàsMan:  "Killeen was nuigs best player according to lynskey. He was one loughrea's best player this year. From the eye test for me, conaire doesn't have it. Also just on Liam Collins, he needs to bulk up a bit of he wants to make it at intercounty. Where are your Cappatagle men garveys etc ...they were very very impressive this year"
I don't think Garvey is good enough to play 6 for Galway and wouldn't have the pace for 5 or 7 so on that basis I wouldn't have him in the team. It's the same with Fintan - if he isn't playing at 3 he can't be at 2 or 4. Not sure anyone else apart from Liam Collins and maybe Niall Collins will get a run from Cappy. They were more a sum of their parts team and let's not forget in the group stage none of these lads would have been mentioned for county at all when Turlough murdered them in Athenry.

Rory Burke is the one that can jump straight from u20 and I assume he will be around the panel for the league anyway. Same with Cillian Trayers and Cillian Whelan.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 793 - 19/11/2024 22:42:54    2580382

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Replying To galway19:  "Eanna Murphy

Hanrahan
Daithi Burke
Grealish

Shane Morgan
Shane Cooney
Cillian Whelan

Ronan Murphy
Alex Connaire

Greg Thomas
Cianan Fahy
Gavin Lee

Kevin Cooney
Brian Concannon
Liam Collins"
Ronan Murphy wasnt called in, also Gmac dropped along with one other player think it could be tuohy, 7 goalkeepers brought in for winter, all current players that were on panel last year are told they wont be dropped until league time, players then brought in are in for a 12 week trial, young garvey from Cappy wont go in and antony burns hasnt gave a straight answer yet, they were back training this evening

Galway456 (Galway) - Posts: 110 - 20/11/2024 00:19:55    2580387

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If we are going by merit, Michael garvey / Shane Morgan were the two best 6s in the club championship this year. Deserve a run at 6

BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 21 - 20/11/2024 09:10:37    2580397

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Good shout Thomastown arrived up and slept walked into it. CTG went toe to toe with them they were value for the win even if Farrell hadn't been sent off. After watching o loughlins and bennetsbridge semi in kk the standard of ball handling was desperate for kk hurling I gave CTG a great chance. Thomastown making the jump to senior and winning KK probably lulled them against CTG. They'd have seen Ballyhale trim them by 25yrs 2yrs ago and thought they'd do the same. They underestimated and were complacent without even realising it. Nothing simple in All Ireland club championship look at Mount Leinster rangers getting to the final against Portumna 10 years ago. There's no easy games Doon nearly caught Ballygunner cold and I'd they had an extra week they just might have beat them.
Loughrea would want to make sure they don't get caught napping against whoever they meet next."
Bottom line is is doesn't matter what county a club side is from as regards how good they are or aren't. MLR were full value for their Leinster title, they beat top sides along the way to it.
Since there were club all irelands counties like Galway and Antrim have done nowhere near as well as their clubs have, while clubs from Limerick and Tipperary haven't done as well as their county sides. Slaughtneil are one of the best club hurling sides in the country the last 5 or 6 years, Cushendall and Dunloy likewise are very competitive. Ballygunner are clear favourites for the AI. Waterford aren't in the top 3 favourites to get out of Munster, Antrim likewise in Leinster. And Derry aren't even in the Liam McCarthy.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 20/11/2024 09:27:10    2580400

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Good shout Thomastown arrived up and slept walked into it. CTG went toe to toe with them they were value for the win even if Farrell hadn't been sent off. After watching o loughlins and bennetsbridge semi in kk the standard of ball handling was desperate for kk hurling I gave CTG a great chance. Thomastown making the jump to senior and winning KK probably lulled them against CTG. They'd have seen Ballyhale trim them by 25yrs 2yrs ago and thought they'd do the same. They underestimated and were complacent without even realising it. Nothing simple in All Ireland club championship look at Mount Leinster rangers getting to the final against Portumna 10 years ago. There's no easy games Doon nearly caught Ballygunner cold and I'd they had an extra week they just might have beat them.
Loughrea would want to make sure they don't get caught napping against whoever they meet next."
Whoever Loughrea play next will be there on merit, and could very well beat Loughrea even if Loughrea play their best game of the year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 20/11/2024 09:28:26    2580401

