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Replying To BostonGuy: ""No point in replacing them until they're gone" is a very narrow view, what happens with retirements, aging players, season ending injuries, or players who should be dropped but were not. Its not a coincidence that Wenger and Ferguson heavily monitored players aged 30+ and in many cases limited their time or sold them. Yes its soccer but the same points apply. Both managed to sustain success for extended periods of time and replace many of the parts in doing so. The best teams are the ones where you have reserves chomping at the bit to make the team. I would rather have a selection dilemma than a team that picks itself. Skilled GAA athletes (not players) don't just magically appear they are skilled, identified early and hone their skills in academies more and more in a 'professional' like environment. The divide between club and county is too great to just let players grow organically, and its only going to get bigger. The patriots won 6 SBs and lost 3 in 20 years. The total number of players who played in all SBs was ONE, Tom Brady. Brady only every had one hall of fame wide receiver Randy Moss ...and they lost the super bowl that year. What he did have was a group of skilled athletes who played to a system that worked for them. They were intelligent and were able to adapt mid-game to what was thrown at them and win at all costs (Like Limerick) . They suffered injuries, a murder conviction, trades and free agency but always had the skilled players to come in and their attitude has always been 'next man up' to fill the void. The patriots failure in recent years had more to do with salary cap space, and as a result free agency add to bad offensive coaching (broken system) and they are where they are. Can you point me to where I said that structures without having the raw material to work with produced perpetual quality?......didn't think so!" If it was 'the system' and 'skilled athletes' that won Brady all he won in New England, how did he manage to rock into Tampa, and win it for them in his first season? Isn't every single NFL franchise packed roster full of 'skilled athletes'? That's how the NFL works. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4082 - 18/08/2023 15:17:38 2501201 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Wenger, Ferguson, Limerick, Kilkenny, the Patriots, Galway, whoever.......I'm only seeing one common theme here, and that is that the cycle of success inevitably comes to an end at some point." Nearly always Pope. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15455 - 18/08/2023 15:23:12 2501203 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Th e fact is if Galway had adapted the 'next man up' approach that Kiely has so well used when coping with injuries etc, Galway would probably win the '89 All Ireland. I know from talking to different older hurling Tribesmen that many of them would agree with me." Galway might have won the '89 All Ireland also but for a Wexford referee who did them no favours at all in that semi final v Tipp. Antrim were waiting in the Final. Limerick have 4 in a row. That great Galway team of the mid and late 80s could have done 6 in a row. They lost 3 Finals ( All winnable) and lost that '89 semi with of course Tony Keady the late great suspended. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2368 - 18/08/2023 20:21:35 2501238 Link
Good match in bad weather between Gort and Turloughmore which ended in a draw. 1-12 to 15 points. Paddy Cummins with the goal for Gort which scored the last 4 points to snatch a late draw. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2483 - 18/08/2023 20:27:26 2501240 Link
Replying To katser: "This Weekends games Senior Turloughmore v Gort..............................Turlough St.Thomas' v Portumna..........................Thomas' Clarinbridge v Killimordaly.....................'Bridge Oranmore-Maree v Tommy Larkins .....Oranmore Castlegar v sarsfields...............................Cashel Ardrahan v Craughwell............................Ardrahan Kilconieron v Moycullen..........................Kilconieron Cappataggle v Loughrea.........................Loughrea Senior B Liam Mellows v Athenry...........................Mellows Mullagh v Ahasragh-Fohenagh...............Mullagh Killimor v Kilnadeema-Leitrim.................Killimor Padraig Pearses v Beagh..........................Pearses" Turloughmore v Gort…..RESULT DRAW St.Thomas' v Portumna…..Thomas's Clarenbridge v Killimordaly…..Bridge Oranmore-Maree v Tommy Larkins…..Oranmore Castlegar v sarsfields…..Sarsfields Ardrahan v Craughwell…..DRAW Kilconieron v Moycullen…..DRAW Cappataggle v Loughrea…..Loughrea Liam Mellows v Athenry…..Mellows Mullagh v Ahasragh-Fohenagh…..Mullagh Killimor v Kilnadeema-Leitrim…..Kilnadeema Padraig Pearses v Beagh…..DRAW Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2483 - 18/08/2023 20:44:02 2501241 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "Hint Boston: Don't go arguing with the Poop, sorry I mean Pope, because he's infallible…in his own mind. And certainly don't go contradicting him or