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Good post, changing for the sake of change is every bit as stupid and pig headed as resisting any change at all.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1708 - 20/08/2021 15:01:01 2373366 Link 0 |
A shoulder tackle is from the side and the fact that a lot of posters on another thread keep on about the Small hit being clean is a joke, it wasn't. The GAA need to clean up this rule and make it black and white, they need to publish videos that show clearly what is legal and what is not. There has been too many rule changes in the game of late banning shoulder tackles would just be another stupid one. Enforce the rules as they stand, you canno't deliver a legal shoulder fron the front as Small tried to do. So far Croke Park has been dead silent on McLaughlin's injury, no comment on whether they think it was legal or not, no comment on the job of Conor Lane in responce to this injury. Croke Cark need to come out and tackle this head on. We're on going back and forth and they're hiding in the darkness. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 20/08/2021 16:03:25 2373383 Link 1 |
Shoulders are fine and reasonably safe if both players are going in the same direction, otherwise they're very difficult to execute regardless of intent. I also feel that players with tge ball should have an obligation to go around the defender rather than through him lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 21/08/2021 13:11:15 2373559 Link 0 |
Ah will you calm down man, relax yourself. I don't know or care what age you are but if you are not a young man don't expect or think you should think or behave like a young man. It's normal that you don't. That's the way it's always been. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/08/2021 13:34:18 2373566 Link 0 |
Shoulders are fine and reasonably safe if both players are going in the same direction, otherwise they're very difficult to execute regardless of intent. I also feel that players with tge ball should have an obligation to go around the defender rather than through him lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 21/08/2021 13:59:48 2373569 Link 0 |
No it's not. Injury is part and parcel of a contact sport.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 21/08/2021 14:50:02 2373580 Link 0 |
As the rules stand the only legitimate charge is shoulder to shoulder contact, both players in the same direction and at least one foot on the ground. Player in possession cannot run straight into opponent. Flynn's goal for Kildare v Dublin was a class finish but his challenge to Cooper on his way through should clearly have been a free out. It was funny on the Sunday game, O'Rourke commending Flynn for putting Cooper on his backside without once suggesting it may be a foul
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 683 - 21/08/2021 14:55:44 2373583 Link 2 |
No you are wrong there about the rules, a shoulder tackle is also legitimate if the recipient of the shoulder charge is playing the ball as long as he is not in the process of kicking it at the time.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/08/2021 15:04:50 2373586 Link 0 |
I did not say the player could not be in possession???
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 683 - 21/08/2021 15:09:44 2373588 Link 1 |
Right on the money.
seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 21/08/2021 15:13:25 2373591 Link 0 |
What a moronic bit of tripe. Brings nothing to the game today.Anyone who thinks that the McLaughlin incident is unique is not a GAA fan who has seen many games.
seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 21/08/2021 15:20:15 2373596 Link 1 |
I should add regardless of whether both players are moving in the same direction at the time or not. The only time players moving in the same direction comes into it is when two players are running from two different directions to contest a ball, if they are both running in the same direction to the ball then a shoulder tackle is allowed but if one is for example coming from the left and the other from the right then one can not shoulder tackle the other before possession is gained and one has the ball in play. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/08/2021 15:24:18 2373598 Link 1 |
What you said is : "As the rules stand the only legitimate charge is shoulder to shoulder contact, both players in the same direction and at least one foot on the ground" And I am simply pointing out that it is not the only legitimate charge, what you have said is that both players must be playing in the same direction and that is simply not true and you made it clear when you said the only legitimate charge. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/08/2021 15:29:31 2373600 Link 0 |
"The only legitimate charge" means one Joe. And that's simply incorrect. You even pointed to Flynn's goal which was perfectly legal but you are saying it wasn't legal because they were not moving in the same direction. That's nonsense. The only time that shoulder wouldn't have been legal is if neither player were in possession and both contesting a ball. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/08/2021 15:38:54 2373605 Link 1 |
Have ye any Royal blood, one this and one that.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 21/08/2021 15:41:35 2373606 Link 9 |
I do believe you were the one making the reference between the age groups as how the games are perceived and changes should be viewed. Personally I have no hang up about age young or old and a very calm relaxed person. I will and have always kept my comments to the subject been discussed agreeing or disagreeing with the opinion and expressing what I think of that view not the person. When someone makes personal assumptions about your state of mind and offering you personal advice that tells its own story on how the discussion is going.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 21/08/2021 16:41:35 2373620 Link 0 |
I do believe you were the one making the reference between the age groups as how the games are perceived and changes should be viewed. Personally I have no hang up about age young or old and a very calm relaxed person. I will and have always kept my comments to the subject been discussed agreeing or disagreeing with the opinion and expressing what I think of that view not the person. When someone makes personal assumptions about your state of mind and offering you personal advice that tells its own story on how the discussion is going.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 21/08/2021 16:59:48 2373625 Link 0 |
Do you read b4 you reply, I never, please READ "NEVER" said Flynns goal was not legal because they were not moving in the same direction. I was replying to a Kildare poster who stated that a player in possession should have to go around an opponent and not through him. I gave an example of Flynn and Cooper. Flynn in possession was moving fwd at pace, Cooper was stationary. The two players were facing each other and Flynn simply ran straight into Cooper, chest into chest and blew Cooper away and finished superbly, but the contact with Cooper was a foul. If you come back and say the contact was shoulder to shoulder, well I'll give up, there was no shoulder contact, he just ran straight into him.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 683 - 21/08/2021 17:03:08 2373628 Link 0 |
"There was nothing manly about Small's shoulder hit, and the sooner we get away from this culture of old guys, safe on the sideline" I was responding to the above comment which you clearly didn't read or if you did you don't seem to have any issue with it. It doesn't matter anyway because I fully agree with the poster. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/08/2021 17:11:42 2373630 Link 0 |
But surely if you think that the health and safety of the players is paramount then you must be in favour of removing all contact from the game, or better still ban sport altogether? Injuries happen all the time in sport, often times without any tackle involved, just bad luck, falling /landing awkwardly, if h&s is paramount then the risk must be removed... Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1708 - 21/08/2021 17:20:22 2373633 Link 0 |