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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "The year after Davy left we got into the Munster final (something Davy never managed with Clare).
The year after that we also got into the Munster final and had a replayed All Ireland semi final against Galway.
Clare's performance level improved in the years after Davy left when compared to the shambles of 14/15/16.
IMO it is very unfair to blame Davy for what is going on this year with Wexford. Quite simply, it looked like ye peaked for the league. Some new managers go a bit too hard too early trying to set out their stall and I think that what you are seeing here. I mean ye beat us in Ennis this year in the league, when was the last time that happened? But look at the differences in the teams now.
I think (2019 in particular) Davy extracted the maximum from your panel, a bit like what Brian Lohan is doing now with Clare. With due respect I think Wexford's real position in Leinster is to slug it out with Dublin each year to qualify. I think that is your standard. I dont like DF myself but to blame him for your performance levels this championship is laughable." 100%
Its amazing how this theory got out there and to be fair ive had Clare people tell me the same thing and im looking at them and saying but things improved after Davy left, the stats are there for all to see! No, no, took years to recover, like ok then!
I dont agree our level is to slug it out with Dublin each year, far from it, we are more than capable of beating Kilkenny, more than capable of beating galway but so are Dublin to be fair to them.
But yeah we are where we are not because of whats gone on over the past few years, thats a cop out in all honesty.
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Replying To Past hurler: "Bit of boxing training wouldnt do them any harm.
Toughen some of them up and improve their footwork." For sure. And improve their standing strength and make them more mentally able for the physical contact part of both hurling and football.
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "Disappointing not to see Flood starting. Any possibility Kevin foley could be deployed as sweeper? With Oisin moving to the half forward line and then an inside forward line of Mac and Rory. Kilkenny have struggled to deal with the sweeper in the past." Was wondering that myself. Guess we will find out 2moro.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 20/05/2022 09:45:54
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "The year after Davy left we got into the Munster final (something Davy never managed with Clare).
The year after that we also got into the Munster final and had a replayed All Ireland semi final against Galway.
Clare's performance level improved in the years after Davy left when compared to the shambles of 14/15/16.
IMO it is very unfair to blame Davy for what is going on this year with Wexford. Quite simply, it looked like ye peaked for the league. Some new managers go a bit too hard too early trying to set out their stall and I think that what you are seeing here. I mean ye beat us in Ennis this year in the league, when was the last time that happened? But look at the differences in the teams now.
I think (2019 in particular) Davy extracted the maximum from your panel, a bit like what Brian Lohan is doing now with Clare. With due respect I think Wexford's real position in Leinster is to slug it out with Dublin each year to qualify. I think that is your standard. I dont like DF myself but to blame him for your performance levels this championship is laughable." Agree about Davy. Though I'd have great respect for him at the same time. And about the League. The 5 teams that probably did best in the League, the 4 Semi finalists and Dublin, haven't been that impressive. KK beat a Dublin team that looked way off pace but apart from that didn't look great for large parts of the Westmeath or Galway games. Dublin played like savages in Wexford Park but were really flat apart from that. Ourselves, Waterford and Cork just haven't really got going either. Corks only wiwqn was against Waterford, Waterford only beat a Tipp team missing nearly 10 of the lads that won the AI in 2019. I do believe that peaking at the right time is important. It was always a thing older lads told me back in the 90s when I asked why we hadn't won a League since 1973. When you only have a certain number of top hurlers, like anyone outside the big 3, you just don't have the numbers to give both League and Championship a good rattle. Wexford were in div2 of the League when they won in 1996. Offaly finished joint last with Antrim in 1998. Clare finished last in 1a in 2013 and got relegated from div1 in 1997. Galway were in 1b in 2017. Although they did win the League that year. Limerick were in 1b in 2018.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 20/05/2022 10:03:20
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "The year after Davy left we got into the Munster final (something Davy never managed with Clare).
The year after that we also got into the Munster final and had a replayed All Ireland semi final against Galway.
Clare's performance level improved in the years after Davy left when compared to the shambles of 14/15/16.
IMO it is very unfair to blame Davy for what is going on this year with Wexford. Quite simply, it looked like ye peaked for the league. Some new managers go a bit too hard too early trying to set out their stall and I think that what you are seeing here. I mean ye beat us in Ennis this year in the league, when was the last time that happened? But look at the differences in the teams now.
I think (2019 in particular) Davy extracted the maximum from your panel, a bit like what Brian Lohan is doing now with Clare. With due respect I think Wexford's real position in Leinster is to slug it out with Dublin each year to qualify. I think that is your standard. I dont like DF myself but to blame him for your performance levels this championship is laughable." "I mean ye beat us in Ennis this year in the league, when was the last time that happened?"
Last year?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1460 - 20/05/2022 10:22:56
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "The year after Davy left we got into the Munster final (something Davy never managed with Clare).
The year after that we also got into the Munster final and had a replayed All Ireland semi final against Galway.
Clare's performance level improved in the years after Davy left when compared to the shambles of 14/15/16.
