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As an Offaly man, I dont dislike Cork (even after 1984 centenary final as Cork were never going to lose 3 All Ireland's in a row back then- lost 82 & 83 to Kilkenny) but now I hope Limerick win..like Wexford in Leinster with Kilkenny, Limerick were decades in the shadow of Cork and to a lesser degree Tipperary, I dont begrudge Limerick any success over recent years...great for teams like Offaly, Wexford, Clare, Waterford etc...long live the 80s underdogs from Leinster and Munster and even Ulster..Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp have enough won...Limerick are deserving of where they are...will be a great final...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 873 - 08/08/2021 23:47:39    2368983

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "As an Offaly man, I dont dislike Cork (even after 1984 centenary final as Cork were never going to lose 3 All Ireland's in a row back then- lost 82 & 83 to Kilkenny) but now I hope Limerick win..like Wexford in Leinster with Kilkenny, Limerick were decades in the shadow of Cork and to a lesser degree Tipperary, I dont begrudge Limerick any success over recent years...great for teams like Offaly, Wexford, Clare, Waterford etc...long live the 80s underdogs from Leinster and Munster and even Ulster..Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp have enough won...Limerick are deserving of where they are...will be a great final..."
Ah here you forgot Galway in your post.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5708 - 09/08/2021 10:11:20    2369025

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Ah here you forgot Galway in your post."
I did think of them but Galway were guaranteed a semifinal every year back in the 1980s...Wexford, Laois and Limerick and Clare and Waterford were often gone out of championship on 3rd Sunday of June...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 873 - 09/08/2021 11:37:48    2369059

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I did think of them but Galway were guaranteed a semifinal every year back in the 1980s...Wexford, Laois and Limerick and Clare and Waterford were often gone out of championship on 3rd Sunday of June..."
That often worked against Galway. Very often their first championship match was a match against a team that had already won a provincial title. In the eighties they were the ones who really broke the mould and paved the way for others to follow most notably Offaly. Galway won three titles in the eighties and played in three more finals. They deserve a bit of credit for that.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5708 - 09/08/2021 16:30:41    2369189

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Also, Galway have accommodated the retention of the Munster and Leinster Hurling Championships by accepting what they are given

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1510 - 09/08/2021 16:54:40    2369206

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Munster and Leinster Championships would have to be scrapped if Galway was less accommodating indeed

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1110 - 09/08/2021 17:59:41    2369223

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Replying To Greengrass:  "That often worked against Galway. Very often their first championship match was a match against a team that had already won a provincial title. In the eighties they were the ones who really broke the mould and paved the way for others to follow most notably Offaly. Galway won three titles in the eighties and played in three more finals. They deserve a bit of credit for that."
Yes and every 2nd year the winners of Leinster or Munster would go straight to an all ireland final without having to play a semi final.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2796 - 09/08/2021 18:04:32    2369226

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Munster and Leinster Championships would have to be scrapped if Galway was less accommodating indeed"
The munster hurling championship is loved like the Ulster championship in football. Also this year will be the 4th year in a row of Munster winners and 2nd year in a row 2 munster teams in final.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2796 - 09/08/2021 18:07:00    2369229

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Congrats to Cork yesterday, hope ye go on to win the allireland now.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14015 - 09/08/2021 18:11:43    2369232

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The munster hurling championship is loved like the Ulster championship in football. Also this year will be the 4th year in a row of Munster winners and 2nd year in a row 2 munster teams in final."
True but Limerick will beat Cork out the gate and they never played a team outside of Munster in this campaign.
GAA need to scrap this system asap.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1110 - 09/08/2021 18:13:17    2369233

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "True but Limerick will beat Cork out the gate and they never played a team outside of Munster in this campaign.
GAA need to scrap this system asap."
Look what should be looked at is the state of hurling outside of Munster. The fact is Clare knocked out Wexford, Waterford knocked out Galway and Laois and Cork saw off Kilkenny and Dublin and the other three Main Munster teams were all knocked by other Munster teams. No need at all to change the system and BTW I do not believe Limerick 'will beat Cork at all'. I will be very happy if we edge them by a point.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3320 - 09/08/2021 18:45:05    2369253

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The munster hurling championship is loved like the Ulster championship in football. Also this year will be the 4th year in a row of Munster winners and 2nd year in a row 2 munster teams in final."
That cuts both ways CiarraiMick.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5708 - 09/08/2021 20:38:36    2369291

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The munster hurling championship is loved like the Ulster championship in football. Also this year will be the 4th year in a row of Munster winners and 2nd year in a row 2 munster teams in final."
Since the back door started and 1 province finals became possible in the modern era there have been 3 all Munster finals and 3 all Leinster finals including the final between Kilkenny and Galway when Galway played in Leinster before this year. Before that there obviously many finals between Galway and Wexford, Offaly, Kilkenny and Dublin but they dont really count as Galway didnt play in Leinster. The overall record after this year will be 4 all Munster finals against 3 all Leinster finals. Hardly a big difference!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 09/08/2021 22:02:47    2369331

