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Cody Staying Another Year With Kilkenny But When Should He Move On?

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Replying To gatha:  "I am talking about the Tipp team of '09-'14. Kelly Corbet etc. Yes they did contest it and were beaten comfortably by Kilkenny except for a terrible goal let up by Herity."
A poor Limerick beat them in '13 and 14 and took them down to the wire in'12.- a side that was not a patch on the current team.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 15/09/2021 22:52:02    2381021

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Anyone who thinks Richie Hogan's sending off in 2019 was questionable really needs to read the rule book. A blatant red card.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 385 - 16/09/2021 00:19:02    2381032

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Anyone who thinks Richie Hogan's sending off in 2019 was questionable really needs to read the rule book. A blatant red card."
If that was a blatant red then ever game should end up 4 players been sent off from each side.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 42 - 16/09/2021 13:16:42    2381087

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "A poor Limerick beat them in '13 and 14 and took them down to the wire in'12.- a side that was not a patch on the current team."
I will disagree with you saying the team of the last decade is not a patch on today's team. Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett a young Bonnar Maher were better then anyone they have today. andO'Brien and Ryan were very good players. Woodlock and Shane McGrath were better then today's centerfield. In the backs you had a young Paudie Maher and Brendan Maher Fanning O'Mahony were very good players and a goalkeeper that always comes up in the convesation of best ever. Today's team has good players but on the whole are not in the class of the previous team. Losing an odd game here or there doesn't take away from the great games they played for the 5 or 6 years they were on the road.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 300 - 16/09/2021 13:19:37    2381089

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Anyone who thinks Richie Hogan's sending off in 2019 was questionable really needs to read the rule book. A blatant red card."
Most people would agree with you on the red card issue, Claret and blue.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 401 - 16/09/2021 21:10:50    2381191

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Replying To gatha:  "I will disagree with you saying the team of the last decade is not a patch on today's team. Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett a young Bonnar Maher were better then anyone they have today. andO'Brien and Ryan were very good players. Woodlock and Shane McGrath were better then today's centerfield. In the backs you had a young Paudie Maher and Brendan Maher Fanning O'Mahony were very good players and a goalkeeper that always comes up in the convesation of best ever. Today's team has good players but on the whole are not in the class of the previous team. Losing an odd game here or there doesn't take away from the great games they played for the 5 or 6 years they were on the road."
Fully agree on that. Must say I'm slightly worried from a Tipp perspective currently. One player whos regularly first to be brought on wouldn't have got next or near a Tipp panel back then. Hoping Bonnar brings this team forward and not backwards.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3116 - 17/09/2021 10:00:39    2381254

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Anyone who thinks Richie Hogan's sending off in 2019 was questionable really needs to read the rule book. A blatant red card."
100%

I think the real issue that day was the fact that Barrett was on the field as his action on Hogan earlier was also a stone wall red card, and in full view of the ref.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1213 - 17/09/2021 14:17:41    2381319

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Replying To Ban:  "100%

I think the real issue that day was the fact that Barrett was on the field as his action on Hogan earlier was also a stone wall red card, and in full view of the ref."
Exactly

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 300 - 17/09/2021 19:43:10    2381386

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I believe Brian Cody, should have stepped down a couple of years ago. His record probably won't be equalled, but it is time for a new approach. Kilkenny have fallen back into the pack, from their outstanding record over the period 2006 to 2015. The underage teams are not producing the players, as in the past. Galway beat them in the U20 and U17 championships, and were themselves well beaten by Cork in the respective All Ireland finals.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 401 - 18/09/2021 19:20:13    2381498

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Replying To gatha:  "I will disagree with you saying the team of the last decade is not a patch on today's team. Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett a young Bonnar Maher were better then anyone they have today. andO'Brien and Ryan were very good players. Woodlock and Shane McGrath were better then today's centerfield. In the backs you had a young Paudie Maher and Brendan Maher Fanning O'Mahony were very good players and a goalkeeper that always comes up in the convesation of best ever. Today's team has good players but on the whole are not in the class of the previous team. Losing an odd game here or there doesn't take away from the great games they played for the 5 or 6 years they were on the road."
I don't think many on the Limerick Team of '12 '13 and 14 would get on the current team- Hannon and Quaid, who are both playing better now than they were back then, but after that very few

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 18/09/2021 19:39:56    2381502

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "I believe Brian Cody, should have stepped down a couple of years ago. His record probably won't be equalled, but it is time for a new approach. Kilkenny have fallen back into the pack, from their outstanding record over the period 2006 to 2015. The underage teams are not producing the players, as in the past. Galway beat them in the U20 and U17 championships, and were themselves well beaten by Cork in the respective All Ireland finals."
I think cody is doing a good job with the talent he has.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 42 - 18/09/2021 23:56:46    2381550

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "I think cody is doing a good job with the talent he has."
Yeah reaching 3 semi finals in a row with the current squad is good going but the question is if Cody left after 2015 would the next manager be ratified unopposed for 7th season with cody's record from that point.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3789 - 19/09/2021 10:20:31    2381574

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Replying To wexico15:  "Yeah reaching 3 semi finals in a row with the current squad is good going but the question is if Cody left after 2015 would the next manager be ratified unopposed for 7th season with cody's record from that point."
I think the Kilkenny board are made up of hurling realists. They will know better than us that Cody has done an amazing job with the panels he has had. We both know from watching them playing us underage it was only in the last few years that they have started having a few really good young players coming through. Most of the teens they were fairly average. So to have reached a final and 2 semis the last 3 years is I think a really good achievement!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3301 - 20/09/2021 10:34:14    2381790

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I'd miss him if he were gone. The baseball hat, the savage winning mentality and odd sideline bust up, the man is Kilkenny to the core.