answering him back. Hell, fire, and brimstone for that sort of carry on." I dont believe in Popes, as the saying goes...In God we trust all others bring data! BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 05:33:21 2501256 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Th e fact is if Galway had adapted the 'next man up' approach that Kiely has so well used when coping with injuries etc, Galway would probably win the '89 All Ireland. I know from talking to different older hurling Tribesmen that many of them would agree with me." Don't agree Galway had a big drop off from the main 15, maybe Sean Tracey was at par but not many of the bench were capable of being "next man up". Some may point to Noel Lane but really he was an impact sub at that stage. Add to that the fact that John Denton did his very best to stop Galway winning that semi-final, I dont think they had a "fair' chance of winning. BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 05:39:19 2501257 Link
Replying To Kinvara: "Easy do "next man up" when that next man is Cathal O'Neill, Richie English, Graeme Mulcahy, David Reidy etc..." Its easier definitely, but that didnt just happen, these guys are playing to a system that fits their skill sets. What I like about this Limerick team is the adaptability to plug players into different positions Especially Reidy could probably play him in defense, midfield or forward. It makes "next man up" easier to implement when you have that level of adaptability. BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 05:46:08 2501258 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Wenger, Ferguson, Limerick, Kilkenny, the Patriots, Galway, whoever.......I'm only seeing one common theme here, and that is that the cycle of success inevitably comes to an end at some point." Of course it comes to an end at some point, but the ability to sustain it for 10+ years like KK, patriots, United is greatness. The next challenge is the rebuild. This Limerick team has won 5 of last six All Irelands in the modern era makes them IMHO the greatest team in the history of GAA. As of now I still think the 2003-13 KK success as a better achievement as it was built with multiple teams while sustaining success. BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 05:57:40 2501259 Link
Replying To BostonGuy: "I dont believe in Popes, as the saying goes...In God we trust all others bring data!" 'It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts' - Sherlock Holmes. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4082 - 19/08/2023 11:01:38 2501279 Link
Replying To BostonGuy: "Of course it comes to an end at some point, but the ability to sustain it for 10+ years like KK, patriots, United is greatness. The next challenge is the rebuild. This Limerick team has won 5 of last six All Irelands in the modern era makes them IMHO the greatest team in the history of GAA. As of now I still think the 2003-13 KK success as a better achievement as it was built with multiple teams while sustaining success." KK 2000-2015. They won the All Irelands in 2002 and in both 2014 and 2015 as well. Yes for Limerick to rival Kilkenny or for Kiely to rival Cody, Limerick will need to be winning All Irelands in 2030 with a new team. They're a machine now so it may well happen. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2368 - 19/08/2023 12:06:39 2501284 Link
Replying To endgame: "Galway might have won the '89 All Ireland also but for a Wexford referee who did them no favours at all in that semi final v Tipp. Antrim were waiting in the Final. Limerick have 4 in a row. That great Galway team of the mid and late 80s could have done 6 in a row. They lost 3 Finals ( All winnable) and lost that '89 semi with of course Tony Keady the late great suspended." I agree with you there. Galway could indeed have won every All Ireland from '85 to '90 and the '81 Final as well, although Limerick would have won six in a row, but for a combination of mistakes on the field, off the field and on the part of not one but about three Officials. Having said all that if Galway had won back to back titles in '80/'81 would some significant 87/88 players have retired sooner or would Limerick ever have 4 in a row, if they had not that cruel kick in the ass in '19. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 19/08/2023 13:17:12 2501288 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "I agree with you there. Galway could indeed have won every All Ireland from '85 to '90 and the '81 Final as well, although Limerick would have won six in a row, but for a combination of mistakes on the field, off the field and on the part of not one but about three Officials. Having said all that if Galway had won back to back titles in '80/'81 would some significant 87/88 players have retired sooner or would Limerick ever have 4 in a row, if they had not that cruel kick in the ass in '19." Nothing like a bit of 'perspective', or is it 'raiméis hurt', I'm reading here? You win 5 out of 6, and you're drawn to bellyache about 'that cruel kick in the ass in '19'. Standards are indeed high in Limerick right now. