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Should Unvaccinated Fans Be Allowed Into Croke Park?

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "That's not an adequate check, that doesn't prove the person presenting the QR code is the same person who is vaccinated and that's why I said it would take too many man hours to "adequately" check."
True. They need to prove they are the person on the certificate. They'd have to setup some style of online checkin with ticket, ID and COVID cert verified before they land at Croke Park. Messy enough alright.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6284 - 26/08/2021 16:01:23    2375015

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There have been issues at a lot of Premiership games with the new checks due to Covid, it theory should not be an issue but everyones tickets are now on the phones and scanning is taking longer.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2091 - 26/08/2021 16:22:23    2375018

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Vaccination doesn't stop spread, so what's the reasoning for not letting unvaccinated attend?

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 203 - 26/08/2021 16:24:56    2375019

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Well considering the vaccines were only developed in response to covid and there is multiple strains of the disease always emerging then the vaccines wont be effective against all of those strains we cant just go oh most people are now vaccinated lets get back to normal and forget covid ever existed.
its not embarrassing at all there is restrictions still allowed
it isnt GAA bashing but GAA havent helped themselves like look at crowds at some games in croke park and you see loads of people not wearing masks etc and these are trial events where theyre meant to."
100% correct mask wearing at has matches is very poor I was the only one at a club match recently wearing a mask. The all Ireland was a joke I would say nearly 1 percent was wearing them. Then seeing managers throwing the same bottle of water to different players. Vaccines are only a tool for us in the fight against covid it will not eradicate it. Masks are not going away any time soon and I agree with this. People just want to look after their own self interest and to hell with everyone else.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 26/08/2021 16:42:11    2375021

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Replying To joeteor:  "Vaccination doesn't stop spread, so what's the reasoning for not letting unvaccinated attend?"
Look, the people who done their bit to try and protect themselves, their families and the people around them and who want society to return to some form of normality should be given priority over wackos and nut jobs who educate themselves on Facebook and TikTok.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 26/08/2021 16:44:43    2375023

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "This whole Covid sitution is getting rather silly and ridiculous at this stage. Would people rather look at empty stadiums for the rest of time? If people want to wear masks, fine, and if they don't want to wear them, fine also. This has been going on for nearly two years now and its time people moved on and got back to normal, otherwise what is the point of the vaccine? We have nearly 90% of our entire population fully vaccinated, what's going on in this country? Its embarrassing that their are still restrictions on the amount of people can attend sporting events (still only 200 'allowed' into a club game) when as many people as you like can ram into a pub or beer garden watch a match on TV. A lot of this is GAA bashing that non GAA people love to do. If anything their should be even more people allowed into Croke Park for the All Ireland football final! The GAA cant hold peoples hand and glue a mask to their face, or bar them from socializing before or after the game. People have been put through hell for the last eighteen months, its time to move on."
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The restrictions were to give time for a vaccine to be found which it has been. Considering Covid is now in every country in the world, it's here to stay. So with the vaccines now produced it is time to open up as close to normal as possible. If not now, then when?

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 748 - 26/08/2021 16:57:11    2375024

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Look, the people who done their bit to try and protect themselves, their families and the people around them and who want society to return to some form of normality should be given priority over wackos and nut jobs who educate themselves on Facebook and TikTok."
Somebody getting vaccinated doesn't protect people around them, because you can still catch and spread it just as before. Not that I want to derail the thread and I'm not anti vaccination, I have my double jab. Some of it doesn't make sense to me is all, seems like vaccines are being incorrectly associated with the stop of spread.

