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With Craughwell winning the Junior A replay at the weekend, am i right in saying we will have 3/4 clubs with Senior and Intermidiate hurling teams in 2022 - Craughwell, Turlough, Clarinbridge?
With the likelyhood of 16 Senior 16 Inter 16 Jun A coming down the tracks it could be time to look at a reserve system like in other counties? So that it could only be a 1st team in Senior/Inter/ Jun A ?
Senior
1 Craughwell
2Turlough
3Castelgar
4 Ahascragh
5St Thomas
6Mellows
7Cappy
8Killimordaly
9Tommy L
10 Sarsfields
11Oranmore
12 Gort
13Clarinbridge
14 Kilconeiron
15 Portumna
16 Pearses
Inter
1 Athenry
2 Tynagh
3 K/Leitrim
4 Adrdrahan
5 Mullagh
6 Beagh
7 Ballindereen
8 Moycullen
9 Killimor
10 carnmore
11Meelick
12 Rahoon
13Sylane
14 Kinvara
15 Abbeyknockmoy
16 Annaghdown ( all the other 3rd place teams this year are 2nd teams )
Junior A
1An Spideal
2 Kiltormer
3 Kilbeacanty
4. Salthill
5. Ballygar
6. Skehana /Mountbellew
7. Bearna Furbo
8 Micheal Breathnach
1st Teams such as Bsloe/ Menlo who currently play in Junior 1 could be offered a place in the new Junior A
This would stop some of the re-grading problems currently happening, it would aslo minimise the delay in Jun A / Jun 1 - it would also gurantee 1st teams a chance at promotion rather then the increase of super clubs.
It would leave the Junior A with only 8 teams but you could have 7 games , top 4 into semi final. There would be no relegation from Junior A ( which is a safety net for some of the weakest/fragile hurling clubs in the county .
The 2nd teams would be streamed based on current levels, and would have its own Senior 1 Inter 1 etc championship.
Just an idea as this 16 Club maximum will be pushed on Galway from Croke Park .
Thoughts?
puckemhard (Galway) - Posts: 227 - 23/11/2021 12:08:44
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Replying To puckemhard: "With Craughwell winning the Junior A replay at the weekend, am i right in saying we will have 3/4 clubs with Senior and Intermidiate hurling teams in 2022 - Craughwell, Turlough, Clarinbridge?
With the likelyhood of 16 Senior 16 Inter 16 Jun A coming down the tracks it could be time to look at a reserve system like in other counties? So that it could only be a 1st team in Senior/Inter/ Jun A ?
Senior
1 Craughwell
2Turlough
3Castelgar
4 Ahascragh
5St Thomas
6Mellows
7Cappy
8Killimordaly
9Tommy L
10 Sarsfields
11Oranmore
12 Gort
13Clarinbridge
14 Kilconeiron
15 Portumna
16 Pearses
Inter
1 Athenry
2 Tynagh
3 K/Leitrim
4 Adrdrahan
5 Mullagh
6 Beagh
7 Ballindereen
8 Moycullen
9 Killimor
10 carnmore
11Meelick
12 Rahoon
13Sylane
14 Kinvara
15 Abbeyknockmoy
16 Annaghdown ( all the other 3rd place teams this year are 2nd teams )
Junior A
1An Spideal
2 Kiltormer
3 Kilbeacanty
4. Salthill
5. Ballygar
6. Skehana /Mountbellew
7. Bearna Furbo
8 Micheal Breathnach
1st Teams such as Bsloe/ Menlo who currently play in Junior 1 could be offered a place in the new Junior A
This would stop some of the re-grading problems currently happening, it would aslo minimise the delay in Jun A / Jun 1 - it would also gurantee 1st teams a chance at promotion rather then the increase of super clubs.
It would leave the Junior A with only 8 teams but you could have 7 games , top 4 into semi final. There would be no relegation from Junior A ( which is a safety net for some of the weakest/fragile hurling clubs in the county .
The 2nd teams would be streamed based on current levels, and would have its own Senior 1 Inter 1 etc championship.
Just an idea as this 16 Club maximum will be pushed on Galway from Croke Park .
