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BANNING SHOULDER TACKLES?

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Replying To Canuck:  ""The Modern Men v The Auld Fellas".
More nonsense. Has nothing to do with it. Change is ongoing and will be, in every aspect of our games. Players are more athletic, trained and coached better with greater expectation for their efforts. Rightly so. Rules get amended or changed as required to reflect the change. Make changes as required but consider the consequences of them. Players are more inclined to take advantage of a rule or exploit it. If the shoulder tackle is taken out you may as well just do a shoot out because the whistle be getting blown every 10 seconds.
Incidently those "auld fellas " can be seen down in the field helping with the kids, cutting the grass, cleaning the dressing rooms and selling tickets to raise funds etc. The so called "modern men" are well able to work with them and no one draws that distinction."
Good post, changing for the sake of change is every bit as stupid and pig headed as resisting any change at all.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 20/08/2021 15:01:01    2373366

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A shoulder tackle is from the side and the fact that a lot of posters on another thread keep on about the Small hit being clean is a joke, it wasn't. The GAA need to clean up this rule and make it black and white, they need to publish videos that show clearly what is legal and what is not. There has been too many rule changes in the game of late banning shoulder tackles would just be another stupid one. Enforce the rules as they stand, you canno't deliver a legal shoulder fron the front as Small tried to do. So far Croke Park has been dead silent on McLaughlin's injury, no comment on whether they think it was legal or not, no comment on the job of Conor Lane in responce to this injury. Croke Cark need to come out and tackle this head on. We're on going back and forth and they're hiding in the darkness.
Leave the shoulder tackle but clean it up.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 357 - 20/08/2021 16:03:25    2373383

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Shoulders are fine and reasonably safe if both players are going in the same direction, otherwise they're very difficult to execute regardless of intent. I also feel that players with tge ball should have an obligation to go around the defender rather than through him

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 21/08/2021 13:11:15    2373559

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Replying To Canuck:  ""The Modern Men v The Auld Fellas".
More nonsense. Has nothing to do with it. Change is ongoing and will be, in every aspect of our games. Players are more athletic, trained and coached better with greater expectation for their efforts. Rightly so. Rules get amended or changed as required to reflect the change. Make changes as required but consider the consequences of them. Players are more inclined to take advantage of a rule or exploit it. If the shoulder tackle is taken out you may as well just do a shoot out because the whistle be getting blown every 10 seconds.
Incidently those "auld fellas " can be seen down in the field helping with the kids, cutting the grass, cleaning the dressing rooms and selling tickets to raise funds etc. The so called "modern men" are well able to work with them and no one draws that distinction."
Ah will you calm down man, relax yourself.

I don't know or care what age you are but if you are not a young man don't expect or think you should think or behave like a young man.

It's normal that you don't.

That's the way it's always been.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/08/2021 13:34:18    2373566

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Shoulders are fine and reasonably safe if both players are going in the same direction, otherwise they're very difficult to execute regardless of intent. I also feel that players with tge ball should have an obligation to go around the defender rather than through him

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 21/08/2021 13:59:48    2373569

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "The health and safety of the players is paramount and I believe the shoulder charge will go as its not possible to allow it to continue and at the same time protect the players from injury as its virtually impossible to execute a fair shoulder to shoulder charge currently."
No it's not. Injury is part and parcel of a contact sport.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5707 - 21/08/2021 14:50:02    2373580

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Replying To lillyboy:  "Shoulders are fine and reasonably safe if both players are going in the same direction, otherwise they're very difficult to execute regardless of intent. I also feel that players with tge ball should have an obligation to go around the defender rather than through him"
As the rules stand the only legitimate charge is shoulder to shoulder contact, both players in the same direction and at least one foot on the ground. Player in possession cannot run straight into opponent. Flynn's goal for Kildare v Dublin was a class finish but his challenge to Cooper on his way through should clearly have been a free out. It was funny on the Sunday game, O'Rourke commending Flynn for putting Cooper on his backside without once suggesting it may be a foul

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/08/2021 14:55:44    2373583

