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Replying To ML89:  "Toreen are a fine fine team but surely their recent dominance of the Connacht intermediate championship is another sign of the over inflation of the senior championship with average teams. What good is adding teams who are about 20 points worse than the top teams. Introducing Senior B and swelling the overall championship to 24 teams in madness. When you're going down to your 25th ranked team in Kilkenny, Cork, Limerick, Wexford etc your going down to junior ranks. Which is essentially the standard of intermediate in Galway atm. Looking for an extension on the capping of 16 teams after not even attempting to sort it is the most Galway thing ever. Tipp managed to get there's down to 16 from 32 in a year, madness. All this so teams can say their a senior team...if you're a senior team then prove it. Some clubs win 1 game out about 5 a year and stay up. My own club would probably be one that could go down in the cut but staying the way it is is not good. Intermediate hurling in Galway is at the lowest standard it's ever been, the amount of second teams in it as well is sure sign of that. It's essentially the standard of Junior A 10/15 years ago"
It sounds like you want a "Premiere League" of 8-10 Senior teams. Is this correct?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1475 - 12/12/2021 21:28:58    2392619

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Replying To Trump2020:  "It sounds like you want a "Premiere League" of 8-10 Senior teams. Is this correct?"
12 senior clubs in Galway: 6 A-level; 6-B-level, all with a chance of winning the county is the way to go.

But, it won't happen.

Trust me. I know.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1154 - 13/12/2021 08:44:47    2392629

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Replying To Trump2020:  "It sounds like you want a "Premiere League" of 8-10 Senior teams. Is this correct?"
It sounds like he's asking for 16, which I think would be about right.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1402 - 13/12/2021 09:18:54    2392637

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Replying To ML89:  "Toreen are a fine fine team but surely their recent dominance of the Connacht intermediate championship is another sign of the over inflation of the senior championship with average teams. What good is adding teams who are about 20 points worse than the top teams. Introducing Senior B and swelling the overall championship to 24 teams in madness. When you're going down to your 25th ranked team in Kilkenny, Cork, Limerick, Wexford etc your going down to junior ranks. Which is essentially the standard of intermediate in Galway atm. Looking for an extension on the capping of 16 teams after not even attempting to sort it is the most Galway thing ever. Tipp managed to get there's down to 16 from 32 in a year, madness. All this so teams can say their a senior team...if you're a senior team then prove it. Some clubs win 1 game out about 5 a year and stay up. My own club would probably be one that could go down in the cut but staying the way it is is not good. Intermediate hurling in Galway is at the lowest standard it's ever been, the amount of second teams in it as well is sure sign of that. It's essentially the standard of Junior A 10/15 years ago"
Tooreen are an excellent team and have great battles with the Galway intermediate champions. Tooreen's success in recent years is down to their development and quality of players/skill, not just because they face weaker competition in the Galway intermediate champions. The three teams they beat in the Connacht finals were; a very strong intermediate winning team in Ballindereen (Ballindereen played the Connacht final the day after the Galway intermediate final, I believe), Kinvara (who fluked their way to winning intermediate), and Moycullen, (worthy intermediate champions in 2021.)
Although the intermediate champions are generally a strong team who should do well in senior, e.g Cappy, Ahascragh, Oranmore, I think the last few years has been a bit of a joke and I really look forward to the 16,16,16 approach, which will allow for 3 excellent, competitive championships.
There are too many 'senior' clubs banking on one win per year to keep them 'senior'.
These players deserve more and at the end of their careers would surely rather win an intermediate title than say they won endless relegation battles.
The bottom line is that the 16,16,16 approach in Galway is long overdue and when it arrives, we will have a cracking club championship campaign every year!

GalwaysFinest (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 13/12/2021 10:12:55    2392645

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "12 senior clubs in Galway: 6 A-level; 6-B-level, all with a chance of winning the county is the way to go.

But, it won't happen.

Trust me. I know."
Interesting. Would they interplay each other or would "A" stay strictly playing "A"? Would top team in "B" play top team in "A"?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1475 - 13/12/2021 14:29:16    2392682

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "12 senior clubs in Galway: 6 A-level; 6-B-level, all with a chance of winning the county is the way to go.

But, it won't happen.

