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Replying To Finchfurlong996:  "No reason why Wexford can't do it. If they could find a wealthy benefactor that would obviously help, like it helped Limerick. Surely there's one out there!"
We have some of the best facilities in the country and are financially well off by intercounty standards already. Well ahead of Clare and Waterford for example.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16825 - 17/05/2022 20:33:03    2418256

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Replying To tearintom:  "Since when does being a dual club only count for senior titles?

By your metric sure there would only be 7 dual clubs in Wexford if senior is all that matters!!"
I was making the point no genuinely dual club has won a Leinster Club hurling title ever. And nearly all our clubs are genuinely dual clubs. Think you misunderstood the post.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16825 - 17/05/2022 20:35:05    2418259

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Dead right. I'm not a fan of the "blame the county board" mantra some peddle on here. What needs to be asked is where are we lacking, what specific improvements can we make. There's a Japanese concept of Kaizen which Toyota used to optimise their manufacturing process. Small, incremental improvements and every week/month asking what can we do better.
Clubs are often good at blaming anyone they can. Instead, they need to be thinking "where are we weaker than the best" and act on it. Never mind blaming referees, co. board, or whoever."
Spot on. For all the negative s###e out of Tearintom and Finchfurlong they haven't suggested anything positive that would help a Wexford club win a Leinster at Football or Hurling or help the Senior Hurlers or Footballers improve either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16825 - 17/05/2022 20:37:29    2418260

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Dead right. I'm not a fan of the "blame the county board" mantra some peddle on here. What needs to be asked is where are we lacking, what specific improvements can we make. There's a Japanese concept of Kaizen which Toyota used to optimise their manufacturing process. Small, incremental improvements and every week/month asking what can we do better.
Clubs are often good at blaming anyone they can. Instead, they need to be thinking "where are we weaker than the best" and act on it. Never mind blaming referees, co. board, or whoever."
So when the things that need to be improved are the responsibility of the county board but they just havent done it we shouldnt be blaming the county board!!

Ok then!

Point being the lack of S and C particularly underage

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 18/05/2022 09:54:14    2418280

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Replying To Viking66:  "I was making the point no genuinely dual club has won a Leinster Club hurling title ever. And nearly all our clubs are genuinely dual clubs. Think you misunderstood the post."
So Cuala arent genuinely a dual Club????

What are you actually trying to say?

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 18/05/2022 09:59:46    2418283

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Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 18/05/2022 10:09:31    2418288

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Replying To Viking66:  "Spot on. For all the negative s###e out of Tearintom and Finchfurlong they haven't suggested anything positive that would help a Wexford club win a Leinster at Football or Hurling or help the Senior Hurlers or Footballers improve either."
Been plenty of suggestions such as the manager changing his tactics, getting S and C right underage, scrapping the current split season etc etc.

Youre just too busy spouting on about genetics and parents not making their kids eat dinner to notice!!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 18/05/2022 10:11:11    2418289

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Replying To tearintom:  "So when the things that need to be improved are the responsibility of the county board but they just havent done it we shouldnt be blaming the county board!!

Ok then!

Point being the lack of S and C particularly underage"
Just seen the the beatings ours teams got in the Celtic challenge competition. Very worrying. I've also heard the standard in the county at 13/14 isn't great.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 18/05/2022 10:11:13    2418290