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 203 - 26/08/2021 17:00:20    2375025

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Yes!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 26/08/2021 17:06:09    2375027

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Replying To joeteor:  "Somebody getting vaccinated doesn't protect people around them, because you can still catch and spread it just as before. Not that I want to derail the thread and I'm not anti vaccination, I have my double jab. Some of it doesn't make sense to me is all, seems like vaccines are being incorrectly associated with the stop of spread."
Yes people only hear what they want to hear. Vaccine is only one of the tools to fight this. It is not magic.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 26/08/2021 17:10:06    2375028

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No.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2470 - 26/08/2021 18:10:50    2375040

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Replying To ecad123:  "Yes people only hear what they want to hear. Vaccine is only one of the tools to fight this. It is not magic."
What's the other way out of this?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10820 - 26/08/2021 18:40:30    2375047

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With the Delta variant, an asymptomatic person can still transmit infection to others, sure. However, it's not quite as much, and you will be infectious for a shorter period.

People primarily should vaccinate to increase protection for themselves, and to reduce consequences on their loved ones and on the health service.

Anything that reinforces that message is alight with me - even if, logically, wearing a mask would do more to protect someone sitting beside you than your being vaccinated would.

The anti-vaccers are mentally disordered, frankly. They need help; but they do not merit serious engagement on an intellectual level. Unfortunately, we live in an age where parity of esteem must now be given to all opinions, no matter how perfervid some of those opinions might be. That fluffy, politically correct stuff flies in the face of rationality. Just as with seat belts and not smoking in public places, there really is no need to enter into dialogue with the weak-minded. Unless you have good medical grounds for not being vaccinated (certified by a Dr), vaccination should be compulsory, just like seat belts. Public policy should not be set by twitter-fed groupthink mobs. Make it compulsory and stop pussy-footing around.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1070 - 26/08/2021 19:01:14    2375050

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Replying To yew_tree:  "What's the other way out of this?"
Social distancing, wear a mask, regular hand washing, limit social contacts etc. Doing those things seems to have stopped the regular flu and colds outbreaks it seems or at least has severely curtailed them.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1801 - 26/08/2021 19:39:14    2375057

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Replying To yew_tree:  "What's the other way out of this?"
Just time and patience. Mask wearing , testing hopefully new medicine I would say. But this is the new normal and can't see being back to normal for at least 2 years if we ever are. I hope I'm wrong!

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 26/08/2021 20:06:27    2375062

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calling people who arent vaccinated nut jobs is a bit out of order ...the fact remains that the vaccines were put together quickly and therfore havent undergone the same stringent clinical trials as other vaccines some people just may want to wait and see for a little longer
instead of being labelling people nut jobs just respect their choice ...not saying we should get in everywhere and everything else but we should at least be free to choose for ourselves

Peadarw (Donegal) - Posts: 15 - 26/08/2021 20:56:44    2375075

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Only way out of this is normal living and a bit of common sense, otherwise you're stuck with it.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8277 - 26/08/2021 20:59:26    2375077

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For now yes.
Once all the groups are fully vaccinated then I couldn't care about the anti vaxxer nuts

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 26/08/2021 22:14:45    2375100

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NO

germac (Down) - Posts: 353 - 26/08/2021 22:45:34    2375109

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Replying To Peadarw:  "calling people who arent vaccinated nut jobs is a bit out of order ...the fact remains that the vaccines were put together quickly and therfore havent undergone the same stringent clinical trials as other vaccines some people just may want to wait and see for a little longer
instead of being labelling people nut jobs just respect their choice ...not saying we should get in everywhere and everything else but we should at least be free to choose for ourselves"
Ok ,well not call them nut jobs, what about ,Headers ,spacers,...............

germac (Down) - Posts: 353 - 26/08/2021 22:49:21    2375111

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Replying To Breezy:  "For now yes.
Once all the groups are fully vaccinated then I couldn't care about the anti vaxxer nuts"
Typical left wing ideologue.
This vaccine was rushed through by panicked leaders who wanted to reopen society quickly in order to get their economies moving again. Millions upon millions of smiling people had taken it before it even gained approval (it was approved initially under emergency legislation).
If you want to label anyone a "nut" (very original btw), how about taking a pop at the journalists who refused to disclose the reason for that young footballers death (and God knows what else they've been hiding).

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 951 - 26/08/2021 23:02:38    2375114

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