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No real surprises in the u20 squad. Having no players involved in senior squad should help them. Might be short a corner back but the forward line will be very strong with Rory Burke, Conor Dolphin, Colm Burke, Darren Shaughnessy and Aaron Niland. First game against Offaly will give a good guide. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 02/03/2024 15:13:48 2529228 Link 1 |
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Great win for Raphaels. Super score from Cullen Killeen to win it. Those two McCartaigh boys are serious bits of stuff. 0-7 from play for Paddy McCartaigh. They will be up against it against Kierans in the final but they will give it a serious crack. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 02/03/2024 15:31:02 2529231 Link 1 |
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It's a very good squad. Happy to learn Kinvara's Josh O Connor has made it again. He's been very good at centre back for the intermediates and has the size and speed you;d ideally be looking to develop You're right, the forward line is probably the strongest in the country at this level depth wise Kinvara (Galway) - Posts: 128 - 04/03/2024 10:10:38 2529634 Link 1 |
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Best of luck Raphaels in the All Ireland Final..........only 60mins away from equaling the great '95 team who beat a star studded Middleton CBS in that Final!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 04/03/2024 15:36:18 2529752 Link 1 |
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Poor enough squad, good few lads on age not there that playing Senior/Intermediate hurling, , same names from schools and Minor keep getting moved along and their performances don't justify. Looks like they looking at next year and year after and not this year. WesternSeaBoard (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 05/03/2024 19:21:36 2529994 Link 1 |
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Raphaels well deserved it, good players, good tactics and executed them well, thought ASR would run Kierans close, as they are not supposed to be as good as last few years, it's great to get to final and stay through to what got them there.
WesternSeaBoard (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 05/03/2024 20:31:12 2530004 Link 1 |
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They will be probably just behind Cork in terms of being favourites to win the competition. There isn't really anyone jumping out that isn't in the squad that would make a major difference to improve it. All the right lads are there.
galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 05/03/2024 21:39:02 2530009 Link 1 |
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The U20s should only be existing to develop lads for senior hurling, if they win it out then it's just a bonus
Kinvara (Galway) - Posts: 128 - 05/03/2024 21:46:15 2530011 Link 1 |
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It hasn't worked for last 13 years, it's like a old boys club, harder to get taken off than get on. A true testament of Dev squads working is we should find lads who never played at 14,15,16, like academies in uk, lads at 14 are different to when they 18,19,20. We must lose some amount of very good hurlers over years because of relations or dad played with manager and other lads not given a chance.
WesternSeaBoard (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 06/03/2024 11:53:49 2530061 Link 1 |
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Unfortunately not many of the great Raphaels team of '95 won anymore All Irelands where as that star studded Middleton CBS team with the likes of Donal Óg, The "rock" O Sullvian, Joe Dean, Timmy Mccarthy ect ect went on to win multiple All Irelands at u21 and Senior respectively!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 06/03/2024 15:38:03 2530093 Link 1 |
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I like Raphaels, they one of the best teams I have seen play against wind, shows they are smart good hurlers and can adapt.