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Replying To Viking66:  "I agree we have been suffering a chronic lack of genuine belief since I started watching in the early 90s with the obvious exception of 96 when Griffin got what was a team that narrowly lost out through the early 90s over the line. Yes in the 50s and 60s we had a great team, and 2 decades of great success kickstarted by 1 of the greatest players to play anywhere ever. We won 4 all Irelands in that time. In the 70 years previous we won 1. The same as Laois and Kerry. And in the 50 years since we have only won 1. Less than the big 3 and Galway, Offaly, Limerick, and Clare. We started at a pretty low base 10 years ago and are now pretty consistently competitive in League and Championship. We have only lost one championship game this year and that by only a single point. And we should of won it. Last year we lost to Clare by 3 after giving them a 10 point headstart and probably should have beaten Kilkenny in normal time. Ignoring 2020 when the season was all messed up by covid and all our hurling panel bar a couple were involved in an intense football championship for 2 months leading in to the intercounry hurling, in 2019 we won Leinster and were very close to getting to an AI final against a team we had beaten and drawn with already that year. We are ever so close. As close as we have been on a consistent basis since the early 90s. And all despite having no AI underage success in over 50 years. So it's disappointing to hear some of the criticism of players and management on this from lads who have no right to expect as much as they seem to. We are still some way off winning u20 AIs I think. Limerick, Tipp, Cork have won multiple AIs at that grade in the last 7 years and Waterford won the other 1. So why would anyone EXPECT us to be winning Senior All Irelands? We are close for sure. Closer than we have been in near 30 years. But not there yet."
This is what I mean. Yet you have lads on here acting as if we've won 5 AIs in the last 10 years and all of a sudden are falling off a cliff. We haven't been this consistently good since the 90s. Crazy talk.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 18/05/2022 10:22:12    2418297

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Replying To tearintom:  "So Cuala arent genuinely a dual Club????

What are you actually trying to say?"
Cuala were founded as Cuala Hurling Club in 1918. They have 3200 active members. Yes they field football teams but they have never won a Dublin Senior club football championship let alone a Leinster club football championship. They would be better known as a hurling club. Its lucky for them you aren't a member. If you were you would be filling forums up there about how they've underachieved being as they have one of the largest playing numbers in the whole county. They are a current day superclub the likes of which we don't have down here.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16825 - 18/05/2022 10:38:06    2418302

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "People over reacting massively I think. We were the better team against Westmeath, more scoring chances created and more scores scored. Two very soft goals conceded that 9/10 times would be dealt with. Play that game another 5 times and I think we win them all.

Won Leinster in 2019 had a great chance to win it again last year. This year we beat Cork Clare Galway and Limerick in the league. In championship we have drawn with Galway lost by a point to Dublin hammered Laois and drew with Westmeath which I mentioned above. That's a good year by our standards and we're still not out of championship. A couple of disappointing results but hard to say they couldn't have easily went the other way.

This is wexford we live in lads, one senior AI in over 50 years. I really think that because Wexford are able to serve it up to the top teams and can on their day beat anyone that people over estimate what we should be winning and the level we should be at. We are consistently the 8th/9th best team in Ireland and have been for a long time. That's it."
The goalkeeper has actually cost us 3 matches. 2 missed pen's in diff games and 2 howlers on Saturday. Could have had an extra 4 points on the board.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 874 - 18/05/2022 10:41:05    2418304

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Replying To tearintom:  "So when the things that need to be improved are the responsibility of the county board but they just havent done it we shouldnt be blaming the county board!!

Ok then!

Point being the lack of S and C particularly underage"
Yes S and C is something we have lagged behind in since the 90s. I've been beating that drum on this for years. Liam Dunne started sorting that at senior level and Davy Fitz continued that on. The main difference between ourselves and other counties is that here lads don't start getting significant gym programmes till they are at least under 15s because people here don't believe lads younger than that should be bulking up or strengthening their core etc. That's what I've been told repeatedly on this by numerous different posters. So our minors are a couple of years behind other minor teams in that regard. Being as most posters on this think we shouldn't be starting younger then it could be assumed that most GAA members feel the same. So of course the County Boards attitude will reflect that.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16825 - 18/05/2022 10:46:51    2418306

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "This is what I mean. Yet you have lads on here acting as if we've won 5 AIs in the last 10 years and all of a sudden are falling off a cliff. We haven't been this consistently good since the 90s. Crazy talk."
TBF i dont think many people are expecting us to win All Irelands, just frustration with losing to the likes of Dublin and drawing with Westmeath when we are better than that.

I think one of the issues across the county is we are slow to change and also a little bit wary of it. And thats across the board, club and county.

I know from my own club for example, a club that would have been traditionally strong but thats over 40 years ago, theres still a constant harking back to "how thinsg were done back then". I fought for the Club to spend money on gym equipment and a coach to develop a programme for the players but again reluctance because thats not how it was done before when we were winning county titles. Its 2022 and we are years behind other clubs in terms of Sand C cos of being a slave to tradition.