Thoughts?" Am I right in saying 8/9(have to take into account that the intermediate champions will be promoted to senior) will have to be relagated next year to bring the numbers down to 16 which in turn will have another 8 relagated from intermediate down to junior a. I wonder how the county board will get the teams relagated. Not to many will be happy.
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Replying To plentyofstick: "Am I right in saying 8/9(have to take into account that the intermediate champions will be promoted to senior) will have to be relagated next year to bring the numbers down to 16 which in turn will have another 8 relagated from intermediate down to junior a. I wonder how the county board will get the teams relagated. Not to many will be happy." Is the only option to follow Tipp template and create a senior b stand alone competition? Winners of Intermediate continue to compete in all ireland club intermediate, and winners of senior b just get promoted to senior A? 1 up 1 down then going forward
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 485 - 23/11/2021 17:18:06
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Replying To puckemhard: "With Craughwell winning the Junior A replay at the weekend, am i right in saying we will have 3/4 clubs with Senior and Intermidiate hurling teams in 2022 - Craughwell, Turlough, Clarinbridge?
With the likelyhood of 16 Senior 16 Inter 16 Jun A coming down the tracks it could be time to look at a reserve system like in other counties? So that it could only be a 1st team in Senior/Inter/ Jun A ?
Senior
1 Craughwell
2Turlough
3Castelgar
4 Ahascragh
5St Thomas
6Mellows
7Cappy
8Killimordaly
9Tommy L
10 Sarsfields
11Oranmore
12 Gort
13Clarinbridge
14 Kilconeiron
15 Portumna
16 Pearses
Inter
1 Athenry
2 Tynagh
3 K/Leitrim
4 Adrdrahan
5 Mullagh
6 Beagh
7 Ballindereen
8 Moycullen
9 Killimor
10 carnmore
11Meelick
12 Rahoon
13Sylane
14 Kinvara
15 Abbeyknockmoy
16 Annaghdown ( all the other 3rd place teams this year are 2nd teams )
Junior A
1An Spideal
2 Kiltormer
3 Kilbeacanty
4. Salthill
5. Ballygar
6. Skehana /Mountbellew
7. Bearna Furbo
8 Micheal Breathnach
1st Teams such as Bsloe/ Menlo who currently play in Junior 1 could be offered a place in the new Junior A
This would stop some of the re-grading problems currently happening, it would aslo minimise the delay in Jun A / Jun 1 - it would also gurantee 1st teams a chance at promotion rather then the increase of super clubs.
It would leave the Junior A with only 8 teams but you could have 7 games , top 4 into semi final. There would be no relegation from Junior A ( which is a safety net for some of the weakest/fragile hurling clubs in the county .
The 2nd teams would be streamed based on current levels, and would have its own Senior 1 Inter 1 etc championship.
Just an idea as this 16 Club maximum will be pushed on Galway from Croke Park .
Thoughts?" One thing that stands out is how poor the junior a hurling has become when you see second teams winning it nearly every year back in the 80s you had portumna, ahascragh, foenagh. Abby duniary leitrim, kilmademma and even claranbridge were all junior teams all are now playing senior even if some had to emalgamate to get there
minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 223 - 23/11/2021 18:36:05
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Replying To plentyofstick: "Am I right in saying 8/9(have to take into account that the intermediate champions will be promoted to senior) will have to be relagated next year to bring the numbers down to 16 which in turn will have another 8 relagated from intermediate down to junior a. I wonder how the county board will get the teams relagated. Not to many will be happy." You can have a maximum of 16 clubs in your 'top tier'. You can have less if you wish. And yes the Intermediate champions have to go up a level, otherwise what's the point of winning it.
In theory you could split it 12/12/16 as it is now but only the top tier could compete for the Senior county title and only one can go up from B, one down from A from 2023 on. Effectively making current Senior B Intermediate and so on down the line.
I don't like it as I feel it's none of congress's business what we do but it is what it is.
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 829 - 23/11/2021 19:06:25
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Replying To puckemhard: "With Craughwell winning the Junior A replay at the weekend, am i right in saying we will have 3/4 clubs with Senior and Intermidiate hurling teams in 2022 - Craughwell, Turlough, Clarinbridge?