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Replying To Viking66:  "Bottom line is is doesn't matter what county a club side is from as regards how good they are or aren't. MLR were full value for their Leinster title, they beat top sides along the way to it.
Since there were club all irelands counties like Galway and Antrim have done nowhere near as well as their clubs have, while clubs from Limerick and Tipperary haven't done as well as their county sides. Slaughtneil are one of the best club hurling sides in the country the last 5 or 6 years, Cushendall and Dunloy likewise are very competitive. Ballygunner are clear favourites for the AI. Waterford aren't in the top 3 favourites to get out of Munster, Antrim likewise in Leinster. And Derry aren't even in the Liam McCarthy."
That theory doesn't particularly stack up. For example, it doesn't explain why 2015 finalists Ballyhale were vastly superior to 2014 finalists MLR. Nor would it explain why 2018 finalists Portumna were vastly superior to 2017 finalists Loughrea.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 20/11/2024 10:20:09    2580410

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "That theory doesn't particularly stack up. For example, it doesn't explain why 2015 finalists Ballyhale were vastly superior to 2014 finalists MLR. Nor would it explain why 2018 finalists Portumna were vastly superior to 2017 finalists Loughrea."
The same set of players can play better or worse under different managements with different tactics. Or can work harder to get fitter and stronger over a winter. Or not. Especially with less successful teams you can see a drop off the year following a county or Provincial title. Like the lads say to themselves subconsciously well we achieved what we wanted.
In what way were the 2015 Ballyhale side "vastly superior" to the 2014 MLR side?
Both hammered the Dublin Champions, but MLR had arguably a tougher Leinster final to win, and didn't need ET to win it.
And in any case that's not the point I was making. The point is illustrated by the fact despite Galway clubs being the most successful along with Kilkennys, the 2 counties haven't won similar amounts of AI titles in that time. The point is it's really irrelevant how good a county team is when weighing up how good their club champions are.
If that wasn't the case why are we left with 9 clubs whose counties haven't won an AI title ever in 3 of the clubs cases, and whose counties have waited approx 170 years combined since their last AI win in the case of 5 of the others. Only Loughreas county, your county, has won an AI in around the last 20 years now, and that was only one in 35 odd years either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 20/11/2024 12:08:30    2580428

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Replying To Viking66:  "The same set of players can play better or worse under different managements with different tactics. Or can work harder to get fitter and stronger over a winter. Or not. Especially with less successful teams you can see a drop off the year following a county or Provincial title. Like the lads say to themselves subconsciously well we achieved what we wanted.
In what way were the 2015 Ballyhale side "vastly superior" to the 2014 MLR side?
Both hammered the Dublin Champions, but MLR had arguably a tougher Leinster final to win, and didn't need ET to win it.
And in any case that's not the point I was making. The point is illustrated by the fact despite Galway clubs being the most successful along with Kilkennys, the 2 counties haven't won similar amounts of AI titles in that time. The point is it's really irrelevant how good a county team is when weighing up how good their club champions are.
If that wasn't the case why are we left with 9 clubs whose counties haven't won an AI title ever in 3 of the clubs cases, and whose counties have waited approx 170 years combined since their last AI win in the case of 5 of the others. Only Loughreas county, your county, has won an AI in around the last 20 years now, and that was only one in 35 odd years either."
The bald stats suggest they were vastly superior. Ballyhale won 3 allirelands in 9 seasons up to 2015. MLR won none......ever. Portumna couldn't beat Ballyhale in their 3 in a row quest in 2010, but beat MLR a full 4 seasons later, when Portumna were probably in the final year of their life cycle as a top winning club side.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 20/11/2024 12:57:50    2580433

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Replying To Viking66:  "Whoever Loughrea play next will be there on merit, and could very well beat Loughrea even if Loughrea play their best game of the year."
Very true but I'd imagine of the teams left Ballygunner are probably the favorites.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2260 - 20/11/2024 13:12:54    2580439

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "The bald stats suggest they were vastly superior. Ballyhale won 3 allirelands in 9 seasons up to 2015. MLR won none......ever. Portumna couldn't beat Ballyhale in their 3 in a row quest in 2010, but beat MLR a full 4 seasons later, when Portumna were probably in the final year of their life cycle as a top winning club side."
If Ballyhale were superior in 2013 then why didnt they win Leinster in 2013? MLR were the best club side in Leinster the year they won it insofar as they won it. They also beat Portaferry fairly convincingly in the AISF.

But what's any of that got to do with the disconnect between club and county success? Which was my original point Pope?

An irrelevant fact for you, 2 of the clubs who competed in the 2013 Leinster Championship are in the semi finals this year. One will definitely be in this years final. And they aren't from Kilkenny, Wexford or Dublin.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 20/11/2024 13:21:15    2580441

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