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Replying To Viking66:  "Alot of those Westmeath lads beat Kilkenny at u21 and did well against Kilkenny and Dublin too. They are a fair team. We lost that game because we hit 21 wides and dropped the ball into our own net twice. Kilkenny and Dublin didn't so they beat Westmeath. At the same time we beat Laois by more than KK, Dublin or Galway did. If we don't qualify it won't be because of the draw in Mullingar. It will be because we didn't turn up at all for the 1st 45 minutes against Galway and only played in patches against what has turned out to be a pretty flat Dublin team."
I generally agree with everything you say, but not this time I'm afraid.

I would argue that being the only county among the four with a realistic chance of progressing not to beat both Laois and Westmeath is the biggest reason we (more than likely) won't qualify. Do you think that if Dublin, nevermind serial winners KK, were in the exact same scenario that they'd be taking solace from the fact they beat the bottom side by more than everyone else? This isn't under-10s.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 20/05/2022 15:17:32    2419008

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Replying To logger:  "Your right LRH blaming Davy for our performances this year is laughable. I think mistakes have been made by the players and Darragh Egan. If you take Fanning for example he's had a really bad championship, missed 2 penalties, threw a ball into the net v Westmeath and for their 2nd goal didn't command his area, he should have taken ball, man and all. We also had 21 wide's in that game.

As for management I think we can all agree on here that mistakes have been made from selecting the wrong team, picking a half forward line with no ball winners, conceding the puck out etc... But its Darragh first year in management and mistakes will happen, I've no doubt he will learn quickly.

Anyway lets get behind the boys tomorrow night, I'm confident we can get a result.
LRH: Best of luck to Clare in the Munster final I've never had any issues with Clare and wish ye well."
Cheers logger appreciate it.

Despite what people think I would love Wexford to beat KK. I could go the rest of my life without seeing Cork, Tipp or KK win another AI.

I also agree with another poster earlier who said this KK are nothing to be afraid of. I actually think they are overhyped and living off the reputation of KK teams gone by.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 20/05/2022 15:18:00    2419009

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Replying To Finchfurlong996:  "Most of the key players are close too or are 30. Fanning, Hanlon, O Keefe, Chin, Liam OG, Morris. Sean Murphy (not involved this year I know). Many of these players apart from Morris and Murphy play every game. That is close to the spine of our team. They won't be around in the next two years alot of them. A rebuilding job is coming down the line and we may have a few years of hardship again before we get back to winning things again. Players like Cathal Dunbar and Connal Flood should be regularly starting by now but for some reason are still stuck on the bench and had little championship experience. That's the biggest failure of Davy Fitz reign."
Canning played till 32. TJ and Hoggie are still playing. Keepers can play till their late 30s. MOH is in the best shape he has been in since he was 25. Chin is a great athlete. Dee is only just 30. Absolute nonsense to say any of them will be retired after next season necessarily. Its up to them.
Dunbar is an enigma. Great player underage. Only had 1 good senior game. Against Clare in the championship last year. Has talent to burn. Flood spent alot of his late teens injured. Phenomenal underage player coming up. He couldn't have been picked much any earlier than he was. Problem with our most talented underage players was (is) they just don't have the build for senior intercounty when they are u20. And that isn't Davys or Darraghs fault.
I'd build the team for the next 5 yrs as follows
1 Fanning
2 Donohue or Devitt
3 Ryan
4 S Reck or AJ Redmond
5 P Foley or Joe OC
6 D Reck
7 C Flood or Bailey
8 Dunbar
9 Hearne or Scallan
10 O Foley
11 Jacko or Kevin Foley
12 Dwyer or Mcguckin or Lawlor
13 C Byrne or Pepper
14 Mac
15 Rory
We also have a number of the other u20s from this year and Banville, Casey, Niall Murphy, David Clarke, David Dunne, Higgins
All 24 of the lads named in the 1-15 have some senior experience except AJ. And 19 of them have senior championship experience. Some are our best players currently. And as I said most of the lads like Chin, Dee and the other lads who are 30 this year will still be around the next 2 or 3 years. To say we are facing into a big rebuild is unbelievably negative s###e.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 20/05/2022 15:35:45    2419018

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I think Daire Egan will be better for what he has learned this year with Wexford.