With the likelyhood of 16 Senior 16 Inter 16 Jun A coming down the tracks it could be time to look at a reserve system like in other counties? So that it could only be a 1st team in Senior/Inter/ Jun A ?
Senior
1 Craughwell
2Turlough
3Castelgar
4 Ahascragh
5St Thomas
6Mellows
7Cappy
8Killimordaly
9Tommy L
10 Sarsfields
11Oranmore
12 Gort
13Clarinbridge
14 Kilconeiron
15 Portumna
16 Pearses
Inter
1 Athenry
2 Tynagh
3 K/Leitrim
4 Adrdrahan
5 Mullagh
6 Beagh
7 Ballindereen
8 Moycullen
9 Killimor
10 carnmore
11Meelick
12 Rahoon
13Sylane
14 Kinvara
15 Abbeyknockmoy
16 Annaghdown ( all the other 3rd place teams this year are 2nd teams )
Junior A
1An Spideal
2 Kiltormer
3 Kilbeacanty
4. Salthill
5. Ballygar
6. Skehana /Mountbellew
7. Bearna Furbo
8 Micheal Breathnach
1st Teams such as Bsloe/ Menlo who currently play in Junior 1 could be offered a place in the new Junior A
This would stop some of the re-grading problems currently happening, it would aslo minimise the delay in Jun A / Jun 1 - it would also gurantee 1st teams a chance at promotion rather then the increase of super clubs.
It would leave the Junior A with only 8 teams but you could have 7 games , top 4 into semi final. There would be no relegation from Junior A ( which is a safety net for some of the weakest/fragile hurling clubs in the county .
The 2nd teams would be streamed based on current levels, and would have its own Senior 1 Inter 1 etc championship.
Just an idea as this 16 Club maximum will be pushed on Galway from Croke Park .
Thoughts?" Despite my club being relegated to Intermediate, I think this will give everyone a benefit of more competitive games. A bigger meaning to winning intermediate, more valid competition to stay up there (at the moment any half average team can survive a relegation play off) and more importantly better games to watch. The fact you have thrown Loughrea completely out of every championship is just an added bonus if you ask me :)
twohands (Galway) - Posts: 149 - 23/11/2021 19:24:37
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16 Senior A, 16 Senior B, 16 Intermediate, 16 Junior A, 16 Junior B, 16 Junior C.
Top two from the 4 groups in Senior B enter the proper Championship v the top two from the 4 Senior A groups in straight knock out last 16.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 24/11/2021 11:40:21
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I knew id forget one team ! Loughrea would obviously be in Senior , one of the Senior B teams drop to Inter, Annaghdown to Junior A etc.
I get the point about standard of Junior A 20 years ago, but if im correct Bearna/ Salthill/ MB/Sylane would have been Junior C if formed at all at that stage so they have improved hugely.
The other alternative is have the Senior B ? but would that work?
The second teams are stronger then ever in certain clubs and this is great for those clubs its hard for rural clubs to compete with teams like Mellows, Turlough, Craughwell, Clarinbridge numbers wise. So do you keep developing the second teams in the super clubs( not in a negative way) or try and keep the smaller clubs alive and giving them a hope of climnbing the ladder.
Its something we have to think about ASAP in this county
puckemhard (Galway) - Posts: 227 - 24/11/2021 11:43:25
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Replying To puckemhard: "I knew id forget one team ! Loughrea would obviously be in Senior , one of the Senior B teams drop to Inter, Annaghdown to Junior A etc.
I get the point about standard of Junior A 20 years ago, but if im correct Bearna/ Salthill/ MB/Sylane would have been Junior C if formed at all at that stage so they have improved hugely.
The other alternative is have the Senior B ? but would that work?
The second teams are stronger then ever in certain clubs and this is great for those clubs its hard for rural clubs to compete with teams like Mellows, Turlough, Craughwell, Clarinbridge numbers wise. So do you keep developing the second teams in the super clubs( not in a negative way) or try and keep the smaller clubs alive and giving them a hope of climnbing the ladder.
Its something we have to think about ASAP in this county" Some Clubs through the years broke sweat, blood and tears to win Intermediate to get upto Senior and earned the right to be classed as a Senior Club, so in my view Senior B should remain and also their right as a Senior Club to enter the proper Senior Championship.
