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Cody Staying Another Year With Kilkenny But When Should He Move On?

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The way things are going limrik might not be around much longer!!
All that intense training have them dropping like flies with knees buckling!
Some of them will hardly be able to walk in 10yrs time when they will be mid - late 30's!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1394 - 14/09/2021 16:18:35    2380673

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yes he is greatest coach of all time and we wont see another like him ever but when should he move on and Kilkenny look to the next coaches?
Hasnt won an all ireland since 2015 yes keeps winning Leinster but no big deal about that. only 6 times since taking over has that not happened.
surely it would be better at some stage to move on?
There 20+ years. what more does he have to prove?"
Think they have done really well with the hurlers he has had coming through.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3301 - 14/09/2021 16:40:32    2380684

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Replying To katser:  "The way things are going limrik might not be around much longer!!
All that intense training have them dropping like flies with knees buckling!
Some of them will hardly be able to walk in 10yrs time when they will be mid - late 30's!!"
As a rule its wise to ignore you, but some things deserve a response.... That's a miserable post.

The fact that you use a players injury to indulge your weird fixation with Limerick is just pitiful.

Admin, will you cop on a bit regarding what you allow this halfwit post or else at least let responses up without censorship..

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 904 - 14/09/2021 16:51:03    2380690

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Replying To baire:  "Off on your rant again I see! Where is it written that Limerick lack skill? Don't be ridiculous!"
Not really. I am just challenging what appears to be a perception that present day teams, that are successful, are purely based on Strength and Condition and that modern day hurlers have to be all way over six feet. Peter Casey is not that much taller than Davy Clarke, yet he had five points scored from play by the twenty fifth minute of an All Ireland Final and his brother Mike who is about the same height, out played a full forward, Johnny Glynn, who was well over six inches taller that him in an AIF, as well as lording it over Seamus Callanan, and other bigger men. Mulcahy is also well under six feet and without him Limerick would certainly not have won in '18.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 14/09/2021 17:09:16    2380693

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "It depends what you mean by 'manager' and 'all time'.

Tommy Maher guided Kilkenny to 7 Senior All-Ireland titles between 1957 and 1975."
And broke the Tipp hoodoo in 1967 with a more physical Kilkenny.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1561 - 14/09/2021 17:20:44    2380700

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Replying To baire:  "Have you seen the photo with the caption, The evolution of the Limerick half back line:
Davy Clarke 1996, 5' 5"
Kyle Hayes, 2021, 6' 5"
A pic of both having a pint, Hayes towering over Clarke and he having to strain his neck to look up at him!"
Yet the Limerick team of the thirties had a huge half line as well in Mickey Cross a Great granduncle of Hayes, Paddy Clohessey and Garrett Howard. Even seeing those boys as old men as well as Timmy Ryan, Mick Hickey, Jim Roche, Dick Stokes Tommy Cooke and Paddy McMahon one could not but be impressed by their height and build. Very few teams composed of small men, with the possible exception of Cork, in '99, have ever won ultimate honours.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 14/09/2021 17:22:43    2380701

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Replying To Mailman98:  "They're not winning an All-Ireland anytime soon so it doesn't make much difference who is manager. God help them when TJ goes. It just shows it's the players and not the manager who win All-Irelands. A blind man could train this Limerick team to win again in 2022."
It's a combination of both players and manager in my opinion. As someone said, after Liam Sheedy stepped away from Tipp in 2010, their standards dropped and they didn't win another All Ireland until he came back for a second term. Practically the same group of players, for the most part.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1181 - 14/09/2021 17:30:04    2380705

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Replying To katser:  "The way things are going limrik might not be around much longer!!
All that intense training have them dropping like flies with knees buckling!
Some of them will hardly be able to walk in 10yrs time when they will be mid - late 30's!!"
What expertise have you to make a pronouncement like that. Eamon Cregan had a cruciate injury nearly forty years ago, late in his long career, and at 75 years old he is still bounding around. Ger Hegarty had it done about 25 years ago and he is showing no ill effects. Sean Finn had one repaired a few years back and that did not go too bad. With the standard of treatment improving all the time they should all be fine when they embark on their retirements of eternal fame. I know you wish our boys no good, but don't be pinning your hopes on them all going on Zimmer Frames before they are forty.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 14/09/2021 17:32:35    2380706

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Looking at Cody the line he has faded alot in the last 2-3 years, you'd wonder for his wellbeing is it best to stay on, he's a retired school principal so as mentioned in a previous post I'd say it's an obsession as much as anything else.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3789 - 14/09/2021 17:41:15    2380709

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Replying To endgame:  "And broke the Tipp hoodoo in 1967 with a more physical Kilkenny."
How many Cork teams did Jim Barry train and even helped Limerick back in '34 and Dr Eamon O'Sullivan in Kerry..