From an outside view, I think the Davy era was a lot of bluster and much ado about nothing to be frank. He never beat a Munster team in the championship, a feat even his much maligned predecessor Liam Dunne did with a young team which Davy took over.

Wexford would have been out of the championship but for Dublin beating Galway in 2019. How differently would you Wexford supporters have judged the Davy era then?

Every week there was stuff in the paper about feuds with anonymous supporters catchcalling him from behind the dug out in a championship match behind closed doors and this sort of rubbish.

Davy didn't sleep walk in to the Wexford job, he was more than clued in to the talented team he was taking over. And he won 1 Leinster title. With 3 U21 Leinster titles, it was hardly earth shattering achievement. There was also very poor defeats where Wexford went down without a fight, e.g. v Galway in Croke Park twice, Antrim in the league, multiple times v Clare, hammered by Tipp in a league semi.

As an outsider living in Wexford, in a way a half-hearted Wexford supporter since the young lads needed a driver to get to matches, I found the whole era all fur coat and no knickers."
Few points Exiled. We won 3 Leinster u21s in a row when KK and Dublin were poor and Galway weren't allowed into the u21. We then lost to Antrim and got bad beatings off Clare and Limerick. We only played Waterford and Tipp once each in the championship from Munster apart from Clare. Waterford reached the AI final the year we lost to them and Tipp won the AI the year we lost to them. So it's not as if we lost to any old Munster teams. And tbh Clare raised their game against us because Davy was over us. We did beat them all in the League over those years which is something we didn't do since the 60s on a consistent basis. Well maybe the early 90s.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 20/05/2022 15:45:50    2419024

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Replying To beano:  "I generally agree with everything you say, but not this time I'm afraid.

I would argue that being the only county among the four with a realistic chance of progressing not to beat both Laois and Westmeath is the biggest reason we (more than likely) won't qualify. Do you think that if Dublin, nevermind serial winners KK, were in the exact same scenario that they'd be taking solace from the fact they beat the bottom side by more than everyone else? This isn't under-10s."
If we had beaten Westmeath we would still be behind Dublin if we lost to KK Beano. It was losing to Dublin that has us where we are. After we lost to Dublin, after drawing with Galway, we knew we would have to beat KK in the last game. Even if we had beaten Westmeath a draw would not be good enough in Nowlan Park since KK beat Dublin. Because Dublin would be ahead of us on head to head.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 20/05/2022 15:50:53    2419025

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Replying To Viking66:  "Canning played till 32. TJ and Hoggie are still playing. Keepers can play till their late 30s. MOH is in the best shape he has been in since he was 25. Chin is a great athlete. Dee is only just 30. Absolute nonsense to say any of them will be retired after next season necessarily. Its up to them.
Dunbar is an enigma. Great player underage. Only had 1 good senior game. Against Clare in the championship last year. Has talent to burn. Flood spent alot of his late teens injured. Phenomenal underage player coming up. He couldn't have been picked much any earlier than he was. Problem with our most talented underage players was (is) they just don't have the build for senior intercounty when they are u20. And that isn't Davys or Darraghs fault.
I'd build the team for the next 5 yrs as follows
1 Fanning
2 Donohue or Devitt
3 Ryan
4 S Reck or AJ Redmond
5 P Foley or Joe OC
6 D Reck
7 C Flood or Bailey
8 Dunbar
9 Hearne or Scallan
10 O Foley
11 Jacko or Kevin Foley
12 Dwyer or Mcguckin or Lawlor
13 C Byrne or Pepper
14 Mac
15 Rory
We also have a number of the other u20s from this year and Banville, Casey, Niall Murphy, David Clarke, David Dunne, Higgins
All 24 of the lads named in the 1-15 have some senior experience except AJ. And 19 of them have senior championship experience. Some are our best players currently. And as I said most of the lads like Chin, Dee and the other lads who are 30 this year will still be around the next 2 or 3 years. To say we are facing into a big rebuild is unbelievably negative s###e."
And there were some good players on last years minor team also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 20/05/2022 15:54:36    2419026

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "We don't think we are world beaters far from it but have done a little more than just draw with Limerick this year, I mean we did qualify for Munster final with a game in hand, not one team in Leinster could say the same.