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Replying To sligo joe:  "As the rules stand the only legitimate charge is shoulder to shoulder contact, both players in the same direction and at least one foot on the ground. Player in possession cannot run straight into opponent. Flynn's goal for Kildare v Dublin was a class finish but his challenge to Cooper on his way through should clearly have been a free out. It was funny on the Sunday game, O'Rourke commending Flynn for putting Cooper on his backside without once suggesting it may be a foul"
No you are wrong there about the rules, a shoulder tackle is also legitimate if the recipient of the shoulder charge is playing the ball as long as he is not in the process of kicking it at the time.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/08/2021 15:04:50    2373586

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "No you are wrong there about the rules, a shoulder tackle is also legitimate if the recipient of the shoulder charge is playing the ball as long as he is not in the process of kicking it at the time."
I did not say the player could not be in possession???

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/08/2021 15:09:44    2373588

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Replying To Crinigan:  "I agree.

They are obsolete and don't add anything to the game. They also prevent players soloing with the ball at speed (one of the great skills but rarely seen) which players stop doing at about u16 due to heavy challenges/assaults disguised as " fair shoulders" when a player is in middle of executing a solo.

Would be easy to implement - obviously you can still shoulder when going for the same ball but once a player has possession of ball in hand you cannot run at him with a shoulder. Refs will tell if aggressive intention or not (but I've minimum faith in GAA referees as it is).

The worst injury and incident I've ever seen on a GAA pitch was a player reaching to catch a ball player through to him, he was running at speed and unsighted to the big lump on who went through him as he brought the ball down from over his head. Compound fracture of his arm and he was in convulsions of shock on the ground. Will never forget it. Only got a yellow card as well."
Right on the money.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 201 - 21/08/2021 15:13:25    2373591

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "My god what a load of nonsense.

What next? Ban tackling in the game of rugby??!!

Seriously just pure and utter nonsense.

Through my years of playing gaelic games I've had my nose broke, hand broke, dislocated shoulder, stitched up pretty much everywhere, etc,. And I'm pretty sure the same goes for anyone who spent a life time playing gaelic games.

And i was the opposite to the type of player that loved the rough & tumble by the way..

But i also understood things like what happened last Sat night are unfortunately bound to happen from time to time in a CONTACT SPORT!

EVERYONE knows the risks. If you don't like it don't play the sport. Its that simple."
What a moronic bit of tripe. Brings nothing to the game today.Anyone who thinks that the McLaughlin incident is unique is not a GAA fan who has seen many games.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 201 - 21/08/2021 15:20:15    2373596

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "No you are wrong there about the rules, a shoulder tackle is also legitimate if the recipient of the shoulder charge is playing the ball as long as he is not in the process of kicking it at the time."
I should add regardless of whether both players are moving in the same direction at the time or not.

The only time players moving in the same direction comes into it is when two players are running from two different directions to contest a ball, if they are both running in the same direction to the ball then a shoulder tackle is allowed but if one is for example coming from the left and the other from the right then one can not shoulder tackle the other before possession is gained and one has the ball in play.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/08/2021 15:24:18    2373598

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Replying To sligo joe:  "I did not say the player could not be in possession???"
What you said is :

"As the rules stand the only legitimate charge is shoulder to shoulder contact, both players in the same direction and at least one foot on the ground"

And I am simply pointing out that it is not the only legitimate charge, what you have said is that both players must be playing in the same direction and that is simply not true and you made it clear when you said the only legitimate charge.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/08/2021 15:29:31    2373600

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Replying To sligo joe:  "As the rules stand the only legitimate charge is shoulder to shoulder contact, both players in the same direction and at least one foot on the ground. Player in possession cannot run straight into opponent. Flynn's goal for Kildare v Dublin was a class finish but his challenge to Cooper on his way through should clearly have been a free out. It was funny on the Sunday game, O'Rourke commending Flynn for putting Cooper on his backside without once suggesting it may be a foul"
"The only legitimate charge" means one Joe.

And that's simply incorrect.

