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Replying To Samson55: "Limerick v Clare today was real hurling. Full of intensity, brilliant scores, fast and furious. Even without some of their better players Limerick were immence and look good to win another all ireland. Im afraid we are light years behind these teams and the immediate future looks bleak. Yes we beat both Limerick and Clare in the League but its a different ballgame.
Let's hope we show up against Kilkenny. There's no magic wand to improve our play but maybe there's much more to this Wexford team and maybe there will be a big game in us next week." There is much more. Thats what's so frustrating.
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Replying To beano: "I wouldn't be surprised that Joe Fortune was overlooked due to the fact he isn't a big name former player. We would sooner hire inexperienced lads from outside the county than give our own lads a try." A lot of your officials dont seem to like Joe.Was that the county Chair who was seen insulting him at half time? If so its crazy stuff.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1767 - 15/05/2022 19:22:36
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Replying To jobber: "A lot of your officials dont seem to like Joe.Was that the county Chair who was seen insulting him at half time? If so its crazy stuff." Was at the game last nights, sitting right behind the Westmeath subs. Both management teams argued for the last 10 minutes of the first half and didn't pay attention to the game, with the Wexford county chairman getting involved with Joe Fortune. He had no business being down on the sideline. Boiled over in the tunnel going off at half time with the players.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 15/05/2022 19:57:24
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Replying To jobber: "A lot of your officials dont seem to like Joe.Was that the county Chair who was seen insulting him at half time? If so its crazy stuff." He alluded to an incident of some sort at HT during his interview for south east radio alright. Very bad form from whoever the culprit is.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 15/05/2022 19:59:36
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We hit 21 wides last night, but the bigger stat is we gave Westmeath 35 scoring chances....most starting from their puck out.
Question: Wexford believe that the short puckout is an advantage, otherwise they wouldn't take so many. So with that in mind what is the logic of giving the opposition the same advantage?
Damien Fitzhenry asked Tommy Walsh what way he liked the puckouts when they played Railway Cup together, (Tommy was playing wing forward)
Tommy's response: "puck it out whatever the hell way you like and I'll deal with it."
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 15/05/2022 20:04:45
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Realistically I would be happy with a good performance against Kilkenny even if we lose
A hammering will set this team back a lot
Egan must go in my opinion and I would be happy if he was shown the door before the Kilkenny match and let the lads go out and hurl and bring the game to Kilkenny- instead of been totally hindered by his pathetic tactics and bizarre team selection
He took off Oisin Foley after scoring two points. Ridiculous decision
I was happy with the half forward line that started yesterday- and we were winning but he then changed it back to his usual one and cost us the game.
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and hoping for different results then this is insanity
We have a team more than capable of winning Leinster this year but the manager seems to have learned nothing from his mistakes
And his decision to not use Oisin Pepper last night after preventing him from play U20s this season is enough for me to stop him getting another season next year
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 15/05/2022 21:11:50
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Right lads we have big game the weekend ok can't make a leinster final but still can qualify 3rd if we put our heads down work like mad and keep pride in the Jersey let's not get caught up in self pity but look forward to the weekend and putting kk to the sword .
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 410 - 16/05/2022 07:17:30
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Replying To beano: "He alluded to an incident of some sort at HT during his interview for south east radio alright. Very bad form from whoever the culprit is." I was sitting right behind Joe and the Westmeath dugout. I don't know what kicked it off as I was paying attention to the game but I witnessed the "incident" myself.
Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 16/05/2022 08:20:04
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Replying To beano: "He alluded to an incident of some sort at HT during his interview for south east radio alright. Very bad form from whoever the culprit is." Was at the game and felt very similar to last years 20s game vs Kildare at times. Westmeath gave our chaps not even a bit of air to breath at times and intensity wise for a much smaller team physically were so intense in their tackle and drive. They are well coached and setup for the players they had available. Craig who played for a few seasons with the Annes has really improved!!! I feel we will see a bounce next week. This senior group have given us excellent days and hopefully they rally groups, forget conceding puck outs and actually go out and hurl!
On the Joe Fortune issue I've said it before and will say again. I watched him last year with my own son and he is a top top class manager and coach. Has now achieved at underage Leinster titles, club championships and this year winning trophies at senior inter county and pulling off the unimaginable yesterday. Anthony Daly spoke very highly of him today on Rte. I watched him yesterday in that altercation which was caused by our county chairman of all people.
