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Galway V Cork Minor Hurling Final

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Can anyone explain the logic of Cork v Galway u20HC final in Semple Stadium on Wed evening and the same 2 counties contesting the MHC final in the same venue on Saturday? Surely a double header on Saturday would make sense and give followers of both counties the opportunity to attend both games without 2 journeys and 2 admissions.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 578 - 17/08/2021 09:01:05    2372218

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Replying To ponga:  "Can anyone explain the logic of Cork v Galway u20HC final in Semple Stadium on Wed evening and the same 2 counties contesting the MHC final in the same venue on Saturday? Surely a double header on Saturday would make sense and give followers of both counties the opportunity to attend both games without 2 journeys and 2 admissions."
Madness for sure! Wouldnt be greed now would it?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3450 - 17/08/2021 09:58:24    2372238

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "Well beyond time the rest of the province got the finger out. The GAA's been around long enough"
That's all very well, but how do you get the other counties to embrace hurling. Do you amalgamate the four of them, so that there is a team, which at least can give Galway a fairly decent game in a Connacht Final?. Most people wont hear of that. Remember Kilkenny was a strong football county once, as Kerry were in hurling, in the early days of the Association, yet either county will not seriously promote the weaker code now. If the games have all but vanished, where they were reasonably strong one time, how far are you going to get trying to promote them where they were always weak.
I would just like to quote just a local case in my home place. There is an average size town in Abbeyfeale, but a huge rural parish, with four rural National Schools still operating (there once was five). It is football mad and rugby is also fairly strong (Robert Webb Ellis's family were landlords there). Huge efforts have been made to promote hurling and when Limerick get to big games, Abbeyfeale people follow them in their droves. However, despite that many young lads playing with neighbouring clubs) all efforts to promote hurling in the town have failed.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3309 - 17/08/2021 10:15:19    2372251

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "Galway should be in Leinster at minor level, I think they asked for it too a few years back but the Leinster counties rejected it."
They did unfortunately. What young players need is more games at the highest level for them.
I'd love to see our minors being allowed to play in Leinster. Whatever that means in terms of results, we'll see.
As for the poster saying it's not Cork's fault there's no Connacht hurling championship, of course it's not. It's an odd thing to say, as nobody has even mentioned it.
The onus is on the GAA to ensure that the championship is as equitable as possible.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1229 - 17/08/2021 10:23:30    2372259

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Replying To ponga:  "Can anyone explain the logic of Cork v Galway u20HC final in Semple Stadium on Wed evening and the same 2 counties contesting the MHC final in the same venue on Saturday? Surely a double header on Saturday would make sense and give followers of both counties the opportunity to attend both games without 2 journeys and 2 admissions."
I suppose a couple of those u20s could be in contention for a place in the squad on Sunday may be a factor.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 284 - 17/08/2021 11:12:03    2372285

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Replying To Viking66:  "Madness for sure! Wouldnt be greed now would it?"
No. There will be a couple of lads on the panel for the senior final Sunday. So it would not be fair to have the u20 final the day before. It's bad enough it's tomorrow to be honest. U20 competition should not be played around the same time as senior.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 284 - 17/08/2021 11:31:33    2372300

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "They did unfortunately. What young players need is more games at the highest level for them.
I'd love to see our minors being allowed to play in Leinster. Whatever that means in terms of results, we'll see.
As for the poster saying it's not Cork's fault there's no Connacht hurling championship, of course it's not. It's an odd thing to say, as nobody has even mentioned it.
The onus is on the GAA to ensure that the championship is as equitable as possible."
It's unfair and short-sighted, even in Munster schools the West Limerick colleges amalgamations were objected by the bigger schools from taking part in the Corn ui Mhuiri and the Harty Cup, totally unfair and the Munster Council should have backed the smaller schools amalgamating, especially in areas were the GAA is weak.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 17/08/2021 14:39:08    2372411

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Replying To ponga:  "Can anyone explain the logic of Cork v Galway u20HC final in Semple Stadium on Wed evening and the same 2 counties contesting the MHC final in the same venue on Saturday? Surely a double header on Saturday would make sense and give followers of both counties the opportunity to attend both games without 2 journeys and 2 admissions."
What's totally mad is playing the minor hurling final and the minor football semi final in different locations on the same day. Surely this should have been a double header.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 284 - 17/08/2021 15:15:04    2372432

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "What's totally mad is playing the minor hurling final and the minor football semi final in different locations on the same day. Surely this should have been a double header."
Good point.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 578 - 17/08/2021 15:20:37    2372435

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "No. There will be a couple of lads on the panel for the senior final Sunday. So it would not be fair to have the u20 final the day before. It's bad enough it's tomorrow to be honest. U20 competition should not be played around the same time as senior."
Club championships can't be held up any longer. Lots of dual players on both hurling panels and we have lots of games to get played in coming weeks. Game should be Saturday evening and no under 20 player need travel on Sunday or if they do travel, then they will not be playing anyway. No under 20 player will be given a debut v Limerick on AI Final day.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3902 - 17/08/2021 15:39:15    2372440