It's not the Clubs fault that the Hurling Board decided to raise it to 24 teams and now have to reduce it to 16 teams.
Anyway is it not the Club delegates who decide when it goes to motion.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 24/11/2021 13:23:33
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Replying To katser: "Some Clubs through the years broke sweat, blood and tears to win Intermediate to get upto Senior and earned the right to be classed as a Senior Club, so in my view Senior B should remain and also their right as a Senior Club to enter the proper Senior Championship.
It's not the Clubs fault that the Hurling Board decided to raise it to 24 teams and now have to reduce it to 16 teams.
Anyway is it not the Club delegates who decide when it goes to motion." By that logic senior should have 40 teams and let everyone up.
Donaldtrump (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 24/11/2021 13:39:47
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Replying To puckemhard: "With Craughwell winning the Junior A replay at the weekend, am i right in saying we will have 3/4 clubs with Senior and Intermidiate hurling teams in 2022 - Craughwell, Turlough, Clarinbridge?
With the likelyhood of 16 Senior 16 Inter 16 Jun A coming down the tracks it could be time to look at a reserve system like in other counties? So that it could only be a 1st team in Senior/Inter/ Jun A ?
Senior
1 Craughwell
2Turlough
3Castelgar
4 Ahascragh
5St Thomas
6Mellows
7Cappy
8Killimordaly
9Tommy L
10 Sarsfields
11Oranmore
12 Gort
13Clarinbridge
14 Kilconeiron
15 Portumna
16 Pearses
Inter
1 Athenry
2 Tynagh
3 K/Leitrim
4 Adrdrahan
5 Mullagh
6 Beagh
7 Ballindereen
8 Moycullen
9 Killimor
10 carnmore
11Meelick
12 Rahoon
13Sylane
14 Kinvara
15 Abbeyknockmoy
16 Annaghdown ( all the other 3rd place teams this year are 2nd teams )
Junior A
1An Spideal
2 Kiltormer
3 Kilbeacanty
4. Salthill
5. Ballygar
6. Skehana /Mountbellew
7. Bearna Furbo
8 Micheal Breathnach
1st Teams such as Bsloe/ Menlo who currently play in Junior 1 could be offered a place in the new Junior A
This would stop some of the re-grading problems currently happening, it would aslo minimise the delay in Jun A / Jun 1 - it would also gurantee 1st teams a chance at promotion rather then the increase of super clubs.
It would leave the Junior A with only 8 teams but you could have 7 games , top 4 into semi final. There would be no relegation from Junior A ( which is a safety net for some of the weakest/fragile hurling clubs in the county .
The 2nd teams would be streamed based on current levels, and would have its own Senior 1 Inter 1 etc championship.
Just an idea as this 16 Club maximum will be pushed on Galway from Croke Park .
Thoughts?" 40 teams listed in Galway!
To have a competitive championship, and to avoid the current pigeon shoots this is what to do:
Senior A: 6 teams- 5 games; top 2 into county semi-finals. 3rd n 4th into quarter finals. Bottom team plays relegation play off with 2nd in Senior B.
Senior B: 6 teams-5 games: Top two into county quarter-finals. 2nd placed in relegation play off with bottom team in senior A. Bottom team relegated to PI.
Premier Intermediate: 8 teams-7 games; top 4 into semi-finals. Winner goes up Senior B. Bottom team relegated.
Intermediate: 8 teams-same format as Premier Intermediate.
Junior (Group 1): 6 teams, format same as Senior A.
Junior (Group 2): 6 teams, same as format for Senior B.
Junior teams selected by a draw into the two groups. Senior and intermediate teams selected on current standings.
I say Junior Group 1 & 2, because I suspect, but don't know, that Junior B already exists in Galway.
12 teams is plenty to have playing Senior. The Senior B's still have a shot at the big prize.
Smaller groups, playing competitively, with a chance of winning something, is the way forward. Even at that, big gaps will still exist between teams. There's no perfect answer.
16 teams at one level is far too cumbersome, with too great a gap between the top teams and those further back.
And whoever said that I didn't have the best interests of Galway hurling at heart???