Trust me. I know."
Interesting. Would they interplay each other or would "A" stay strictly playing "A"? Would top team in "B" play top team in "A"?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1475 - 13/12/2021 14:29:20    2392683

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "It sounds like he's asking for 16, which I think would be about right."
I'm for anything that raises the standard and keeps us competitive on the National Stage. Clubs from Kilkenny, Tipp, Waterford, etc are not resting on their laurels and are constantly improving and sending out great teams.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1475 - 13/12/2021 14:35:14    2392687

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Replying To GalwaysFinest:  "Tooreen are an excellent team and have great battles with the Galway intermediate champions. Tooreen's success in recent years is down to their development and quality of players/skill, not just because they face weaker competition in the Galway intermediate champions. The three teams they beat in the Connacht finals were; a very strong intermediate winning team in Ballindereen (Ballindereen played the Connacht final the day after the Galway intermediate final, I believe), Kinvara (who fluked their way to winning intermediate), and Moycullen, (worthy intermediate champions in 2021.)
Although the intermediate champions are generally a strong team who should do well in senior, e.g Cappy, Ahascragh, Oranmore, I think the last few years has been a bit of a joke and I really look forward to the 16,16,16 approach, which will allow for 3 excellent, competitive championships.
There are too many 'senior' clubs banking on one win per year to keep them 'senior'.
These players deserve more and at the end of their careers would surely rather win an intermediate title than say they won endless relegation battles.
The bottom line is that the 16,16,16 approach in Galway is long overdue and when it arrives, we will have a cracking club championship campaign every year!"
Ah, this 'fluked' thing again.

Let's look at the facts, shall we.

In 2019 QF Kinvara faced a Meelick/Eyrecourt team who had won all 6 group games they played, and beat them.

In 2019 SF Kinvara played and walloped a Moycullen team who went on to contest the final in 2020 and achieved promotion in 2021.

In 2019 Final Kinvara played and edged out a Kilconieron team who didn't do enough on the day to get over the line (a scenario they emphatically rectified a year later, to their credit) but they absolutely were not robbed in that final.

What part of a winning run like that was a fluke?

Moycullen snatched victory in the 2021 Intermediate final in a similar way to Kinvara in 2019, why was Moycullen's win not a 'fluke'? Are we to take it that any win secured by an injury time goal comes into that category now?

BTW AFAIK it was Ahascragh/Fohenagh who played the next day not Ballinderreen.

By the way, instead of arrogantly assuming what players 'deserve' and 'would rather' maybe you should try asking them for their opinion. Clearly not something you've bothered with.

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 661 - 13/12/2021 14:52:57    2392696

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Interesting. Would they interplay each other or would "A" stay strictly playing "A"? Would top team in "B" play top team in "A"?"
Each team has 5 games to play. The top 2 at A-level go into semi-finals. Teams 3 and 5 at A-level plus 1 and 2 at B-level go into quarter-finals.

I'm not having a cut at Galway when I say 12 senior clubs is enough. I could say the same about almost every other county.

Yes, I follow Limerick hurling, but any poster from Limerick on here can tell you that when it comes to senior club hurling in the county that 12 exist on paper, but only 4 on the field (outside of NAP, Kilmallock, The Well and Doon, you won't find a team to win it in Limerick).

It's the same in almost every other county. Stop kidding ourselves that we've even 12 senior level clubs in any county.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1154 - 13/12/2021 16:15:36    2392714

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Replying To GalwaysFinest:  "Tooreen are an excellent team and have great battles with the Galway intermediate champions. Tooreen's success in recent years is down to their development and quality of players/skill, not just because they face weaker competition in the Galway intermediate champions. The three teams they beat in the Connacht finals were; a very strong intermediate winning team in Ballindereen (Ballindereen played the Connacht final the day after the Galway intermediate final, I believe), Kinvara (who fluked their way to winning intermediate), and Moycullen, (worthy intermediate champions in 2021.)
Although the intermediate champions are generally a strong team who should do well in senior, e.g Cappy, Ahascragh, Oranmore, I think the last few years has been a bit of a joke and I really look forward to the 16,16,16 approach, which will allow for 3 excellent, competitive championships.
There are too many 'senior' clubs banking on one win per year to keep them 'senior'.
These players deserve more and at the end of their careers would surely rather win an intermediate title than say they won endless relegation battles.
The bottom line is that the 16,16,16 approach in Galway is long overdue and when it arrives, we will have a cracking club championship campaign every year!"
Regarding the 16 team championship I can't see it happening too many vested interests while it would be brilliant for galway hurling and result in much stronger club representation in the junior and intermediate all Ireland competitions

minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 120 - 13/12/2021 18:46:23    2392735