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "What's totally mad is playing the minor hurling final and the minor football semi final in different locations on the same day. Surely this should have been a double header."
Agreed. That is tough on those who want to go to both games.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3902 - 17/08/2021 15:40:08    2372441

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "Galway should be in Leinster at minor level, I think they asked for it too a few years back but the Leinster counties rejected it."
Fine in theory but not very practical. Leinster minor hurling championship is run on a round robin system ordinarily (not this year or last year due to covid). Probably they'd have to alter the whole structure of the competition to accommodate Galway. It might necessitate going back to straight knockout. Supposing they retained the current set up and just added Galway. That would mean Galway getting say 3 or 4 games in the Leinster minor championship every year. Then the old chestnut about venue would arise. Would Leinster minor teams be prepared to travel for some matches to Galway venues for 7.30pm evening start times? Or Galway travel to the likes of Wexford Park or Nowlan Park for midweek evening games? The answer would probably be no on both sides. Even on a cost basis it would be expensive as it would involve overnights. Could get round it by playing every game in Tullamore/ Portlaoise but with most other minor games in Leinster happening on home/away that probably wouldn't go down too well either.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1623 - 18/08/2021 11:57:53    2372668

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Fine in theory but not very practical. Leinster minor hurling championship is run on a round robin system ordinarily (not this year or last year due to covid). Probably they'd have to alter the whole structure of the competition to accommodate Galway. It might necessitate going back to straight knockout. Supposing they retained the current set up and just added Galway. That would mean Galway getting say 3 or 4 games in the Leinster minor championship every year. Then the old chestnut about venue would arise. Would Leinster minor teams be prepared to travel for some matches to Galway venues for 7.30pm evening start times? Or Galway travel to the likes of Wexford Park or Nowlan Park for midweek evening games? The answer would probably be no on both sides. Even on a cost basis it would be expensive as it would involve overnights. Could get round it by playing every game in Tullamore/ Portlaoise but with most other minor games in Leinster happening on home/away that probably wouldn't go down too well either."
Good points. Birr, Tullamore, Portlaoise, Athleague, Semple Stadium, Longford.
There are rakes of venues that would be neutral venues in or near Leinster.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1510 - 18/08/2021 12:35:44    2372682

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It doesn't bother me whether Galway are in Leinster or Munster once Galway keep winning Minor All Irelands in a row, because its very obvious Galway are better and stronger than what Leinster or Munster can off over the last 5years.
The underage System in Galway is fantastic for developing underage hurling!
A,A1,B,B1,C that's 5 divisions at all levels from u12 to u17.
2 Co u14 Teams and 3 Co u16 Teams.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1409 - 18/08/2021 12:46:13    2372686

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Fine in theory but not very practical. Leinster minor hurling championship is run on a round robin system ordinarily (not this year or last year due to covid). Probably they'd have to alter the whole structure of the competition to accommodate Galway. It might necessitate going back to straight knockout. Supposing they retained the current set up and just added Galway. That would mean Galway getting say 3 or 4 games in the Leinster minor championship every year. Then the old chestnut about venue would arise. Would Leinster minor teams be prepared to travel for some matches to Galway venues for 7.30pm evening start times? Or Galway travel to the likes of Wexford Park or Nowlan Park for midweek evening games? The answer would probably be no on both sides. Even on a cost basis it would be expensive as it would involve overnights. Could get round it by playing every game in Tullamore/ Portlaoise but with most other minor games in Leinster happening on home/away that probably wouldn't go down too well either."
It's roughly a 2 hour drive from Dublin to Wexford Park. It's the same from Dublin to Athenry. I appreciate that trips from Galway to Kilkenny and Wexford are longer, but I don't think it's insurmountable. I'd take neutral venues for those matches over the current system.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1229 - 18/08/2021 12:57:28    2372695

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Would I be right in saying in over 90 years of minor hurling and 50 in the u21/20 grade that Galway have never played a home game in either competition ? Allied to same situation at senior level, bar a small handful of games in recent years it does make the promotion of the game difficult. Its also hard on supporters having to travel every time.As a simple example Thurles is considered a neutral venue for a lot of Galway Kilkenny games , yet it took nearly three hours for some Galway supporters to make the journey last Friday evening. Urlingford would be maybe 20 minutes away, and thats not having a dig at Kilkenny its just the way it is .

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 103 - 18/08/2021 15:22:11    2372763

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Cork winning handy 1-20 to 0-10 48 mins. They look a good outfit.

No consolation to Galway but their white Jersey and maroon shorts combo is class....!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1181 - 21/08/2021 20:23:42    2373681

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1-23 to 0-12 final score. Cork's first minor title in 20 years, hard to believe.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1181 - 21/08/2021 20:57:26    2373690

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Congrats Cork, super performance

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1510 - 21/08/2021 21:04:41    2373696

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Excellent hurling and team play throughout from Cork... Definitely Corks no 2, 6, 8, 14 and 15 will be Senior hurlers in the future.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1409 - 21/08/2021 21:14:14    2373703

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