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 24/11/2021 13:51:58
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Replying To katser: "Some Clubs through the years broke sweat, blood and tears to win Intermediate to get upto Senior and earned the right to be classed as a Senior Club, so in my view Senior B should remain and also their right as a Senior Club to enter the proper Senior Championship.
It's not the Clubs fault that the Hurling Board decided to raise it to 24 teams and now have to reduce it to 16 teams.
Anyway is it not the Club delegates who decide when it goes to motion." think clubs should swallow their pride a little and 'welcome to the new format!' earn your right in the 16. In for a cracking intermediate competition, and I have no problem saying my club wont be intermediate
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 485 - 24/11/2021 14:12:27
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Replying To CillTormoir: "think clubs should swallow their pride a little and 'welcome to the new format!' earn your right in the 16. In for a cracking intermediate competition, and I have no problem saying my club wont be intermediate" You'd still have a fairly good competitive 16 team Intermediate Championship with the likes of..... Turloughmore, Clairnbridge, Craughwell, Castlegar, Athenry(2nd teams), Kilbeacanty,Kiltormer,Annaghdown, Spiddle,Sylane,Salthill,M.Breanach, S/Mountbellew,Ballygar,Ballinasloe,Barna-Furbo.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 24/11/2021 16:07:22
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Replying To katser: "16 Senior A, 16 Senior B, 16 Intermediate, 16 Junior A, 16 Junior B, 16 Junior C.
Top two from the 4 groups in Senior B enter the proper Championship v the top two from the 4 Senior A groups in straight knock out last 16." This will not be allowed to happen from 2023 on
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 829 - 24/11/2021 18:02:24
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Replying To foreveryoung: "40 teams listed in Galway!
To have a competitive championship, and to avoid the current pigeon shoots this is what to do:
Senior A: 6 teams- 5 games; top 2 into county semi-finals. 3rd n 4th into quarter finals. Bottom team plays relegation play off with 2nd in Senior B.
Senior B: 6 teams-5 games: Top two into county quarter-finals. 2nd placed in relegation play off with bottom team in senior A. Bottom team relegated to PI.
Premier Intermediate: 8 teams-7 games; top 4 into semi-finals. Winner goes up Senior B. Bottom team relegated.
Intermediate: 8 teams-same format as Premier Intermediate.
Junior (Group 1): 6 teams, format same as Senior A.
Junior (Group 2): 6 teams, same as format for Senior B.
Junior teams selected by a draw into the two groups. Senior and intermediate teams selected on current standings.
I say Junior Group 1 & 2, because I suspect, but don't know, that Junior B already exists in Galway.
12 teams is plenty to have playing Senior. The Senior B's still have a shot at the big prize.
Smaller groups, playing competitively, with a chance of winning something, is the way forward. Even at that, big gaps will still exist between teams. There's no perfect answer.
16 teams at one level is far too cumbersome, with too great a gap between the top teams and those further back.
And whoever said that I didn't have the best interests of Galway hurling at heart???" The Senior B's won't have a 'shot at the big prize' unless the 'big prize' is promotion to Senior A
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 829 - 24/11/2021 18:07:08
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Replying To katser: "Some Clubs through the years broke sweat, blood and tears to win Intermediate to get upto Senior and earned the right to be classed as a Senior Club, so in my view Senior B should remain and also their right as a Senior Club to enter the proper Senior Championship.
It's not the Clubs fault that the Hurling Board decided to raise it to 24 teams and now have to reduce it to 16 teams.
Anyway is it not the Club delegates who decide when it goes to motion." Well to some degree it is the club's "fault" that we have 24 senior clubs as at least 2 of the additions to senior came about as a result of relegated clubs legally challenging their demotion and winning their case in the court / committee room.
This year's one sided games at the knock out stage are something of an aberration as last year we had an extremely competitive championship right through with most games decided by a point or 2. There surely must be serious soul searching going on in Turlough and to a lesser extent in Castlegar and perhaps even in Sarsfields (though as a small club they have a good excuse) as to why they exited the championship early this year. With the quality of player ON PAPER that Turlough have they should be at least reaching the county semi final every year. Just dont seem to deliver somehow.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 24/11/2021 18:45:36
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Replying To katser: "You'd still have a fairly good competitive 16 team Intermediate Championship with the likes of..... Turloughmore, Clairnbridge, Craughwell, Castlegar, Athenry(2nd teams), Kilbeacanty,Kiltormer,Annaghdown, Spiddle,Sylane,Salthill,M.Breanach, S/Mountbellew,Ballygar,Ballinasloe,Barna-Furbo." Are you having a laugh? You've named teams who can't even win Junior A or B for that matter on that list.