You even pointed to Flynn's goal which was perfectly legal but you are saying it wasn't legal because they were not moving in the same direction. That's nonsense.

The only time that shoulder wouldn't have been legal is if neither player were in possession and both contesting a ball.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/08/2021 15:38:54    2373605

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "I should add regardless of whether both players are moving in the same direction at the time or not.

The only time players moving in the same direction comes into it is when two players are running from two different directions to contest a ball, if they are both running in the same direction to the ball then a shoulder tackle is allowed but if one is for example coming from the left and the other from the right then one can not shoulder tackle the other before possession is gained and one has the ball in play."
Have ye any Royal blood, one this and one that.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1018 - 21/08/2021 15:41:35    2373606

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Ah will you calm down man, relax yourself.

I don't know or care what age you are but if you are not a young man don't expect or think you should think or behave like a young man.

It's normal that you don't.

That's the way it's always been."
I do believe you were the one making the reference between the age groups as how the games are perceived and changes should be viewed. Personally I have no hang up about age young or old and a very calm relaxed person. I will and have always kept my comments to the subject been discussed agreeing or disagreeing with the opinion and expressing what I think of that view not the person. When someone makes personal assumptions about your state of mind and offering you personal advice that tells its own story on how the discussion is going.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1677 - 21/08/2021 16:41:35    2373620

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Ah will you calm down man, relax yourself.

I don't know or care what age you are but if you are not a young man don't expect or think you should think or behave like a young man.

It's normal that you don't.

That's the way it's always been."
I do believe you were the one making the reference between the age groups as how the games are perceived and changes should be viewed. Personally I have no hang up about age young or old and a very calm relaxed person. I will and have always kept my comments to the subject been discussed agreeing or disagreeing with the opinion and expressing what I think of that view not the person. When someone makes personal assumptions about your state of mind and offering you personal advice that tells its own story on how the discussion is going.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1677 - 21/08/2021 16:59:48    2373625

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Replying To AfricanGael:  ""The only legitimate charge" means one Joe.

And that's simply incorrect.

You even pointed to Flynn's goal which was perfectly legal but you are saying it wasn't legal because they were not moving in the same direction. That's nonsense.

The only time that shoulder wouldn't have been legal is if neither player were in possession and both contesting a ball."
Do you read b4 you reply, I never, please READ "NEVER" said Flynns goal was not legal because they were not moving in the same direction. I was replying to a Kildare poster who stated that a player in possession should have to go around an opponent and not through him. I gave an example of Flynn and Cooper. Flynn in possession was moving fwd at pace, Cooper was stationary. The two players were facing each other and Flynn simply ran straight into Cooper, chest into chest and blew Cooper away and finished superbly, but the contact with Cooper was a foul. If you come back and say the contact was shoulder to shoulder, well I'll give up, there was no shoulder contact, he just ran straight into him.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/08/2021 17:03:08    2373628

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Replying To Canuck:  "I do believe you were the one making the reference between the age groups as how the games are perceived and changes should be viewed. Personally I have no hang up about age young or old and a very calm relaxed person. I will and have always kept my comments to the subject been discussed agreeing or disagreeing with the opinion and expressing what I think of that view not the person. When someone makes personal assumptions about your state of mind and offering you personal advice that tells its own story on how the discussion is going."
"There was nothing manly about Small's shoulder hit, and the sooner we get away from this culture of old guys, safe on the sideline"

I was responding to the above comment which you clearly didn't read or if you did you don't seem to have any issue with it.

It doesn't matter anyway because I fully agree with the poster.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/08/2021 17:11:42    2373630

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "The health and safety of the players is paramount and I believe the shoulder charge will go as its not possible to allow it to continue and at the same time protect the players from injury as its virtually impossible to execute a fair shoulder to shoulder charge currently."
But surely if you think that the health and safety of the players is paramount then you must be in favour of removing all contact from the game, or better still ban sport altogether?

Injuries happen all the time in sport, often times without any tackle involved, just bad luck, falling /landing awkwardly, if h&s is paramount then the risk must be removed...

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 21/08/2021 17:20:22    2373633

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