IMO it is very unfair to blame Davy for what is going on this year with Wexford. Quite simply, it looked like ye peaked for the league. Some new managers go a bit too hard too early trying to set out their stall and I think that what you are seeing here. I mean ye beat us in Ennis this year in the league, when was the last time that happened? But look at the differences in the teams now.
I think (2019 in particular) Davy extracted the maximum from your panel, a bit like what Brian Lohan is doing now with Clare. With due respect I think Wexford's real position in Leinster is to slug it out with Dublin each year to qualify. I think that is your standard. I dont like DF myself but to blame him for your performance levels this championship is laughable." I hope Limerick go to town on yea in the Munster final,what Davy did is not sustainable and has to have an affect,the league is a joke,we are suffering and so did ye!!Clare no great shakes drew with Limerick and think ye are world beaters,Limerick down there best few players!!!Limerick stop Tony in final and good luck to ye,average!!!! We are bang average also I might add,this teams race is run,just inject the youth and go from there take the beatings and learn and drive on,out with the old and in with the new start again!!!!
theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 286 - 20/05/2022 10:31:35
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "The year after Davy left we got into the Munster final (something Davy never managed with Clare).
The year after that we also got into the Munster final and had a replayed All Ireland semi final against Galway.
Clare's performance level improved in the years after Davy left when compared to the shambles of 14/15/16.
IMO it is very unfair to blame Davy for what is going on this year with Wexford. Quite simply, it looked like ye peaked for the league. Some new managers go a bit too hard too early trying to set out their stall and I think that what you are seeing here. I mean ye beat us in Ennis this year in the league, when was the last time that happened? But look at the differences in the teams now.
I think (2019 in particular) Davy extracted the maximum from your panel, a bit like what Brian Lohan is doing now with Clare. With due respect I think Wexford's real position in Leinster is to slug it out with Dublin each year to qualify. I think that is your standard. I dont like DF myself but to blame him for your performance levels this championship is laughable." When is the last time we beat Clare in Ennis?
This season and last season
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 20/05/2022 11:05:44
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All these posters getting on here to kick us when we are down.
We drew with Galway
We lost to Dublin by one point
Westmeath result was a disaster no doubt
We could have and should have won all those matches and been on 8 points now if we hadn't missed 2 penalties- dropped balls into our own net, and missed a bucket load ofsimple frees.
Please don't concede puck outs to Kilkenny on Saturday
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 20/05/2022 11:15:54
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Replying To theboys: "I hope Limerick go to town on yea in the Munster final,what Davy did is not sustainable and has to have an affect,the league is a joke,we are suffering and so did ye!!Clare no great shakes drew with Limerick and think ye are world beaters,Limerick down there best few players!!!Limerick stop Tony in final and good luck to ye,average!!!! We are bang average also I might add,this teams race is run,just inject the youth and go from there take the beatings and learn and drive on,out with the old and in with the new start again!!!!" Why are you so negative?
I don't blame Davy for the performance of these players.
I do blame Davy for failing to integrate enough new players.
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Replying To theboys: "I hope Limerick go to town on yea in the Munster final,what Davy did is not sustainable and has to have an affect,the league is a joke,we are suffering and so did ye!!Clare no great shakes drew with Limerick and think ye are world beaters,Limerick down there best few players!!!Limerick stop Tony in final and good luck to ye,average!!!! We are bang average also I might add,this teams race is run,just inject the youth and go from there take the beatings and learn and drive on,out with the old and in with the new start again!!!!" We don't think we are world beaters far from it but have done a little more than just draw with Limerick this year, I mean we did qualify for Munster final with a game in hand, not one team in Leinster could say the same.
This narrative that Davy is the source of your problems this year is a joke and needs to be called out. We're you praising Davy when ye performed so well the league? Their didn't seem to be any Davy hangover then.
Managing the performance levels of your team is crucial nowadays. Galway were heralded last year as the team that would put it up to Limerick after the league and they were out of the championship 2 games later. Look at Waterford this year? Peaking for the league. Limerick were flat all league and look at them now, back to their best.
I am only giving my opinion. No need to get so emotional about it. If you disagree you disagree but bring forward some basis for your disagreement rather than having a go and saying generic one liners like "what Davy did is not sustainable and is bound to have an affect"
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 20/05/2022 11:38:02
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Replying To Yellow: "When is the last time we beat Clare in Ennis?
This season and last season" Hold my hands up, I was wrong about that.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 20/05/2022 11:41:13
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Well then u are blaming him,he trained that group to death and played the same 17 or 18 now they have nottin to give and left the rest of the panel train like mad and got no game time now most of that panel nowhere to be seen!!! The proof is in the results lads fact!!! we are sliding and will keep sliding if we don't change and play all the young lads and create a new generation and culture with the new crop!!! Every team has its time and this teams got a Leinster title and they are done move on!!!great times!!! We will get hidings starting from scratch but it's all a learning curve and we will be the better for it going forward!! To many lads on there last leg
theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 286 - 20/05/2022 11:43:13
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Why are you so negative?