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Replying To minor77:  "Regarding the 16 team championship I can't see it happening too many vested interests while it would be brilliant for galway hurling and result in much stronger club representation in the junior and intermediate all Ireland competitions"
They've no choice. It's directive from Croke Park. Such a Galway thing to be the only 1 out of the 32 counties not able to sort in time. It's not like we've a ridiculous huge number of clubs in Galway either. Cork have more clubs than the entire province of Connacht! With a further 7 or so counties with more clubs as well. Truth be none there is some Senior B clubs that had we proper promotion/relegation they'd be Junior A in a properly run system. Clubs, county board, Galway whatever need to grow up and realise that not everyone has to be a senior club. 16 is more than enough clubs for us. The good teams will still be the top teams obviously but their won't be some huge chasm between the teams at the lower end and higher. Look in Kilkenny that Tullaroan could come up from their second tier and get to semi finals and draw with Ballyhale, and that's most years that teams can move up the tiers and get rewards for winning tough and stronger intermediate/junior championships and if they're not performing they get relegated accordingly. Compare that with the absolute tonking Thomas's gave our second tier winners...who does this do good for?

ML89 (Galway) - Posts: 39 - 13/12/2021 21:58:02    2392759

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Replying To ML89:  "They've no choice. It's directive from Croke Park. Such a Galway thing to be the only 1 out of the 32 counties not able to sort in time. It's not like we've a ridiculous huge number of clubs in Galway either. Cork have more clubs than the entire province of Connacht! With a further 7 or so counties with more clubs as well. Truth be none there is some Senior B clubs that had we proper promotion/relegation they'd be Junior A in a properly run system. Clubs, county board, Galway whatever need to grow up and realise that not everyone has to be a senior club. 16 is more than enough clubs for us. The good teams will still be the top teams obviously but their won't be some huge chasm between the teams at the lower end and higher. Look in Kilkenny that Tullaroan could come up from their second tier and get to semi finals and draw with Ballyhale, and that's most years that teams can move up the tiers and get rewards for winning tough and stronger intermediate/junior championships and if they're not performing they get relegated accordingly. Compare that with the absolute tonking Thomas's gave our second tier winners...who does this do good for?"
I agree with everything you have said but mark my words wait until they try to implement the croke park directive galway gaa will find a way of avoiding the relegation of several senior clubs

minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 120 - 14/12/2021 12:51:51    2392805

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Replying To minor77:  "I agree with everything you have said but mark my words wait until they try to implement the croke park directive galway gaa will find a way of avoiding the relegation of several senior clubs"
its too simplistic perhaps for us to say, but yes, it has to go to 16/16/16 for the betterment & integrity of Galway championships. Hopefully Mr Bellew can sort should things go his way this evening.

CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 14/12/2021 14:59:48    2392819

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "its too simplistic perhaps for us to say, but yes, it has to go to 16/16/16 for the betterment & integrity of Galway championships. Hopefully Mr Bellew can sort should things go his way this evening."
Big decisions for clubs, battle for top two places on the Board really between football & hurling candidates.
If football board lose both, they will be definitely on the hind t it.
Interesting that many of the proposals put forward by one candidate are nearly the same as those put forward by the last defeated candidate for the post & that was wiped out by certain clubs & people who will probably be voting yes for it tonight.
With Henry in the reins, hurling board will be looking to consolidate their positions of power, should be interesting election, skin & hair flying, false promises & more daggers than a Julius Caesar scene.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1189 - 14/12/2021 18:19:24    2392837

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "its too simplistic perhaps for us to say, but yes, it has to go to 16/16/16 for the betterment & integrity of Galway championships. Hopefully Mr Bellew can sort should things go his way this evening."
As I have already stated there will no easy fix it is being reported this evening that galway gaa are appealing to croke park to have this deferred

minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 120 - 14/12/2021 18:31:22    2392839

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "its too simplistic perhaps for us to say, but yes, it has to go to 16/16/16 for the betterment & integrity of Galway championships. Hopefully Mr Bellew can sort should things go his way this evening."
let us know when the result comes in