We always seem to be catching up at county level, never the ones pushing the boundaries of evolution, i mean when Davy was in charge we heard more **** about it not being the "traditional" was Wexford play which has served us how well exactly since the 60's?

In fact the last time we did push the boundaries for me was when Griffin was in charge bringing in Niamh Fitzpatrick on the psychology side, we were amongst the first to ever do it and look what happened.

Whens the last time we had an academy restructure underage? How does that academy work with schools and Clubs? Look at the success in Limerick as a result of their academy restructure for example, we should be looking at it and more, when Limerick academy started every Limerick manager was brought into a meeting one evening - from senior boss John Allen all the way down to the under14s. They were asked if they wanted their teams primarily to win. Almost every hand went up. But the managers were told that only John Allen's hand - as senior manager - should be raised. The rest should be in situ to develop their hurlers for the long-term good of Limerick hurling. Can we honestly say thats the ethos in Wexford?

We now have a good base but you can see we are struggling underage and being caught up, time for a restructre, underage is where its at imho.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 18/05/2022 10:56:43    2418316

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes S and C is something we have lagged behind in since the 90s. I've been beating that drum on this for years. Liam Dunne started sorting that at senior level and Davy Fitz continued that on. The main difference between ourselves and other counties is that here lads don't start getting significant gym programmes till they are at least under 15s because people here don't believe lads younger than that should be bulking up or strengthening their core etc. That's what I've been told repeatedly on this by numerous different posters. So our minors are a couple of years behind other minor teams in that regard. Being as most posters on this think we shouldn't be starting younger then it could be assumed that most GAA members feel the same. So of course the County Boards attitude will reflect that."
Yep,

Unfortunately theres always been a reluctance and aversion to change in Wexford.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 18/05/2022 10:59:03    2418322

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Replying To tearintom:  "Yep,

Unfortunately theres always been a reluctance and aversion to change in Wexford."
But the easy thing to do is blame that crowd in Wexford Park for every woe. Is your club doing absolutely everything to promote the games and make them fun?

People talk about S&C like it begins once you hit a development squad. Every u8-u10 team in the county should have children doing press ups, planks, squats, etc as part of training. Our club do it and we had parents moaning that they are too small. This is why they are small, and this is when they should be starting to learn how to do them and parents who mean well for their children miss this fact! Its where S&C begins and we did get guidance on how much they should do.
We don't want them lifting 50kg or anything and of course hurling and football skills are priority, but even at that it should be incorporated somewhere in post sessions. Kids will benefit from it even if they don't like it. And it doesn't have to be 50 press ups, the first training week it was 2-3 and go from there, then introduce planks, etc. And we never did it last in the session because it was hard for kids and the last part of the session is something fun to make them come back.

Plenty of clubs in Wexford just want to blame, blame the co. board, blame refereeing, etc rather than saying what can we do better to make our club better. We are a dual club and promote both equally and while there is more interest in hurling, nobody can say we don't give football a fair crack.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1460 - 18/05/2022 12:00:13    2418344

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Read in the paper that Liam Ryan's scan came up with no fractures but is still sore and we won't know until close to Saturday if he can play. Same with Chin who is nursing a dead leg. We will need the 2 lads on Saturday .

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 18/05/2022 12:10:04    2418350

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes S and C is something we have lagged behind in since the 90s. I've been beating that drum on this for years. Liam Dunne started sorting that at senior level and Davy Fitz continued that on. The main difference between ourselves and other counties is that here lads don't start getting significant gym programmes till they are at least under 15s because people here don't believe lads younger than that should be bulking up or strengthening their core etc. That's what I've been told repeatedly on this by numerous different posters. So our minors are a couple of years behind other minor teams in that regard. Being as most posters on this think we shouldn't be starting younger then it could be assumed that most GAA members feel the same. So of course the County Boards attitude will reflect that."
We have to be very careful when talking about S&C as S&C does not mean being in the gym. If we are going to make a difference in the condition of U15s then it has to be done through a change in the training techniques in the field at training and not in a Gym. Give the impression that an U15 needs to be in the gym and you will end up doing more harm that good to these kids as they will do stupid things. What we need to do is get away from the idea that a few laps and sprints will do the trick however most of the people training in clubs will have no idea of what to do and the kids themselves will also be clueless. What people need to learn that it is as important as the skills however it doesn't mean you give up the skills work. There are loads of strength exercises that kids could be doing at home without any equipment but they have to understand what they are doing and why. S&C should be seen as part of the development of a player in the GAA but how much do our Hurling and Football development officers know about it? it has to be an integrated package.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2038 - 18/05/2022 12:12:39    2418352

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is kilkenny -5 picking up money on Saturday?

