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Replying To blueskies: "We just need to look at our record in Croke Park to highlight this point, Winning is just not in our DNA. If you even look at the hurlers recently who had great season, they get to final in Croke Park and get hammered.
Other counties and especially our northern counterparts Tyrone go to Croke Park with an arrogance and an expectation to win. In the words of Roy Keane we only go up for the sing song. I remember feeling very patrionised before last years all Ireland semi final when the pundits mainly Colm O'Rourke had a laugh and a joke about Cavan getting that far in the first place. On reflection he was spot on.
If you were to draw up a breakdown of our games in Croke Park in the last number of years it doesn't look good. Division 3 and 2 finals , minor semi finals, under 21 final etc. Roscommon for example who have similar resources to ourselves and would be very disappointed with their own record in HQ have bet us 3 time in Croke Park in 15 years. Our record is pathetic up there, Croke Park separates the men from the boys and every time we have been shown to be boys just happy for the day out. We could do with the services of a sports psychologist on top of everything else." Correct.
We have a losers mentality in the county. I lived in Monaghan for a time for work and the contrast in attitudes towards Gaelic football are stark. In Monaghan there is serious unity of purpose. I never saw that in Cavan.
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Pg 6 hits at everything we should be aiming at. Break down Cavan football into its seperate elements and focus on where the improvements can be made.
Can someone answer how many full time coaches are working in the county? I think I noted 2 long term coaches left in recent times. I wonder why.
waynerooney11 (Cavan) - Posts: 142 - 15/08/2021 21:26:45
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Replying To waynerooney11: "https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2024-a-five-year-plan-for-cork-football/
Pg 6 hits at everything we should be aiming at. Break down Cavan football into its seperate elements and focus on where the improvements can be made.
Can someone answer how many full time coaches are working in the county? I think I noted 2 long term coaches left in recent times. I wonder why." I agree completely with the last few posts can't understand why more Cavan people are not saying the same thing it sticks out a mile I mentioned as much in my last post a week ago. Unfortunately I didn't get to see offaly win yesterday but congratulations to them I seen their match v cork also Roscommon v Down and it was a pleasure some serious players on both teams and some of them surly destined for both senior teams also Cork Monaghan and most of the Ulster county's surly there must be just as good underage players in Cavan and if so why aren't they being pushed forward don't tell me that you have to know someone that knows someone to get a look in I would hope that mentality doesn't exist anymore because if it does it's a disgrace. Up Cavan
[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 16/08/2021 10:22:27
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Replying To [email protected]: "I agree completely with the last few posts can't understand why more Cavan people are not saying the same thing it sticks out a mile I mentioned as much in my last post a week ago. Unfortunately I didn't get to see offaly win yesterday but congratulations to them I seen their match v cork also Roscommon v Down and it was a pleasure some serious players on both teams and some of them surly destined for both senior teams also Cork Monaghan and most of the Ulster county's surly there must be just as good underage players in Cavan and if so why aren't they being pushed forward don't tell me that you have to know someone that knows someone to get a look in I would hope that mentality doesn't exist anymore because if it does it's a disgrace. Up Cavan"
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 16/08/2021 13:43:32
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Replying To [email protected]: "I agree completely with the last few posts can't understand why more Cavan people are not saying the same thing it sticks out a mile I mentioned as much in my last post a week ago. Unfortunately I didn't get to see offaly win yesterday but congratulations to them I seen their match v cork also Roscommon v Down and it was a pleasure some serious players on both teams and some of them surly destined for both senior teams also Cork Monaghan and most of the Ulster county's surly there must be just as good underage players in Cavan and if so why aren't they being pushed forward don't tell me that you have to know someone that knows someone to get a look in I would hope that mentality doesn't exist anymore because if it does it's a disgrace. Up Cavan"
wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1680 - 16/08/2021 14:06:33
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No one involved in Cavan football this year is above criticism from fans, but I am not aware that our county teams are picked on the basis of "it's all about who you know". It would also be a touch harsh to haul the recently appointed county board chairman over the coals to ask him why he didn't do more before he was even in the job.
