(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post
For starters yes they should, and secondly please detail (a) how hurling counties are stifling the game, and (b) how "our boys" destroyed ulster hurling. Details please, come on, don't be making those accusations if you're not gonna back em up. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 25/09/2021 17:51:28 2382892 Link 0 |
. Now Now, Mayo got knocked out of the Qualifiers by a team that were beaten in Leinster by Carlow a mere 3 years ago. So I would hope there is a certain level of respect for Carlow in Mayo. Cool jerseys too. On the doing the double issue - Offaly winning Sam & Liam in 82 & 81 is probably up there with Corks double in 90. timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 25/09/2021 18:10:05 2382897 Link 0 |
Ah here now 9801. As I've said earlier to you that cuts both ways. The chances of success at the highest level in hurling are non existent for counties outside the elite. It has ever been so. That's the way hurling is. The likes of Westmeath, Laois and Antrim take their hurling very seriously. They haven't a hope of breaking into the elite group. Antrim did briefly in the late eighties and early nineties. I was at those games. Antrim inevitably slipped back. It's not a case of county boards of the counties I've mentioned not trying. They try very hard. The hurling elite are way ahead of the rest and always have been. Look at their treatment of Kerry in recent years. I wouldn't lecture hurling pundits about being open minded. What I take exception to is the smug arrogance that at times permeates hurling punditry. I have seen on numerous occasions hurling pundits openly sneering at football. I have listened on many, many occasions to hurling supporters sneering at football. Have you ever heard the "Football is a game for lads that can't play hurling" one? We have two great games in the GAA and like you 9801, I love both of them. We also have a sizeable number of hurling supporters need to get their heads out of their a***s and realise that we have two great games and not just one.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/09/2021 19:51:23 2382907 Link 1 |
Fair enough but by that logic counties that have a stronger interest in hurling shouldnt be expected to promote football either. Hurling, even in areas where its strong ,is a delicate ecosystem and needs protection especially from gaelic football. The closest analogy I can give is that introducing football in these areas would be akin to introducing Japanese knotweed- its invasive, nobody wants it, and it strangles everything in its path
UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 25/09/2021 20:30:48 2382914 Link 0 |
I fail to see any logic in this statement, no matter how hard I try. Let's say for argument's sake that you did indeed have a popular game that was distinct from hurling in "the south". How exactly would interest in "the south" in the evolving new form of hurling kill off the game that was played in your own part of the country, if there was still sufficient interest in that game in your own part of the country to keep it alive? Surely it was fading interest in your own part of the country in that particular game that killed it off? Would be a bit like if road bowling in Cork died off over the next few years, and they blamed people in Leinster or Connacht for it, because of how they never bought into in the first place. Or the sort of outdoor skittles game that's still played in a pub league around North Wexford most summers. Would be like if that died off, and the few involved in it blamed people in Donegal for its demise, because of how those Donegal people never developed or promoted a similar game. Frankly ridiculous all round. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2241 - 25/09/2021 20:33:45 2382916 Link 0 |
Ah, he's all over the place. I was going to reply to one or two of his other posts, but have decided what's the point. On the one hand, he says there's no hurling tradition in those counties and so they shouldn't be "forced" to try develop the game. On the other hand, he talks about an Ulster tradition in a form of hurling that was somehow destroyed by "snobs down south". Think it was Mark Twain who said something about never argue with a fool, because they'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2241 - 25/09/2021 20:36:05 2382917 Link 2 |
All right then. Not Carlow. :) Let's say Waterford instead. The point remains. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2241 - 25/09/2021 20:36:41 2382918 Link 0 |
Greengrass have you been reading my posts, I fully acknowledge it cuts both ways, and seeing as how it cuts BOTH ways football people like Rolo need to stop playing the victim, instead of making out like hurling people are the only ones to blame. My point in a nutshell, as mentioned earlier, is that the vast majority of county boards ignore hurling to the benefit of football,or at least relegate it to a distant second , believe me that's way more influential than the likes of Cyril Farrell or Cusack having the odd dig. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 25/09/2021 21:01:38 2382926 Link 0 |