WesternSeaBoard (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 06/03/2024 16:04:53 2530097 Link 1 |
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Tbf a good few won minor and u21 all Ireland's with galway in 94 and 96 and few league titles but none won the big one (or 3 in the case of some of the Cork lads) Galway schools were very strong then with Gort, Mary's and Raphaels getting to 3 finals in a row, fair strength in depth at schools levels, as well as being incredibly strong at Vocational schools (as well as Cork then) Cork and Galway fairly dominated underage and very strong at schools in both competitions during 90s...not too dissimilar to recent times either. I'd say a lot of Galways lack of success at winning schools all irelands, still amazing record in getting there, is down to having so many strong schools as opposed to one school pulling hurlers from all 4 corners of a county like Kierans in Kilkenny, as probably effected counties like Wexford (especially since Peters stopped boarding) or to lesser degree Tipp in that way. Still 5 or 6 Galway schools have been in all Ireland colleges finals over last 30 years is probably more than any other county and dominating underage over that time period probably shows that whereas Kierans greatest run in terms of all Ireland's is the current one is probably coming at oneof their leanest times at underage (for Kilkenny, still better than a lot of counties) Combined colleges have become more common in Leinster as a result nearly, kierans nearly is a Kilkenny u20 academy and might as well be combined...Kilkenny CBS not bad but nearly just hoping O'Loughlins have good teams cus majority players seem to come from there. Hoping Raphaels win for a change up from Kierans Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 06/03/2024 16:10:49 2530100 Link 1 |
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I have first hand experience of how badly treated some players are by some of the development managers going to training for 5 or 6 weeks to find on the the last weekend you see several lads turn up that haven't been seen before and are automatically picked on the squad while lads training for weeks are let go
minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 223 - 06/03/2024 16:47:57 2530104 Link 2 |
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There is a strong body of historical evidence now, that flies in the face of this comfortable theory of yours. I say comfortable, because you don't care whether u20s win or lose, based on your statement. The fact of the matter is that successful u21s are far more likely to make successful senior players than unsuccessful u20/u21 players. Limerick's current crop just the latest example. Clare before that. KK before that. Cork 97-98 before that. Even Galway 2017 had numerous u21 medalists from 2007 or 2011. Galway '80 had u21 winners from '72 and '78. Galway 87-88 had winning u21s from '83 and '86 on board. The link between senior success and u21 success is far closer historically, than any link between senior success and minor success, and why wouldn't it be, with lads 3 years closer to senior level. Yet, you're talking this tired old waffle about 'development' and 'bonus', and forget the winning.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 06/03/2024 16:48:46 2530105 Link 1 |
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Johnny Glynn back on senior panel. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 06/03/2024 17:09:08 2530108 Link 1 |
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Yes the schools were strong back then and a greater spread of players being picked for Galway underage teams from Our Lady's Collage Gort, St Mary's Collage Galway, St. Raphaels Collage Loughrea, Pres Collage Athenry, Garbally Collage, Portumna CC, Loughrea V.S, Athenry V.S, Gort V.S and Monagessia V.S. That's like 10 schools who all supplied County underage hurlers back in the '90's. Now all the underage hurlers come from basically 3 schools........Pres Collage Athenry, St Raphaels Collage Loughrea and St Brigids "Collage " Loughrea. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 06/03/2024 18:46:54 2530120 Link 1 |
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Fair enough, would've thought Gort would be more on that list than Brigids over last 6/7 years, Gort seemed to be in about 4 or 5 All Ireland quarter finals over last 6 or 7 years, had some close and tough games with Kierans in recent times, imagined they'd have had a fair whack on Galway underage sides. Think Brigids were in a semi final around 2017 time but don't really remember them other than that, think they lost to St Peters in a quarter final a couple of years before that again but hadn't seen them in recent times of notes, maybe they could've been. Just assumed Raphaels and Brigids took turns every few years attracting the better hurlers, which is natural for a country town. Pity if that's the way, think I seen a stat around 2017 time where more members of the all Ireland winning squad went to Gort CS than anywhere.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 06/03/2024 20:18:28 2530127 Link 1 |
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Golden generations happen all the time as you say, that's a completely different point. They won u21 because they were special players, they didn't become special players because they won u21. Total nonsense In most years, and especially now with the bigger age gap, you are trying to develop the players. If they get a taste of success then great, but it should be about getting them used to playing the senior style Luckily enough the county chairman understands what is correct and not yourself, along with Fergal Healy who said as much on a recent podcast! Kinvara (Galway) - Posts: 128 - 06/03/2024 20:31:00 2530129 Link 1 |
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Your correct reference Gort.... I completely forgot "them"! Our Lady's Collage Gort and Gort V.S are along time amalgamated now as Gort CC. Just the one Collage in that town. That's the way it is with Raphaels and Brigids........it difficult to see them both have equally strong teams like when they were the Kingpins of Galway schools hurling. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 06/03/2024 21:17:05 2530137 Link 1 |
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Are you saying they're not winning at u20/u21 because they're not special? But we can make them special with development? Or are we stuck with inherently 'unspecial' senior produce, if they don't look special at u20/u21, or dare I say if they don't look like winners at u20/u21 level? It will be a first for Galway in the 'modern'/post '75 era, if we win a senior all-ireland title without a single player who has won an all-ireland at u20/u21 level. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 06/03/2024 21:44:18 2530140 Link 1 |