I believe that some posters are getting carried away with Offaly's win on this thread. And I am not so sure that Offaly have the underage success as sussed out as some posters may think.
I put some time aside to examine Offaly's record in the Under 20 All Ireland Football competition in particular this afternoon, and have just completed my review. The conclusion being that Offaly have in fact won only one u20 All Ireland since records began.
Add to that, they look to have two generatinal marquee forwards who I think scored 1-8 from play between them in the final. One of whom is being dubbed the new Matt Connor, and the lad with the mullet if he's not overage, then he has his growing done, and Faulkner willl handle him.
I think we would beat Offaly well in the Senior's if we met them in the C'ship qualifiers next year. So I wouldn't panic just yet lads.
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Replying To PatTheDandy: "No one involved in Cavan football this year is above criticism from fans, but I am not aware that our county teams are picked on the basis of "it's all about who you know". It would also be a touch harsh to haul the recently appointed county board chairman over the coals to ask him why he didn't do more before he was even in the job.
I believe that some posters are getting carried away with Offaly's win on this thread. And I am not so sure that Offaly have the underage success as sussed out as some posters may think.
I put some time aside to examine Offaly's record in the Under 20 All Ireland Football competition in particular this afternoon, and have just completed my review. The conclusion being that Offaly have in fact won only one u20 All Ireland since records began.
Add to that, they look to have two generatinal marquee forwards who I think scored 1-8 from play between them in the final. One of whom is being dubbed the new Matt Connor, and the lad with the mullet if he's not overage, then he has his growing done, and Faulkner willl handle him.
I think we would beat Offaly well in the Senior's if we met them in the C'ship qualifiers next year. So I wouldn't panic just yet lads." Well Pat since records began was only 3 years ago. Offaly actually beat Cavan in the u 21 final in 1988. You didnt put much effort into your analysis..As for beating Cavan next year . Dont think so. At the minute we would struggle against anyone
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Replying To PatTheDandy: "No one involved in Cavan football this year is above criticism from fans, but I am not aware that our county teams are picked on the basis of "it's all about who you know". It would also be a touch harsh to haul the recently appointed county board chairman over the coals to ask him why he didn't do more before he was even in the job.
I believe that some posters are getting carried away with Offaly's win on this thread. And I am not so sure that Offaly have the underage success as sussed out as some posters may think.
I put some time aside to examine Offaly's record in the Under 20 All Ireland Football competition in particular this afternoon, and have just completed my review. The conclusion being that Offaly have in fact won only one u20 All Ireland since records began.
Add to that, they look to have two generatinal marquee forwards who I think scored 1-8 from play between them in the final. One of whom is being dubbed the new Matt Connor, and the lad with the mullet if he's not overage, then he has his growing done, and Faulkner willl handle him.
I think we would beat Offaly well in the Senior's if we met them in the C'ship qualifiers next year. So I wouldn't panic just yet lads." At least Offaly have a few players coming on that look like good additions to their senior set up…. We have none….. and as for Faulkner as you say " taking care of anyone " …the way he performed last season he wouldn't take care of much…!!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1927 - 16/08/2021 20:48:41
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Replying To PatTheDandy: "No one involved in Cavan football this year is above criticism from fans, but I am not aware that our county teams are picked on the basis of "it's all about who you know". It would also be a touch harsh to haul the recently appointed county board chairman over the coals to ask him why he didn't do more before he was even in the job.
I believe that some posters are getting carried away with Offaly's win on this thread. And I am not so sure that Offaly have the underage success as sussed out as some posters may think.
I put some time aside to examine Offaly's record in the Under 20 All Ireland Football competition in particular this afternoon, and have just completed my review. The conclusion being that Offaly have in fact won only one u20 All Ireland since records began.
Add to that, they look to have two generatinal marquee forwards who I think scored 1-8 from play between them in the final. One of whom is being dubbed the new Matt Connor, and the lad with the mullet if he's not overage, then he has his growing done, and Faulkner willl handle him.
