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Replying To wexico15:  "Also if all your looking for is gripes you'll never find a system to keep you happy as I think a perfect system in impossible to find. I taught there was flaws to option B but the pros outweighed the cons."
Option B with spots for the Provincial Champions rather than Div 3 & 4 champions would have had a better chance.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 107 - 27/10/2021 11:40:39    2387566

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Replying To brianb:  "Option B with spots for the Provincial Champions rather than Div 3 & 4 champions would have had a better chance."
I wouldn't have been opposed to that like yourself but I'm sure others would have picked a gripe with it, way of the world weather we like it or not.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3682 - 27/10/2021 12:12:03    2387570

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Replying To wexico15:  "That 4 in a row was 100 years ago, literally nothing to do with this debate. The qualifiers actually worked quite well for the 1st 10 years or so of their existence but they've been running out of steam for the last 7 or 8 years, it all comes back to the provincials. Leinster was very competitive 2001-5 and even in the 5 or 6 years after that Dublin actually got competitive games in the province, Munster was Cork or Kerry unfortunately Cork have fallen back in recent years. Connacht and Ulster were competitive. Interesting listening to Kieran Shannon last week he believes the change of the league from 1A,1B,2A,2B to Div 1,2,3,4 improved the league but made the championship worse almost creating a cartel of the top 4-6 teams."
If lower teams want more football , let Div4 teams meet each other, the 4 winners play the bottom 4 from Div 3, on other side the top 4 from Div 3 v the bottom 4 from Div 2, get it down to last 4 and they join the top 12 in open draw. Plenty of football for teams of their own standard.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 923 - 27/10/2021 12:21:34    2387571

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Replying To brianb:  "Option B with spots for the Provincial Champions rather than Div 3 & 4 champions would have had a better chance."
That does sound like a better option, there needs to be a proper prize for winning the province otherwise the provincial systems will be dead 130 years of history wiped out in 1 foul swoop.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13621 - 27/10/2021 12:28:06    2387573

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Replying To brianb:  "Option B with spots for the Provincial Champions rather than Div 3 & 4 champions would have had a better chance."
Supporters of Proposal B have already said they would oppose any provincial link and still want a Div 3 or 4 champion in. The 7th and 8th teams are still gone. Lots of people saying that's how leagues work. It's not. No county does this with their club championship. Norwich aren't in the Champions League because they won the Championship. Counties want a tiered championship. That's fine. But just have the same structure as hurling or ladies football or the clubs instead.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 439 - 27/10/2021 12:52:13    2387580

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Replying To Saynothing:  "If lower teams want more football , let Div4 teams meet each other, the 4 winners play the bottom 4 from Div 3, on other side the top 4 from Div 3 v the bottom 4 from Div 2, get it down to last 4 and they join the top 12 in open draw. Plenty of football for teams of their own standard."
That's exactly what opinion B offered. A provincial round robin in winter/spring and then 7 league/championship games for every team in the country with knockout places, promotion and relegation on the line against teams in theory of their own standard.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3682 - 27/10/2021 12:55:39    2387582

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Replying To wexico15:  "That's exactly what opinion B offered. A provincial round robin in winter/spring and then 7 league/championship games for every team in the country with knockout places, promotion and relegation on the line against teams in theory of their own standard."
It offered knockout places to teams competing 3 division below the likes of Kerry, Mayo, Donegal. Took the concept of a league and turned it upside down. That's why B failed and will fail again until Div 3 and 4 sides accept that should fight their way up or win the provincial if they want to compete for Sam.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 439 - 27/10/2021 13:09:52    2387584

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Interesting discussion last night Colm Keys of the Indo brought up the Cork CEO addressing the Div 3 and 4 winners issue at congress making the comparison of the Joe Mcdonagh finalists in hurling playing a preliminary quarter final, Colm is of the suspicion that there's more of a faternity feel to the hurling where the Liam McCarthy level teams are happy to see lower level teams progress and get an opportunity like Laois beating Dublin in 2019, in football he suspects the stronger counties are happy enough to keep the lower teams where they are and not progress and become more competitive.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3682 - 27/10/2021 13:33:42    2387590

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