For those of us of a certain age he is a link to the past too, remember him playing in the 82 final. Strangely after Kilkenny lost finals in 1998 under Ger Fennelly, then in 99 under himself, won in 2000 and lost to Galway in the 01 semi final, it seemed like he might not get another term.

But he did and he went on to produce the greatest team seen in the game from 2006-2009 and repeated success in a wider time frame 2002 - 2015. 11 all Ireland titles & a bunch of Leinsters & NHL's thrown in. The master really.

I think he deserves another crack at it in 2022 but one thing he might want to change is how open Kilkenny were at the back in this year's semi. For a county that produced JJ Delaney, Jackie Tyrell and Noel Hickey, conceding 1-37 in a game must be heresy. They conceded 1-28 in the 2014 final and shut up shop in the replay.

Looking forward to see what he will do in the next 12 months.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6279 - 21/09/2021 12:14:12    2382028

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Replying To slayer:  "I'd miss him if he were gone. The baseball hat, the savage winning mentality and odd sideline bust up, the man is Kilkenny to the core.

For those of us of a certain age he is a link to the past too, remember him playing in the 82 final. Strangely after Kilkenny lost finals in 1998 under Ger Fennelly, then in 99 under himself, won in 2000 and lost to Galway in the 01 semi final, it seemed like he might not get another term.

But he did and he went on to produce the greatest team seen in the game from 2006-2009 and repeated success in a wider time frame 2002 - 2015. 11 all Ireland titles & a bunch of Leinsters & NHL's thrown in. The master really.

I think he deserves another crack at it in 2022 but one thing he might want to change is how open Kilkenny were at the back in this year's semi. For a county that produced JJ Delaney, Jackie Tyrell and Noel Hickey, conceding 1-37 in a game must be heresy. They conceded 1-28 in the 2014 final and shut up shop in the replay.

Looking forward to see what he will do in the next 12 months."
But the well has dried up. I thought Eoin Larkin's comment, after the the Cork/Limerick game, was telling. He said 'Thank God Kilkenny did not qualify for the final'.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 21/09/2021 17:19:01    2382114

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Kilkenny would have done a better job than Cork on the day but would definitely have lost. But yeah Kilkennys backs... specifically the halfbacks aren't great

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1572 - 21/09/2021 18:49:43    2382133

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But the well has dried up. I thought Eoin Larkin's comment, after the the Cork/Limerick game, was telling. He said 'Thank God Kilkenny did not qualify for the final'."
To be fair, Larkin could have said the same about any other county.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1499 - 21/09/2021 19:52:58    2382146

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "To be fair, Larkin could have said the same about any other county."
Yes Cat, I grant you that, but KK were the last team to beat Limerick, when the chips were really down, and I also feel that your boys would have given us a far better game than Cork did a few weeks back. I am deeply conflicted about whether Brian Cody should call it a day or not. From his own viewpoint he is absolutely nailed down as the greatest Manager of all time. It was one thing to win a four in a row with the '06-'09 team but to wring another four out of the '11 to '15 was something else seeing as three of those finals went to replays. However it will surely take a few more years for KK to get back to the top and are his methods and tactics attuned enough to the modern game, which is much changed even from seven or eight years back.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 21/09/2021 20:53:31    2382168

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yes Cat, I grant you that, but KK were the last team to beat Limerick, when the chips were really down, and I also feel that your boys would have given us a far better game than Cork did a few weeks back. I am deeply conflicted about whether Brian Cody should call it a day or not. From his own viewpoint he is absolutely nailed down as the greatest Manager of all time. It was one thing to win a four in a row with the '06-'09 team but to wring another four out of the '11 to '15 was something else seeing as three of those finals went to replays. However it will surely take a few more years for KK to get back to the top and are his methods and tactics attuned enough to the modern game, which is much changed even from seven or eight years back."
Regarding Cody, ballydalane's comment earlier on this topic pretty much sums my thoughts:

"In defence of Cody, I honestly don't think there's another manager in Kilkenny who would do better with that group of players. There's no one saying "he should be winning All Irelands with the talent at his disposal". He wrings every last ounce out of them. But on balance I think he should have stepped aside a couple of years ago to let someone else have a go, if only just to have a fresh face in charge, new ideas etc. The guy just doesn't think like that, though"

It's hard to know whether Kilkenny would have offered a better challenge than Cork. The Cody factor, with his huge experience of All-Ireland finals, could have made a difference. But I don't think Kilkenny, or any other county, would have beaten Limerick this year, the only question is how many points they would have lost by.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1499 - 21/09/2021 21:34:05    2382186

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Regarding Cody, ballydalane's comment earlier on this topic pretty much sums my thoughts:

"In defence of Cody, I honestly don't think there's another manager in Kilkenny who would do better with that group of players. There's no one saying "he should be winning All Irelands with the talent at his disposal". He wrings every last ounce out of them. But on balance I think he should have stepped aside a couple of years ago to let someone else have a go, if only just to have a fresh face in charge, new ideas etc. The guy just doesn't think like that, though"

It's hard to know whether Kilkenny would have offered a better challenge than Cork. The Cody factor, with his huge experience of All-Ireland finals, could have made a difference. But I don't think Kilkenny, or any other county, would have beaten Limerick this year, the only question is how many points they would have lost by."
They would have lost by far fewer points than Cork, I'm almost sure of that. Limerick would have beaten any other team in that final, but Cork's performance also has to be questioned.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 21/09/2021 23:32:22    2382214

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