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 201 - 14/12/2021 21:44:25    2392854

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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "let us know when the result comes in"
Bellew got elected. He gave quite a bit of detail in recent interviews on what has been done. This kind of information is very important.
I hope this level of transparency continues as he takes the chairman role.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1402 - 15/12/2021 10:33:05    2392865

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Replying To ML89:  "They've no choice. It's directive from Croke Park. Such a Galway thing to be the only 1 out of the 32 counties not able to sort in time. It's not like we've a ridiculous huge number of clubs in Galway either. Cork have more clubs than the entire province of Connacht! With a further 7 or so counties with more clubs as well. Truth be none there is some Senior B clubs that had we proper promotion/relegation they'd be Junior A in a properly run system. Clubs, county board, Galway whatever need to grow up and realise that not everyone has to be a senior club. 16 is more than enough clubs for us. The good teams will still be the top teams obviously but their won't be some huge chasm between the teams at the lower end and higher. Look in Kilkenny that Tullaroan could come up from their second tier and get to semi finals and draw with Ballyhale, and that's most years that teams can move up the tiers and get rewards for winning tough and stronger intermediate/junior championships and if they're not performing they get relegated accordingly. Compare that with the absolute tonking Thomas's gave our second tier winners...who does this do good for?"
Would you have said the same thing after watching the 2020 club championships, one of the best club championships we had in years, most games highly competitive and only a margin of a point or two in most games? The 2021 championship has had far too many one sided games for sure but put it in context.
That said, I think it is a good thing if the number of senior clubs is reduced. I would have said 18 or 20 would be the appropriate number but of course 16 is a handier number to work with. I dont think Croke Park should have a veto on how many senior clubs we have. Undoubtedly we will have to reduce the number of senior clubs in order to make the split season for club and county work but there should be some wriggle room on the rule that it needs to be 16.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1663 - 15/12/2021 10:46:22    2392871

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Big decisions for clubs, battle for top two places on the Board really between football & hurling candidates.
If football board lose both, they will be definitely on the hind t it.
Interesting that many of the proposals put forward by one candidate are nearly the same as those put forward by the last defeated candidate for the post & that was wiped out by certain clubs & people who will probably be voting yes for it tonight.
With Henry in the reins, hurling board will be looking to consolidate their positions of power, should be interesting election, skin & hair flying, false promises & more daggers than a Julius Caesar scene."
Another win for the hurlers in the big position at the top table. I read somewhere today there hasn't been a football chair since 1989, but given the incompetence of so many of the top football men that's hardly surprising. They're miles behind the hurlers in so many ways. Mary Judge secured the Vice Chair position with relative ease however which is some consolation on the football side. Taking the football / hurling biases out of it her and Bellew were probably the two best candidates for the relevant positions.

Your point on Bellew's proposals are very valid. They are a carbon copy of what Cullhane brought a year ago. Kearney kept voters onside with very questionable tactics to maintain his position a year ago. That combined with hurling clubs voting no to Cullhane simply because he was from a football background probably cost him.

Donaldtrump (Galway) - Posts: 215 - 15/12/2021 10:50:46    2392873

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Replying To Donaldtrump:  "Another win for the hurlers in the big position at the top table. I read somewhere today there hasn't been a football chair since 1989, but given the incompetence of so many of the top football men that's hardly surprising. They're miles behind the hurlers in so many ways. Mary Judge secured the Vice Chair position with relative ease however which is some consolation on the football side. Taking the football / hurling biases out of it her and Bellew were probably the two best candidates for the relevant positions.

Your point on Bellew's proposals are very valid. They are a carbon copy of what Cullhane brought a year ago. Kearney kept voters onside with very questionable tactics to maintain his position a year ago. That combined with hurling clubs voting no to Cullhane simply because he was from a football background probably cost him."
I would hope that the new committee would sort out a serious communications deficit in Galway GAA circles.
there are so many areas that need attention it would require a full article to deal with it.
We need a proper communications unit from the ground up giving details of all activities with full details of teams, results, a live twitter feed from championship games, etc.etc
Galway needs to improve its fund raising act considerably and this wont happen without proper up to date modern communications

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 201 - 15/12/2021 11:32:23    2392883

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