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Look what should be looked at is the state of hurling outside of Munster. The fact is Clare knocked out Wexford, Waterford knocked out Galway and Laois and Cork saw off Kilkenny and Dublin and the other three Main Munster teams were all knocked by other Munster teams. No need at all to change the system and BTW I do not believe Limerick 'will beat Cork at all'. I will be very happy if we edge them by a point."
Hurling goes in cycles Oldtourman as you well know! The first all 1 province final was in 97 Clare v Tipp. The next 2 were Kilkenny v Offaly. I dont think there was a huge difference in standard this year. Clare got a fast start against Wexford and won the first quarter. They then lost the next 2 quarters. The last quarter was pretty even. Kilkenny v Cork went to extra time. Waterford nearly lost to Laois. Galway did better against Waterford than they did against Dublin but were poor in both games tbh. I think Limerick are a bit ahead of the next 8 but on any given day any of the next 8 might win a game against any of the other 7.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 09/08/2021 22:13:13    2369338

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Look what should be looked at is the state of hurling outside of Munster. The fact is Clare knocked out Wexford, Waterford knocked out Galway and Laois and Cork saw off Kilkenny and Dublin and the other three Main Munster teams were all knocked by other Munster teams. No need at all to change the system and BTW I do not believe Limerick 'will beat Cork at all'. I will be very happy if we edge them by a point."
Hurling goes in cycles Oldtourman as you well know! The first all 1 province final was in 97 Clare v Tipp. The next 2 were Kilkenny v Offaly. I dont think there was a huge difference in standard this year. Clare got a fast start against Wexford and won the first quarter. They then lost the next 2 quarters. The last quarter was pretty even. Kilkenny v Cork went to extra time. Waterford nearly lost to Laois. Galway did better against Waterford than they did against Dublin but were poor in both games tbh. I think Limerick are a bit ahead of the next 8 but on any given day any of the next 8 might win a game against any of the other 7.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 09/08/2021 22:24:47    2369343

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Replying To Viking66:  "Since the back door started and 1 province finals became possible in the modern era there have been 3 all Munster finals and 3 all Leinster finals including the final between Kilkenny and Galway when Galway played in Leinster before this year. Before that there obviously many finals between Galway and Wexford, Offaly, Kilkenny and Dublin but they dont really count as Galway didnt play in Leinster. The overall record after this year will be 4 all Munster finals against 3 all Leinster finals. Hardly a big difference!!"
Agreed no big difference but I'm just stating that Munster hurling seems to be top at moment. This is the 2nd year in a row Munster teams meet and it will be a 4th Munster winner in a row. Just an observation.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2796 - 09/08/2021 23:05:21    2369356

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "True but Limerick will beat Cork out the gate and they never played a team outside of Munster in this campaign.
GAA need to scrap this system asap."
Tbf a team can only beat what's in front of them but I take your point but all 5 Munster teams have played in all ireland finals in the last 8 years whereas only Kilkenny have from Leinster and Galway

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2796 - 09/08/2021 23:09:44    2369358

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Agreed no big difference but I'm just stating that Munster hurling seems to be top at moment. This is the 2nd year in a row Munster teams meet and it will be a 4th Munster winner in a row. Just an observation."
Last year Kilkenny and Galway reached the semis. I agree the Munster counties have been a little better than us the last few years though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 10/08/2021 00:29:58    2369370

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hurling goes in cycles Oldtourman as you well know! The first all 1 province final was in 97 Clare v Tipp. The next 2 were Kilkenny v Offaly. I dont think there was a huge difference in standard this year. Clare got a fast start against Wexford and won the first quarter. They then lost the next 2 quarters. The last quarter was pretty even. Kilkenny v Cork went to extra time. Waterford nearly lost to Laois. Galway did better against Waterford than they did against Dublin but were poor in both games tbh. I think Limerick are a bit ahead of the next 8 but on any given day any of the next 8 might win a game against any of the other 7."
Munster is a good bit ahead overall. Youd have to factor in the under 20 and minor situation . Leinster excluding Galway are a good way back. It is all cyclical too but Kilkenny wouldn't have won Munster for the past two years like they have Leinster. The hurling community is too small to be pedantic about this talking point . Dublin and Wexford will only get better and Offaly aswell so the next 10 years will see a leveling

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1578 - 10/08/2021 07:57:20    2369385

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Munster is a good bit ahead overall. Youd have to factor in the under 20 and minor situation . Leinster excluding Galway are a good way back. It is all cyclical too but Kilkenny wouldn't have won Munster for the past two years like they have Leinster. The hurling community is too small to be pedantic about this talking point . Dublin and Wexford will only get better and Offaly aswell so the next 10 years will see a leveling"
Would imagine so. The big 3 and Galway are always producing good young players though. Limerick seem to have their underage structures sorted out too. There have been big improvements in Wexford underage so hopefully these will filter through to minor and u20. Size of player seems to be the biggest problem for us the last few years. Dublin are always strong underage but their problem has been that some of the better players are also great footballers too and opt to play that at senior when forced to make a choice. Waterford have another good crop of players coming through and although Corks defeat of Clare was worrying from a Clare standpoint I'm sure they will come good as well. The most important thing from a countrywide standpoint has to be increased central funding for more fulltime hurling GPOs and coaches in the Joe Mac and Christy Ring counties. Try to build the playing numbers up.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 10/08/2021 11:28:03    2369457

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