I have been reading your posts 9801 because they're worth reading. I think you overplay the attitude of county boards to hurling. Some relegate it to a distant second not the vast majority. Playing the victim also cuts both ways. Read UtahBlaine's post. It's a beauty. I think we need to agree to disagree on this one.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/09/2021 10:19:02 2382944 Link 1 |
This is a great thread. In over 4 pages of comment, we have only one participation from a Cork poster! And he's St. Mologga, and more than likely a Limerick man from around Knockdea or Leabamolloga. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1909 - 26/09/2021 10:44:43 2382950 Link 0 |
Well that's a ridiculous statement. If that was the case, what would we be calling other counties? Cork may have underachieved or maybe not. We have won as many all Irelands as any county could hope, but it's been a while since the last. That's like saying Meath can't call themselves a football county, or Mayo etc. Counties tend to follow a favourite code, whether they win or not. You being from a Longford should know better than most. I happen to be West Cork which is predominantly football, however it is not a huge population compared to many other football strongholds. Indeed it pales in comparison in terms population to Mayo and Kerry for example. The fact is, most of the county are hurling and who am I to say this is not right. I would agree with the Limerick poster, who said however that county board involvement should represent both codes equally though. Something that has not always happened in Cork. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 26/09/2021 10:49:04 2382952 Link 0 |
Oh dear !!!!
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/09/2021 11:04:25 2382955 Link 0 |
Baldybadger, I'd posted before you'd posted. And I wasn't reflecting on you, as I agree entirely with what you say.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1909 - 26/09/2021 11:10:39 2382956 Link 0 |
Forever young given the limited number of teams who can win the LiamMcCarthy and given that it will be 17 years and counting next year is not way past time that Cork won a senior hurling title? The last senior All Ireland to come to Cork was won by the footballers in 2010.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/09/2021 11:30:18 2382958 Link 0 |
Dont get your point. What do you mean by attention?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 26/09/2021 12:09:32 2382966 Link 0 |
Top tier hurling isnt a closed shop. There is promotion and relegation every year. It's up to counties to get good enough at it. And the CC should be facilitating and encouraging counties to grow and promote the game. Isnt the promotion of Gaelic Games, including hurling, what the Association was founded for in the 1st place?"]It most certainly is Viking. Promotion and relegation doesn't affect the elite teams in the Liam McCarthy. Is there any relegation from the Munster Championship? Offaly broke in to the elite and now they are gone again. Name me another team sport that has only recorded two new winners of it's primary competition in the last 98 years."]That's surely an indictment of the other 20 odd counties not the 9 or so "elite" counties?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 26/09/2021 12:10:52 2382967 Link 0 |
That's nonsense down here anyway. Which hurling counties are you talking about?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 26/09/2021 12:12:07 2382969 Link 0 |
You wrote: "Football counties shouldn't be expected to develop hurling when there is no tradition". LOL Before the GAA was formed there were very few counties where hurling, in some form, wasn't played. However, gaelic football wasn't played in any county because it didn't exist! There was no 'tradition' of football in Ireland before the GAA was founded. Whether you like it or not hurling is our native game with evidence of the game being played for hundreds of years. Gaelic football is a hybrid that was introduced in the latter half of the 19th century. Our traditional native game is club hurling & camánaíocht. Gaelic football is mixture of rugby and soccer, nowadays basketball. A big round ball is used for gaelic football and in recent times there may be the occasional use of the foot to kick it! baire (Galway) - Posts: 1791 - 26/09/2021 13:40:02 2382989 Link 0 |
Oh look a football thread has turned into a discussion about hurling. You boys have to make everything about yourselves. Typical hurlers. Selfish and small minded. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 26/09/2021 14:33:13 2382996 Link 0 |
And you boys still managed to kill it off despite this. Good. Football is the superior game anyway.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 26/09/2021 14:35:09 2382998 Link 1 |