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Are Galway not in the under 20 leinster c/ship?now as far as I know their minors are now in leinster aswell..think this will help in future...I mentioned in a post a few months back about player power in Galway and I was told no proof and more or less shut up,I didn't know what I was talking about..limerick have no minor title since 1984 at national level but they have managed a couple of 21s..I asked on Galway forum of the first of the five in a row minor teams how many are involved now with seniors?i also think the Gaa hasn't helped counties by lowering age to under 17..a lot of talk now that son needs to be replaced..the job was free 2 years ago not many from Galway wanted the job..who is likely to take it on?by all accounts a lot don't want lynskey after defeat the other night.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2206 - 20/08/2021 12:56:20 2373325 Link 0 |
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It's an interesting one. I was talking to someone involved in Galway hurling who said that they pick the best squad to win a minor All-Ireland, rather than a squad most likely to produce senior players. What he meant was that lads who were skillful and quick, but small in size, were being picked instead of bigger players who need lots of work on their skills but would be better able for senior hurling. Looking at the u20 game the other night, nearly all the best athletes on the field were wearing Cork jerseys. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 20/08/2021 13:01:29 2373329 Link 0 |
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There is no doubt that Galway have some serious talent at underage level, but most of them seem to fall off a cliff between Minor (U-17) and U-20. At Minor level they are still living at home, still in school and a lot easier to control, but come U-20 they are in all likelihood in college, living away from home, and the interest is probably not there anymore. I don't think any of us bar those who have actually played at a high level appreciate the dedication required to be a county hurler or footballer. It is professional in all but name, and asking a 19 or 20 year old to not drink, not go to parties, not do all of the normal things that any young fella would be expected to do is a huge ask, and obviously Galway are struggling to hold on to all of their great Minor stars, or bring them to the next level. For Galway in general it's very worrying, there is no doubt that the current senior hurling team needs a major clear-out, but where the replacements are going to come from is anybody's guess. Galway need to stop concentrating on winning Minor titles, as it's far more vital that they start winning at U-20, so that has to be the big push going forward. gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 170 - 20/08/2021 13:22:31 2373340 Link 0 |
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Rumours of a recent Covid outbreak in the Galway camp. If true, it would hardly make them look more athletic, and would explain some of the apparent lethargy that appeared to afflict them on the night.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 20/08/2021 14:50:32 2373362 Link 0 |
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It's more than lethargy though, the conditioning of both teams was very noticeable in how different they were. These lads are all u20 so no need to name names, but of Galways 6 forwards 4 of them are a body type you just don't see at senior intercounty level anymore. They are all very good hurlers though who have made a big impact at underage.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 20/08/2021 15:29:36 2373377 Link 0 |
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It appears a significant number of the Galway panel were struck down and had problems recovering. It also appears Cork pulled a bit of a stroke and it may have worked to their advantage On the broader subject of Galways lack of success at U20/21 level it may be partially due to the fact that they havent run a decent club championship at this level in well over 30 years UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 145 - 20/08/2021 17:43:41 2373400 Link 0 |
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no Galway played KK in an All-Ireland Semi in the minors
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 20/08/2021 17:47:52 2373404 Link 0 |
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Galway minors should be Leinster Champs, the kids should have a medal maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 20/08/2021 17:48:48 2373405 Link 0 |
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Why do you think people did not want the job? Because you can't work to the constraints set out by our county board! The funding is shocking and no where near the amount needed to properly prepair a team. Good people were interested including Michael Donohue but the county board would not agree to funding! I don't think SON should be taking all of the blame he hasn't exactly got a massive budget to work with like other top counties. I do think we have forget about winning minor and worry more about developing these young players. Winning is fine but should not be the most important thing !
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 20/08/2021 18:26:57 2373415 Link 0 |
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Your response is clearly ridiculous. I will explain what the posters and I are talking about since you clearly do not understand. Winning Minor All-Irelands are not an indication that those minor teams will produce Senior players. They may backbone a Senior team they may not. I never said it is never an indicator. There are a lot of reasons a team can win Minor. Maybe the are a mature group of players, they could be physically stronger then the other teams or maybe they peak athletically at a young age. Over the years other players from other teams can catch up physically and maybe mature later on in their late teens or early 20's. Many great players were great minor but did not win anything at the minor level. I would think more great players weren't great minors but did develope as they got older. Look at All Ireland winning Minor teams if the seniors get 2-4 players off those teams that is usually all they will get.
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 20/08/2021 19:10:12 2373423 Link 0 |
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They've won the last 4 All Irelands so plenty of medals there for the kids.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2154 - 20/08/2021 19:27:34 2373427 Link 0 |
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This Galway team have no medals. Can you imagine what a provincial medal is worth to 16 year olds? Just ask the Cork lads. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 20/08/2021 20:16:51 2373438 Link 0 |
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It is frustrating that we have had such little return at senior level from all of these great minor teams over the years but it is not reasonable to expect the management of the minor teams to fix this problem. Their job is to put the best team out on the pitch and to ensure that preparations are to the highest standard and clearly they are doing this consistently based on our record at this level. Apart from the fact that it is very difficult if not impossible to predict which minor players will develop into senior stars down the road, it would be completely unfair not to pick the best players in the county on current form just because someone thinks that some of them might not be big enough to make it at senior level later.
Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 20/08/2021 20:31:55 2373440 Link 1 |
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I hope that lad you were talking to isn't too involved in Galway hurling. He would like minors to be picked based on size rather than hurling ability. So we go with players who are big and awkward at age 16 or 17 but are lacking a bit on the skill side.....fat good that would do because the chances are the team would get beaten in most competitive matches and those big awkward lads wouldn't get the chance to develop their skills anyway. Besides that small more skilful 15 or 16 year old could shoot up in size over the following couple of years and be so much better than the mullacker who might never improve his skill set. The modern game at adult level is all about big size and speed as well as skill set. At senior level we haven't had a problem up to now with producing big physically strong players but we seem to have a decided lack of fast speedy players coming through. If that can be addressed we will be in a better place going forward. Of course ideally you'd like your underage players to have the physical attributes that will stand to them at senior but you can only work with what you have. There's plenty of examples of minors who were successful at minor mainly because they were big for their age but who didn't hack it at senior because their size was no longer advantage and they didn't have the skill set or other attributes to make it at senior.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 21/08/2021 12:40:06 2373551 Link 1 |
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Works both ways. limerick won Munster Minor titles in 12 and 13 and again in 18 and 19 but won no All Ireland. Several lads have two Munster Minor medals but no All Ireland one.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 21/08/2021 19:55:46 2373677 Link 0 |
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He didn't say he wanted lads picked on size rather than hurling ability at all, but he said picking underage teams with a focus on skill rather than athletic ability helps explain why many of these lads don't make it through at senior level. Kevin Broderick was a genius at minor level and made a good impression at senior despite his size, but you wouldn't have much business putting a player like that out against that Limerick team. How many intercounty hurlers at the top level are under 5ft9 or 12 stone, it's very very few. Their hand might be forced a bit now anyway after the 2 hammering suffered at u20 and minor, Cork had the better hurlers in both games but also by a distance the better athletes. The Munster counties are putting big emphasis on S&C at underage, a look at football tells you that before long everyone has to do that if they want to compete. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 23/08/2021 19:07:19 2374213 Link 0 |