This narrative that Davy is the source of your problems this year is a joke and needs to be called out. We're you praising Davy when ye performed so well the league? Their didn't seem to be any Davy hangover then.

Managing the performance levels of your team is crucial nowadays. Galway were heralded last year as the team that would put it up to Limerick after the league and they were out of the championship 2 games later. Look at Waterford this year? Peaking for the league. Limerick were flat all league and look at them now, back to their best.

I am only giving my opinion. No need to get so emotional about it. If you disagree you disagree but bring forward some basis for your disagreement rather than having a go and saying generic one liners like "what Davy did is not sustainable and is bound to have an affect""
I'm just jumping in here to say you're dead right on one thing.

It's 100% true that one one team in Leinster can say they qualified for the Munster Final with a game to spare.

Matter of fact, no Leinster team will ever be able to say that.

Well spotted. :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3009 - 20/05/2022 16:01:58    2419030

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Egan's results

Kilkenny Walsh cup draw
Dublin Walsh cup - loss ( hammering)
Limerick - win
Clare - win
Galway -win
Offaly - win
Cork - win
Waterford - loss ( hammering)
Galway - draw
Dublin - loss ( 1 point)
Westmeath - draw
Kilkenny??????????????

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 20/05/2022 16:47:36    2419041

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 204 - 20/05/2022 12:49:36 2418924
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2121 - 20/05/2022 12:50:06 2418925

Coincidence?"
I'd say if I said Limerick will wallop Clare in the Munster final, you'd quickly realise that we are not the same person!

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 20/05/2022 16:52:54    2419043

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Cheers logger appreciate it.

Despite what people think I would love Wexford to beat KK. I could go the rest of my life without seeing Cork, Tipp or KK win another AI.

I also agree with another poster earlier who said this KK are nothing to be afraid of. I actually think they are overhyped and living off the reputation of KK teams gone by."
if there is over hype its outside of KK,certainly not in Kk,all the people I talk to dont think KK are good enough at the moment,for what its worth the consensus is that Limerick are the team to beat again.

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 541 - 20/05/2022 17:09:30    2419047

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Replying To Viking66:  "Canning played till 32. TJ and Hoggie are still playing. Keepers can play till their late 30s. MOH is in the best shape he has been in since he was 25. Chin is a great athlete. Dee is only just 30. Absolute nonsense to say any of them will be retired after next season necessarily. Its up to them.
Dunbar is an enigma. Great player underage. Only had 1 good senior game. Against Clare in the championship last year. Has talent to burn. Flood spent alot of his late teens injured. Phenomenal underage player coming up. He couldn't have been picked much any earlier than he was. Problem with our most talented underage players was (is) they just don't have the build for senior intercounty when they are u20. And that isn't Davys or Darraghs fault.
I'd build the team for the next 5 yrs as follows
1 Fanning
2 Donohue or Devitt
3 Ryan
4 S Reck or AJ Redmond
5 P Foley or Joe OC
6 D Reck
7 C Flood or Bailey
8 Dunbar
9 Hearne or Scallan
10 O Foley
11 Jacko or Kevin Foley
12 Dwyer or Mcguckin or Lawlor
13 C Byrne or Pepper
14 Mac
15 Rory
We also have a number of the other u20s from this year and Banville, Casey, Niall Murphy, David Clarke, David Dunne, Higgins
All 24 of the lads named in the 1-15 have some senior experience except AJ. And 19 of them have senior championship experience. Some are our best players currently. And as I said most of the lads like Chin, Dee and the other lads who are 30 this year will still be around the next 2 or 3 years. To say we are facing into a big rebuild is unbelievably negative s###e."
Very few players nowadays play now past 31. Canning was nowhere near the player he was last year and likewise Hoggie. They shouldn't be expected to ether. Stop calling people negative as well when they point out something you may disagree with. It's reality. A few of these players won't be here in the next few years because of changes in their personal, professional lives plus injuries catch up with ya. My Dad played with Wexford senior's and the juniors back in the day. He said once he was married he knew his days were numbered as a county player. The commitment back then wasn't even half of what it is now. A rebuild is needed with the senior team and that's not necessarily a bad thing. This team have been fantastic. Leinster final in 2019, happiest sporting day of my life! This team won't get back to that level without fresh blood introduced. If that means one or two years of hardship so be it. When we were with Davy, Kilkenny throughout that time we're slowly rebuilding phase (still won a league and two Leinsters!) and their arguably the best team in Leinster with a shout of winning an all Ireland currently. That kinda rebuild is exciting and will rejuvenate the fanbase and the panel. I feel with the seniors it's gone a bit stale at the minute.

Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 20/05/2022 18:23:54    2419060

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Replying To Viking66:  "Alot of those Westmeath lads beat Kilkenny at u21 and did well against Kilkenny and Dublin too. They are a fair team. We lost that game because we hit 21 wides and dropped the ball into our own net twice. Kilkenny and Dublin didn't so they beat Westmeath. At the same time we beat Laois by more than KK, Dublin or Galway did. If we don't qualify it won't be because of the draw in Mullingar. It will be because we didn't turn up at all for the 1st 45 minutes against Galway and only played in patches against what has turned out to be a pretty flat Dublin team."
Alot if our panel won U21 and senior Leinster titles. One win over Kilkenny years ago does not make you world beaters. Agreed the Dublin result is why were most likely out of the championship but that was because we weren't good enough to beat them on the day. We can't keep making excuses for poor performances. Hitting 20 plus wides is bad enough one day but we did it against Dublin also. That's just poor and acceptable at that level.

Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 20/05/2022 18:30:26    2419061

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Replying To mooncat:  "if there is over hype its outside of KK,certainly not in Kk,all the people I talk to dont think KK are good enough at the moment,for what its worth the consensus is that Limerick are the team to beat again."
Think that's the consensus around the whole country! Good for them!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 21/05/2022 09:32:06    2419090

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Best of luck to the lads today. Go out and throw everything at them. We have shown before we can compete with Kilkenny

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 21/05/2022 11:21:10    2419124

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Leaving for Kilkenny soon. Best of luck to the lads today and if we go out I hope we go out fighting.

Loch Garman Abu

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 21/05/2022 12:07:36    2419141

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I really hope we get our match ups right, can't be down early doors against these bucks, they'll put up a score in no time. I think we can do it lads. Loch Garman abú

Up (Wexford) - Posts: 21 - 21/05/2022 12:10:43    2419142

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Good luck to the lads today.
Hopefully clean bill of health, reduce the wides, score our frees and for god sake push up on their puck out. Man for man we are as good as them

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 21/05/2022 12:25:35    2419147

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Replying To Finchfurlong996:  "Alot if our panel won U21 and senior Leinster titles. One win over Kilkenny years ago does not make you world beaters. Agreed the Dublin result is why were most likely out of the championship but that was because we weren't good enough to beat them on the day. We can't keep making excuses for poor performances. Hitting 20 plus wides is bad enough one day but we did it against Dublin also. That's just poor and acceptable at that level."
We have beaten Kilkenny 8 times in the last 14 meetings in competitive games?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 21/05/2022 12:51:57    2419160

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In Kilkenny for the match today.Really hope the lads stand up today and show kk the believe within the panel is still there as we seen under Davy.There is so many things we can improve on frees are the main one ( How seamas casey was never given a chance to Express himself is beyond me ) we need the forwards to pick off scores from play.We have a good team starting so let's hope we get a bit of luck and the believe starts to build during the game because it can be recaptured if we get into there faces.Something has to give. ! Good luck.

Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 21/05/2022 12:57:38    2419161

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Replying To Viking66:  "We have beaten Kilkenny 8 times in the last 14 meetings in competitive games?"
The comment about beating Kilkenny one time was referencing Westmeath beating Kilkenny at U21 a few years back. That was the defense you out up as to why we didn't beat Westmeath.

Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 21/05/2022 13:49:06    2419168

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