GaaDon (Tipperary) - Posts: 1 - 18/05/2022 13:01:30    2418370

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "People over reacting massively I think. We were the better team against Westmeath, more scoring chances created and more scores scored. Two very soft goals conceded that 9/10 times would be dealt with. Play that game another 5 times and I think we win them all.

Won Leinster in 2019 had a great chance to win it again last year. This year we beat Cork Clare Galway and Limerick in the league. In championship we have drawn with Galway lost by a point to Dublin hammered Laois and drew with Westmeath which I mentioned above. That's a good year by our standards and we're still not out of championship. A couple of disappointing results but hard to say they couldn't have easily went the other way.

This is wexford we live in lads, one senior AI in over 50 years. I really think that because Wexford are able to serve it up to the top teams and can on their day beat anyone that people over estimate what we should be winning and the level we should be at. We are consistently the 8th/9th best team in Ireland and have been for a long time. That's it."
This is very much a glass half empty attitude if you ask me.

8/9th is selling is a bit short considering we normally finish in top 6.

Why can't 19 be the rule instead of the exception?

I think the most frustrating thing is the progress throughout the Liam dunne era was so clear.

Getting hammered by everyone, losing a closer game to Cork, drawing with the big teams, beating 2 munster teams in championship including the ai champions.

Davy gets promoted, 2 leinster finals, beating kk draw with Galway and a leinster title. Good enough to have got the biggest prize that year but won't dwell on that.

It just feels we've been on a downward curve since.

We've introduced some new players and gotten some positive results but the standout for me is psychological.

You can call it luck either, but to me the body language is off.

Davy was a great fit for Wexford because he understood us.

For Wexford to be successful, we have to tear into it.

Our history as underdogs doing the impossible, the blood in our veins, all that makes us who we are.

It's about much more than pure hurling or s and C.

It's about who we are collectively as a people.

Griffin understood that completely, conran did, meyler did, dunne did.

I'm not sure Darragh does.

Again, you have to be well drilled. You practice until you get it right. The practice again until you can't get it wrong.

There's the basis of a game plan but I don't think the players understand it or believe in it.

Davy got that too. I'm not sure if it's there now.

If our best 15 hurlers play to the best of their ability this weekend we can win.

Is there enough time to get that right?

We'll have to wait and see.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3882 - 18/05/2022 13:29:17    2418387

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You seem to forget Doylerwex that there was many many bad results under Davy. We were hammered by Clare in All-Ireland quarter finals, hammered by Galway at least once, we were hammered by Tipp in a league semi final. We also had Carlow run us close 1 year if I remember right? We lost to Antrim in the league.
Its not as though a flat performance here and there is a new thing. We have had them as long as I followed Wexford.
To be totally frank, I do not miss Davy 1 bit. I really disliked the immaturity, the petulance, the nonsense every time we played Clare. And when all is said and done, who did he blood? He was handed a blooded team with 3 u21 titles in their **** pocket and having just knocked Cork out of the championship. People give out about the man but I think Liam Dunne would have won a Leinster with them lads. The team has got old together and Davy didn't introduce anybody new, he just upped the ante.
Look at Clare after Davy, it took them years to come back. I think we are suffering the same. I wonder are players over trained and have nothing left?
I also feel we let Harry Kehoe, Eoin Moore, Andrew Kenny, Podge Doran, Eoin Conroy go when we could have done with these players as impact subs v Kilkenny last year.
I agree with you I hate people saying we are 8/9th best team, we should be asking questions why. Not just saying "sack the co.board", because that is a nothing answer. As the lads say above do our club coaches know enough about S&C? There are lads coaching teams who think carrying telegraph poles or pushing cars around is S&C training.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 18/05/2022 14:31:24    2418417

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