96andproud (Wexford) - Posts: 34 - 16/05/2022 09:08:02
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Replying To Tiger1: "Right lads we have big game the weekend ok can't make a leinster final but still can qualify 3rd if we put our heads down work like mad and keep pride in the Jersey let's not get caught up in self pity but look forward to the weekend and putting kk to the sword ." That's the exact attitude we need to face into the weekend. We can not go out with a whimper . We need to restore pride back into the jersey. These lads have shown many times they can compete with and beat Kilkenny. We need to do exactly what Cork did yesterday . Nobody gave them a chance and they went out and didn't give Waterford a second on the ball. We need to hunt them in 2 or 3's and put them under all sorts of pressure . We also need to stop this ridiculous tactic of conceding puck outs and mix up our attacking play between running off the shoulder , ball into space into full forward line and long range shooting . There is always one big performance in us and I hope to god that comes out on Saturday!
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 16/05/2022 09:43:47
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Replying To WEX98: "We hit 21 wides last night, but the bigger stat is we gave Westmeath 35 scoring chances....most starting from their puck out.
Question: Wexford believe that the short puckout is an advantage, otherwise they wouldn't take so many. So with that in mind what is the logic of giving the opposition the same advantage?
Damien Fitzhenry asked Tommy Walsh what way he liked the puckouts when they played Railway Cup together, (Tommy was playing wing forward)
Tommy's response: "puck it out whatever the hell way you like and I'll deal with it."" Unfortunately we only have 1 player up front who can win a ball like Tommy Walsh. If that.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 16/05/2022 09:48:30
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Replying To Tiger1: "Right lads we have big game the weekend ok can't make a leinster final but still can qualify 3rd if we put our heads down work like mad and keep pride in the Jersey let's not get caught up in self pity but look forward to the weekend and putting kk to the sword ." We can make the final but need to win by 15 odd points lol!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 16/05/2022 09:49:38
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Replying To Afinestick: "That's the exact attitude we need to face into the weekend. We can not go out with a whimper . We need to restore pride back into the jersey. These lads have shown many times they can compete with and beat Kilkenny. We need to do exactly what Cork did yesterday . Nobody gave them a chance and they went out and didn't give Waterford a second on the ball. We need to hunt them in 2 or 3's and put them under all sorts of pressure . We also need to stop this ridiculous tactic of conceding puck outs and mix up our attacking play between running off the shoulder , ball into space into full forward line and long range shooting . There is always one big performance in us and I hope to god that comes out on Saturday!" Hope so too Afinestick! Kilkenny will be fighting for their lives too. If Dublin win or draw and we win Kilkenny will be out.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 16/05/2022 10:06:04
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You know what's going to happen if we don't qualify though, and the odds are stacked against us.
You'll get the usual apologists (Hurling Podcast etc.) pointing to the fact that one of Cork or Waterford, and by all likelihood Tipperary barring a miracle, didn't qualify either, so we aren't that bad. Which will fail to mention that we are in the "easier" province, and have a bad record against Munster teams anyway.
We need to face reality. This old chestnut of "Wexford always raise their game against Kilkenny" is a bit of a fallacy. I can remember days not too long ago when Henry himself scored more than Wexford collectively. Aside from the Davy era, which is well and truly over, and our smash-and-grab '04 win, it's been almost exclusively one-way traffic in favour of the Cats under Cody. Does anyone think given our current travails, and the fact there is a series of results that could see Kilkenny exit, that Cody is going to ease up in Nowlan Park?
I really, really hope I am wrong, and I don't want this to be construed as scathing criticism, but I can't see us getting a win there at all. And I don't even think Kilkenny are in an ***** roar of an All-Ireland either which is the most sobering thing.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 16/05/2022 10:09:23
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Replying To Viking66: "Unfortunately we only have 1 player up front who can win a ball like Tommy Walsh. If that." True
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 16/05/2022 10:18:47
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Conceding puck outs is absolute madness. You're assuming the opposition either doesn't have the skill to use the ball wisely or we have the ability to close them down when they move it. News to management …1. we're playing against inter county hurlers who have the skill set to use the ball and that's been proven since the Waterford game and 2. we are incapable of stopping teams moving the ball so please stop this stupid stuff starting Saturday. Savage intensity needed as we know what Kilkenny are going to bring .