Did you watch the intermediate final? It was like a junior game. It's no wonder in recent years we've seen the likes of Kinvara & Ballindereen losing to teams from Mayo in Connacht. That intermediate championship you've named is a junior championship. Out of interest who would even be left in junior if all named above were in intermediate?
Donaldtrump (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 25/11/2021 08:54:37
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As a point of info , its grand saying if there is a Senior B that they should be allowed into the Senior A , but Croke Park have stated that cant happen , so its pointless discussing such things. Yes i can see clubs have spent years trying to achieve Senior status and i understand that but sadly the votes from Cork and Tipp swayed Congress.
I think having a Senior B competiton for the sake of being called a Senior Club wouldnt entice players? A Senior B player would rather be Intermidiate and win that and get a shot at winning an All Ireland and then go Senior A the following year? Thats my view as a player!
I think in the example i gave above you would 4 Groups of 4 in Senior and Inter, which would work group wise and fixtures. Theres no messing with groups of 3 in relegation. Winner of Sen, Inter, Junior represent Galway in All Ireland Series and it also gives all 1st teams the chance to progress if good enough.
puckemhard (Galway) - Posts: 227 - 25/11/2021 09:08:23
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Well to some degree it is the club's "fault" that we have 24 senior clubs as at least 2 of the additions to senior came about as a result of relegated clubs legally challenging their demotion and winning their case in the court / committee room.
This year's one sided games at the knock out stage are something of an aberration as last year we had an extremely competitive championship right through with most games decided by a point or 2. There surely must be serious soul searching going on in Turlough and to a lesser extent in Castlegar and perhaps even in Sarsfields (though as a small club they have a good excuse) as to why they exited the championship early this year. With the quality of player ON PAPER that Turlough have they should be at least reaching the county semi final every year. Just dont seem to deliver somehow." Castlegar are a long time soul searching now, when did they last trouble the business end of the county SHC, is it one SF this century, certainly no final appearance anyway.
Maybe there's no soul there to find after all the searching
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 829 - 25/11/2021 10:01:32
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Replying To puckemhard: "As a point of info , its grand saying if there is a Senior B that they should be allowed into the Senior A , but Croke Park have stated that cant happen , so its pointless discussing such things. Yes i can see clubs have spent years trying to achieve Senior status and i understand that but sadly the votes from Cork and Tipp swayed Congress.
I think having a Senior B competiton for the sake of being called a Senior Club wouldnt entice players? A Senior B player would rather be Intermidiate and win that and get a shot at winning an All Ireland and then go Senior A the following year? Thats my view as a player!
I think in the example i gave above you would 4 Groups of 4 in Senior and Inter, which would work group wise and fixtures. Theres no messing with groups of 3 in relegation. Winner of Sen, Inter, Junior represent Galway in All Ireland Series and it also gives all 1st teams the chance to progress if good enough." I don't think it was the votes from Cork and Tipp that swayed the issue, it was the votes of those many counties utterly unaffected by the issue that made it happen. Classic congress manure. It only really affected Galway and Cork (to a lesser extent). The reason offered appeared to be 'fewer club games' as if this was somehow a good thing.
AFAIK as a result of the congress decision there can only be one up and one down from your top level after 2023 and you can't win your county title from outside the top tier. Below the top tier you're free to organise as you wish as long as you have a max of 16 teams in your top flight with only the Intermediate/Senior B winners going up each year.
16 Senior and Intermediate would obviously appear to be the way to go (as you say) ultimately but reaching that point won't be an easy circle to square.
Might be an idea to keep the top 12 from next year (no relegation to senior B), promote the three Senior B group winners and the Intermediate champions and work from there. That would give 16 teams to start off in 2023. The rest of it further down can be organised internally however we fancy it.
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 829 - 25/11/2021 10:43:23
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