I think we would beat Offaly well in the Senior's if we met them in the C'ship qualifiers next year. So I wouldn't panic just yet lads." That was very in dept review that must have lasted 2 seconds! If we have more people like you, well be in Dv4 forever.
Look at Gowna, Killygarry and Cavan Gaels. How many players for example have made Cavan teams / panels without doing a whole pile more than players from other clubs?
No one is asking the Chairman anything about the past. This thread is based upon the future. And the lack of plan we have for it and leadership been shown by the top table.
waynerooney11 (Cavan) - Posts: 142 - 16/08/2021 21:44:29
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Replying To Allrevvedup: " Replying To PatTheDandy: "No one involved in Cavan football this year is above criticism from fans, but I am not aware that our county teams are picked on the basis of "it's all about who you know". It would also be a touch harsh to haul the recently appointed county board chairman over the coals to ask him why he didn't do more before he was even in the job.
I believe that some posters are getting carried away with Offaly's win on this thread. And I am not so sure that Offaly have the underage success as sussed out as some posters may think.
I put some time aside to examine Offaly's record in the Under 20 All Ireland Football competition in particular this afternoon, and have just completed my review. The conclusion being that Offaly have in fact won only one u20 All Ireland since records began.
Add to that, they look to have two generatinal marquee forwards who I think scored 1-8 from play between them in the final. One of whom is being dubbed the new Matt Connor, and the lad with the mullet if he's not overage, then he has his growing done, and Faulkner willl handle him.
I think we would beat Offaly well in the Senior's if we met them in the C'ship qualifiers next year. So I wouldn't panic just yet lads." Well Pat since records began was only 3 years ago. Offaly actually beat Cavan in the u 21 final in 1988. You didnt put much effort into your analysis..As for beating Cavan next year . Dont think so. At the minute we would struggle against anyone"
As regards the u21 C'ship, I did not include that in the data as it is a different and now defunct competition.
PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 17/08/2021 10:16:54
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I have read all the Posts associated with this tread and such a load of rubbish posted by a few people.
It seems that a few have a bee in the Bonnet about the County Board, Well I can tell you that the fellows at the top table are doing wonderful work ( other than setting up Divisional teams ). These men and woman give of one time freely and in an honest to God fashion . I feel that several of the posters in this tread will not be giving one Hours voluntary work to his/her local Gaa club. Naw just sit and criticise others for not doing one job correctly.. Now that I have got that off my chest I feel that we need to start with an intense Schools Coaching campaign. Into the National Schools and get fro 6 years up to do the basics like catching and kicking. We need fellows from the local clubs to do added work. Start in the National Schools and hen get into the second level schools . That is the way to go.. Also an intense PRO campaign in each club. The Gaa in falling down in the PRO scene in some clubs
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3857 - 19/08/2021 11:42:21
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I have read all the Posts associated with this tread and such a load of rubbish posted by a few people.
It seems that a few have a bee in the Bonnet about the County Board, Well I can tell you that the fellows at the top table are doing wonderful work ( other than setting up Divisional teams ). These men and woman give of one time freely and in an honest to God fashion . I feel that several of the posters in this tread will not be giving one Hours voluntary work to his/her local Gaa club. Naw just sit and criticise others for not doing one job correctly.. Now that I have got that off my chest I feel that we need to start with an intense Schools Coaching campaign. Into the National Schools and get fro 6 years up to do the basics like catching and kicking. We need fellows from the local clubs to do added work. Start in the National Schools and hen get into the second level schools . That is the way to go.. Also an intense PRO campaign in each club. The Gaa in falling down in the PRO scene in some clubs" Tom you are a great man for stating the obvious. What are "the fellows at the top table" doing that is so wonderful, is it standing by while our senior team drop from division 1 to division 4 in three years or is it watching all Cavan teams beaten off the pitch in the first round of all Ulster football championships. But l admire your sense of humour when you say that you and only you discovered young Givney. Tom you know the old saying: "ONE swallow doesn't make a summer".