I don't blame Davy for the performance of these players.
I do blame Davy for failing to integrate enough new players." I'm not too familiar with the team and potential players. Just wondering if Darragh Egan started that integration process?
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1479 - 20/05/2022 12:32:32
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "We don't think we are world beaters far from it but have done a little more than just draw with Limerick this year, I mean we did qualify for Munster final with a game in hand, not one team in Leinster could say the same.
This narrative that Davy is the source of your problems this year is a joke and needs to be called out. We're you praising Davy when ye performed so well the league? Their didn't seem to be any Davy hangover then.
Managing the performance levels of your team is crucial nowadays. Galway were heralded last year as the team that would put it up to Limerick after the league and they were out of the championship 2 games later. Look at Waterford this year? Peaking for the league. Limerick were flat all league and look at them now, back to their best.
I am only giving my opinion. No need to get so emotional about it. If you disagree you disagree but bring forward some basis for your disagreement rather than having a go and saying generic one liners like "what Davy did is not sustainable and is bound to have an affect"" Have you nothing better to do...the biggest wind up merchant going. Don't be worrying about wexford and don't get so easily offended with a small bit if criticism that is associated with anything to do with clare:)
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Hold my hands up, I was wrong about that." Has Aaron Fitzgerald recovered from his awful belt last week from Hegarty in time for the Waterford match?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 874 - 20/05/2022 12:46:28
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "We don't think we are world beaters far from it but have done a little more than just draw with Limerick this year, I mean we did qualify for Munster final with a game in hand, not one team in Leinster could say the same.
This narrative that Davy is the source of your problems this year is a joke and needs to be called out. We're you praising Davy when ye performed so well the league? Their didn't seem to be any Davy hangover then.
Managing the performance levels of your team is crucial nowadays. Galway were heralded last year as the team that would put it up to Limerick after the league and they were out of the championship 2 games later. Look at Waterford this year? Peaking for the league. Limerick were flat all league and look at them now, back to their best.
I am only giving my opinion. No need to get so emotional about it. If you disagree you disagree but bring forward some basis for your disagreement rather than having a go and saying generic one liners like "what Davy did is not sustainable and is bound to have an affect"" I'm afraid our friend " The Boys)" is up to his usual negative antics again. He constantly runs down wexford teams and only surfaces when he has something destructive to say
We all are entitled to our views and sometimes honesty hurts but there must be balance in our posting.
Not everything is wrong with wexford hurling. There are issues to be sorted. Yes new blood needs to be found but it doesn't happen overnight. We must keep experimenting and all should be given a fair chance to show what they can do.
I don't think our panel is very strong at the moment but we can only play with what's out there. Let's give Darragh Egan a bit of breathing space. Its his first year and he will learn from his mistakes.
I personally don't believe we will beat Kilkenny tomorrow but with Wexford you never know what you'll get.
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LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 20/05/2022 12:48:03
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "We don't think we are world beaters far from it but have done a little more than just draw with Limerick this year, I mean we did qualify for Munster final with a game in hand, not one team in Leinster could say the same.
This narrative that Davy is the source of your problems this year is a joke and needs to be called out. We're you praising Davy when ye performed so well the league? Their didn't seem to be any Davy hangover then.
Managing the performance levels of your team is crucial nowadays. Galway were heralded last year as the team that would put it up to Limerick after the league and they were out of the championship 2 games later. Look at Waterford this year? Peaking for the league. Limerick were flat all league and look at them now, back to their best.
I am only giving my opinion. No need to get so emotional about it. If you disagree you disagree but bring forward some basis for your disagreement rather than having a go and saying generic one liners like "what Davy did is not sustainable and is bound to have an affect"" To be fair LRH, we're not quite back to our best. Between injuries and lack of game time for some players we're certainly not at the pitch of this time last year.
Don't understand slating Davy on this site. He got the most out of a group that are sadly now on the way down from that peak. And giving other players a run just for the sake of it makes no sense if they're not good enough
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Replying To hunting: "Have you nothing better to do...the biggest wind up merchant going. Don't be worrying about wexford and don't get so easily offended with a small bit if criticism that is associated with anything to do with clare:)" Just pointing out that some of ye need to smell the roses and stop looking for quite frankly ridiculous arguments as to why ye cant even beat Westmeath in the championship. Blaming last years managers for this years performance levels is laughable. It is not a Clare thing, I do not like Davy myself one bit and the circus he brings.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 20/05/2022 12:50:06
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Replying To theboys: "Well then u are blaming him,he trained that group to death and played the same 17 or 18 now they have nottin to give and left the rest of the panel train like mad and got no game time now most of that panel nowhere to be seen!!! The proof is in the results lads fact!!! we are sliding and will keep sliding if we don't change and play all the young lads and create a new generation and culture with the new crop!!! Every team has its time and this teams got a Leinster title and they are done move on!!!great times!!! We will get hidings starting from scratch but it's all a learning curve and we will be the better for it going forward!! To many lads on there last leg" Who do u think are all these players on their last legs?
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