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4082 - 19/08/2023 14:15:23 2501307 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "I agree with you there. Galway could indeed have won every All Ireland from '85 to '90 and the '81 Final as well, although Limerick would have won six in a row, but for a combination of mistakes on the field, off the field and on the part of not one but about three Officials. Having said all that if Galway had won back to back titles in '80/'81 would some significant 87/88 players have retired sooner or would Limerick ever have 4 in a row, if they had not that cruel kick in the ass in '19." That one point defeat to Kilkenny in 2019 was the making of this Limerick team. Sore and harsh at the time but the Treaty haven't lost a knockout championship game since. The sour taste of defeat can go a long way. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2368 - 19/08/2023 15:12:09 2501321 Link
Replying To endgame: "That one point defeat to Kilkenny in 2019 was the making of this Limerick team. Sore and harsh at the time but the Treaty haven't lost a knockout championship game since. The sour taste of defeat can go a long way." I agree. It sort of brought Limerick back down to Earth. We knew at that point they were a very good team with young talent everywhere but that loss was bitter and I'm sure they still use it in the locker room. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2483 - 19/08/2023 15:23:19 2501323 Link
the defeat in 19 is what drove this team to new heights for the next 2 yrs 20 &21 they destroyed all before them bar the galway sem final in 2020 ......they won the 2020 championship by an average of 7 points a game . won the 2021 championship by an average of 10 points a game. as eddie brennan said it was the galway defeat in the semi fnal in 05 is what hurt kilkenny the most and drove them to the 4 in a a row after. munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1136 - 19/08/2023 17:19:14 2501343 Link
Replying To endgame: "KK 2000-2015. They won the All Irelands in 2002 and in both 2014 and 2015 as well. Yes for Limerick to rival Kilkenny or for Kiely to rival Cody, Limerick will need to be winning All Irelands in 2030 with a new team. They're a machine now so it may well happen." Yep It will be interesting BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 18:15:44 2501352 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "'It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts' - Sherlock Holmes." "Many of the truths we cling to depend on our point of view" - Obi Wan Kenobi We can all quote fictitious characters, but DATA is all around us, now whether we choose if there is sufficient amounts is up to each persons interpretation including Mr Holmes. IMHO there is enough data in the GAA games, squads, academies to collect, interpret ,change and model our "points of view" . Theory is only one area of data and explains AFTER the fact, forecast and predictability are others based on current and historical analysis that can impact the future. BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 18:33:51 2501353 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "I agree. It sort of brought Limerick back down to Earth. We knew at that point they were a very good team with young talent everywhere but that loss was bitter and I'm sure they still use it in the locker room." 110% agree, but its how they used it, that takes a skill as people are motivated differently. Limerick are a great team, many focus on their skill, strength, system and athletic ability and that's all there. Im also impressed by their mental toughness especially when things don't go their way, somehow they have the mental fortitude to pull through. BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 18:40:28 2501356 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "If it was 'the system' and 'skilled athletes' that won Brady all he won in New England, how did he manage to rock into Tampa, and win it for them in his first season? Isn't every single NFL franchise packed roster full of 'skilled athletes'? That's how the NFL works." No because he came into a stacked team in TB and was the missing piece of the puzzle, TB won one SB and were lucky to win it. They could not sustain the level the following years even with Brady You keep missing the point, having the right structures and systems help SUSTAIN greatness, build and rebuild great teams while maintaining competitiveness. This is hard to do in the NFL because of the draft and salary caps that work against this. NE did it for 20 years and it was not all Brady There are 'skilled athletes' on most NFL teams as you say but some are as dumb as a rock and cannot play to a system, cant even read a playbook. Brady and NE needed each other, Brady is not the most skilled QB or "skilled athlete" in the history of the NFL. His is the most driven and in a system like NE he thrived. Let me ask you how many SBs do you think he would have won if he didnt play for NE...let me help you ...NONE not even the one in TB. BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/08/2023 19:06:33 2501358 Link