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 16/05/2022 10:28:09
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If we win and Galway win then it will be a KK vs Galway final with us in third
If we win and Dublin win it will be a Dublin Galway final and we will finish third and Kilkenny are out
If we win an Dublin and Galway draw it will be a Dublin Galway final and Kilkenny are out
If we beat KK by 15 points we will be in the Leinster Final and I will fly up to Croke Park on a pig.
If we lose or draw we are out.
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 16/05/2022 10:29:28
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Replying To Afinestick: "That's the exact attitude we need to face into the weekend. We can not go out with a whimper . We need to restore pride back into the jersey. These lads have shown many times they can compete with and beat Kilkenny. We need to do exactly what Cork did yesterday . Nobody gave them a chance and they went out and didn't give Waterford a second on the ball. We need to hunt them in 2 or 3's and put them under all sorts of pressure . We also need to stop this ridiculous tactic of conceding puck outs and mix up our attacking play between running off the shoulder , ball into space into full forward line and long range shooting . There is always one big performance in us and I hope to god that comes out on Saturday!" 100% i agree.
Absolutely we can go up there and beat Kilkenny. But to do that will need a complete change in approach from management or for the players to completely ignore what they are being instructed to do.
We need to put them under pressure across the pitch, straight off from their puck out they need to see pressure. We need to push up on them and not give them time to breathe. More numbers in defence with the right balance between running at them from deep and giving proper good ball into the likes of Mac and Rory, only when they have the opportunity to actually win and beat their men.
Go up to Nowlan Park, stand off our men, retreat and concede the puck out whilst either taking pot shots from 80 yards or just drive it long into Mac and Rory hoping they can win the ball on their own and we will be beat out the gate.
Looked at the recorded Dublin V Kilkenny match and watched with horror as Dublin conceded the puckout mostly to Kilkenny, might as well put up the white flag straight away.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1542 - 16/05/2022 10:56:05
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Maybe its time for all of us to cool down a bit. Sacking the manager at this stage of the season would be a knee jerk reaction.
Yes mistakes were made by management. Yes mistakes were made by players. It really frustrates us loyal supporters and I'm sure the team are hurting. They know that we should have beaten Westmeath last Saturday. Darragh Egan is here only a short while. Let's judge him on next years results. Not the league but on championship performances.
He must surely see that we are not playing to our full potential. Playing lads in positions that they are not comfortable in. Bringing on subs that are most definitely not up to the required standard. Maybe he will rethink our tactics and give them more freedom of movement during the game.
Let's forget about last weeks match and go at the cats hammer and thongs. I am convinced that there is a lot more to this Wexford team than what we've seen so far. Self belief is paramount. I wonder would bringing in a psychologist help in this regard. Remember 96, Niambh Fitzpatrick worked wonders for that team. Griffin said she was fantastic and was instrumental in helping to win the all ireland. Maybe its too late in the year to be going in that direction but maybe its a thought for the future.
At the moment things don't look too bright but with time and patience we can drag ourselves back to prominence again. However this will only be achieved by correcting our mistakes and management willing to listen to constructive criticism.
Samson55 (Wexford) - Posts: 103 - 16/05/2022 11:35:11
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Replying To beano: "You know what's going to happen if we don't qualify though, and the odds are stacked against us.
You'll get the usual apologists (Hurling Podcast etc.) pointing to the fact that one of Cork or Waterford, and by all likelihood Tipperary barring a miracle, didn't qualify either, so we aren't that bad. Which will fail to mention that we are in the "easier" province, and have a bad record against Munster teams anyway.
We need to face reality. This old chestnut of "Wexford always raise their game against Kilkenny" is a bit of a fallacy. I can remember days not too long ago when Henry himself scored more than Wexford collectively. Aside from the Davy era, which is well and truly over, and our smash-and-grab '04 win, it's been almost exclusively one-way traffic in favour of the Cats under Cody. Does anyone think given our current travails, and the fact there is a series of results that could see Kilkenny exit, that Cody is going to ease up in Nowlan Park?
I really, really hope I am wrong, and I don't want this to be construed as scathing criticism, but I can't see us getting a win there at all. And I don't even think Kilkenny are in an ***** roar of an All-Ireland either which is the most sobering thing." Not placing any faith in the - we will raise our game for Kilkenny lark. This year we have received two trimmings when we should have been raising our game so you would have to say getting a third one is as likely than raising our game.
I disagree though on Kilkenny, they may not be the best team but beating them is going to be difficult for anyone. They will stay in the game and once they do that anything could happen. Nobody in Munster would like meeting them.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2036 - 16/05/2022 11:35:23
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