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 14/09/2021 17:53:36    2380712

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Replying To Bon:  "More power to him. A great man."
Jeez your head couldn't be any further up his backside.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3789 - 14/09/2021 18:03:38    2380718

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Replying To ballydalane:  "It's a combination of both players and manager in my opinion. As someone said, after Liam Sheedy stepped away from Tipp in 2010, their standards dropped and they didn't win another All Ireland until he came back for a second term. Practically the same group of players, for the most part."
Yes if Sheedy stayed on after 2010, Tipp would have won a couple of more All Irelands back then. The Manager matters a lot. Hard to replace the likes of Jim Gavin as the Dubs are finding out. I think Dooher/Logan did a brilliant job with Tyrone this year and had their team so well prepared for the Final.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1561 - 14/09/2021 18:11:26    2380720

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Replying To endgame:  "And broke the Tipp hoodoo in 1967 with a more physical Kilkenny."
I was at that match and I can tell you Tipp were every bit as physical,look at the Tipp team,it was a good physical but fair match.

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 500 - 14/09/2021 18:58:53    2380726

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Replying To ballydalane:  "It's a combination of both players and manager in my opinion. As someone said, after Liam Sheedy stepped away from Tipp in 2010, their standards dropped and they didn't win another All Ireland until he came back for a second term. Practically the same group of players, for the most part."
They won it in 2016 with Michael Ryan.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 948 - 14/09/2021 19:37:21    2380733

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Replying To ballydalane:  "It's a combination of both players and manager in my opinion. As someone said, after Liam Sheedy stepped away from Tipp in 2010, their standards dropped and they didn't win another All Ireland until he came back for a second term. Practically the same group of players, for the most part."
They won in 2016 under Mick Ryan, with probably a better final performance than either 2010 or 2019 under Sheedy.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 324 - 14/09/2021 19:53:22    2380735

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Replying To endgame:  "Yes if Sheedy stayed on after 2010, Tipp would have won a couple of more All Irelands back then. The Manager matters a lot. Hard to replace the likes of Jim Gavin as the Dubs are finding out. I think Dooher/Logan did a brilliant job with Tyrone this year and had their team so well prepared for the Final."
Coach Eamon O'Shea departed with Sheedy after 2010, and some Tipp people would say that he was at least as big a loss as Sheedy. He was there again as coach in 2019. John Kiely is a brilliant manager but would Limerick have achieved as much without Paul Kinerk? Sometimes we overestimate the importance of the manager and don't give enough credit to the backroom team, but maybe Cody has been the exception.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 324 - 14/09/2021 20:04:02    2380738

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "What expertise have you to make a pronouncement like that. Eamon Cregan had a cruciate injury nearly forty years ago, late in his long career, and at 75 years old he is still bounding around. Ger Hegarty had it done about 25 years ago and he is showing no ill effects. Sean Finn had one repaired a few years back and that did not go too bad. With the standard of treatment improving all the time they should all be fine when they embark on their retirements of eternal fame. I know you wish our boys no good, but don't be pinning your hopes on them all going on Zimmer Frames before they are forty."
I'm only saying it out of concern for the human body, like they are not machines! These things happen and its terrible misfortune, knees are very important and with seriously intense training men need time to rest!
I'd hate for any individual to have problems 10/15yrs ahead from been over trained as young fellows. God bless them it's a horrible thing to happen.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1394 - 14/09/2021 20:09:29    2380739

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Replying To midlands:  "They won in 2016 under Mick Ryan, with probably a better final performance than either 2010 or 2019 under Sheedy."
Kilkenny , Tipp's opponents were a lot a better team in 2010 going for 5 in a row than they were in 2016. Tipp beat Kilkenny very easily in 2019 but of course they had an extra man for much of the game.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1561 - 14/09/2021 20:19:44    2380744

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Replying To endgame:  "Kilkenny , Tipp's opponents were a lot a better team in 2010 going for 5 in a row than they were in 2016. Tipp beat Kilkenny very easily in 2019 but of course they had an extra man for much of the game."
There wasn't really much between Tipp and Kilkenny in 2010 until the last ten minutes when Tipperary's subs Callanan (2), Dunne and Hennessy knocked over four points, followed by Corbett's third goal to clinch it - all that after KK had lost Sheffin early on. I agree the KK team of 2016 wasn't as good as 2010, but they were reigning champions and going for three in a row. In my view it was Tipp's best final display of modern times, and certainly better than 2019.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 324 - 14/09/2021 21:33:48    2380756

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Replying To ballydalane:  "It's a combination of both players and manager in my opinion. As someone said, after Liam Sheedy stepped away from Tipp in 2010, their standards dropped and they didn't win another All Ireland until he came back for a second term. Practically the same group of players, for the most part."
I would not say they were the same group of players that played in 2010 as '16. When I checked it I was surprised to find that only five Tipp players started in both finals, three Mahers, Mikie Cahill and Noel McGrath, while Seamus Callanan came on as a sub, otherwise none of the subs that came on either game took part in the other. As I say I was surprised the turnover was so large.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3262 - 14/09/2021 23:03:10    2380775

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