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Replying To blueskies: "At the start of the year I felt the helicopter view of Cavan football did not look pretty. We have an ageing Senior team with little to nothing coming through. When the likes of G Mac, Martin Reilly and Galligan call it a day we are going to really struggle more than people realise . The question needs to be asked how has it been allowed to get this bad? In 5 years time I honestly feel we will be a poor division 3 team based on the current trajectory.
As other posters have mentioned we have people employed in full time positions to oversea football in the county. These people need to be held to account. If any of us in our every day job continue to deliver poor results we would be subject to scrutiny. Why should it be different for these men? Results are not good enough across the board. Its time for a complete restructure from that side of things. Have the county board the bottle for that is another question.
We need to look at what what was done right from 2011 -2015 and review it in comparison it to the following years. You will find the answers fairly quickly to be honest. Better people and coaches were involved back then, Peter Donnely, Hyland, Peter Reilly etc. . Nicholas Walsh was heavily involved prior to this in the set up and administration of the development squads. Players from these squads went on to win under 21s and subsequently a senior ulster championship. He has been a huge loss to Cavan football You just have to look at where he is now to know he was a serious operator when it came to sports administration and games development. Why was his work never improved and built upon? If anything the standards and coaching at these squads have regressed since.
The county board need to take action and I suspect something will be done due to the backlash in recent weeks. That minor team was the final nail in the coffin for a lot of people. I honestly feel its a personnel issue. Get the right men back involved." The late Joe McCarthy was also involved then. A good man with integrity, intelligence and a football brain too.. Sorely missed . RIP Joe.
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Last week the Draws for Round 2 were done on Thursday at a game in Kingspan Breffni, this week there was also a game in Kingspan Breffni on Thursday and no draws were done Why? Players need to know their next fixture date and time in order to get time off work so fixtures should be done at least 10 days in advance.
I think they should be done on the Monday to let players give good notice to their employer.
Breffnisbest (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 10/09/2021 11:40:34
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Tyrone ABU!!! I hate to admit this but after Cavan's dismal loss to Tyrone. l wanted to convince myself that any team that could beat Cavan were sure to go all the way. That's the kind of perverse mind l have.
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Declankillann." You were guaranteed to be proved correct because there's probably 20+ teams who could beat cavan, 1 of them was gonna win the All Ireland.
wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1680 - 13/09/2021 20:04:56
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Replying To wishfulthinkin: "You were guaranteed to be proved correct because there's probably 20+ teams who could beat cavan, 1 of them was gonna win the All Ireland." There are only 8 other counties in Ulster though but don't let that get in the way of a good old whinge.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 14/09/2021 08:32:24
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Replying To declankillann: "Tyrone ABU!!! I hate to admit this but after Cavan's dismal loss to Tyrone. l wanted to convince myself that any team that could beat Cavan were sure to go all the way. That's the kind of perverse mind l have.
Declankillann." In each year since 2011 ( bar 14 & 2017)the county that beat Cavan went on to win Ulster, and in 2012 & 2021 that county also won the All Ireland.Indeed Cavan's conquerors in 2020 also won the AI.Would this put us on the same level as Mayo seeing as their conquerors in 6 of the last 10 years also won the Al.
aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 256 - 14/09/2021 16:47:55
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Replying To aceofspades: "In each year since 2011 ( bar 14 & 2017)the county that beat Cavan went on to win Ulster, and in 2012 & 2021 that county also won the All Ireland.Indeed Cavan's conquerors in 2020 also won the AI.Would this put us on the same level as Mayo seeing as their conquerors in 6 of the last 10 years also won the Al." How Brolly called Mayo 'footballs greatest time wasters' . So yes in answer to your question , we are on par with Mayo!
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 14/09/2021 22:15:16
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Mccabe has stepped down as a selecter, thoughts or any idea has anyone come in?
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 15/09/2021 15:06:38
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