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Replying To expe: "It's a professional sport in which 99% of the players are picked for their athletic abilities, they should be well ahead of the GAA in that aspect.
If players can't play for more than 20 minutes without stopping there's something badly wrong. Coaches can coach in training sessions and at half time.
What other sport is moving towards quarters? In which other sports, other than American 'Football' and Basketball, are quarters used?" Is Aussie rules and hockey in qtrs.?
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 09/08/2021 22:10:44
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Could we stretch the duration of a hurling game to 80,90 or even a hundred minutes with 5min breaks and the 15 min at half time.Hurling is such a wonderful spectacle,sure we can't get enough of it.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 09/08/2021 22:21:43
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What skill is involved in being a 200kg bullock being able to hold back a similar sized bullock from hitting one of the 3-4 skilled players on the team?
Lets face it, most NFL players would be flipping burgers but for their obesity and ability to react quickly when a ball is moved.
This thread is a complete wind up (well done to the OP) and as a player, from the 14th minute the game loses its momentum because players know the water break is inevitable.
We hurled a match at the weekend and the game was just getting going when we had to stop for water. There is not 1 player anywhere on the pitch who can't get to a water bottle if they need a drink. There is any amount of injury stoppages, etc as needed.
At our water break, particularly in the league or in practice matches (both teams agreed no water break in a few practice matches this year), our water bottle was marked with the players name. A couple of times in the matches, I went over at a break in play. It took 10 seconds.
The most ridiculous one was last year, we had a match in the pouring rain and next thing "water break".
The water break is ridiculous and lets face it, the white board is the modern day "look at me" for the coach. Its a bit like when the warm up was 50 cones around the place - a "look at me" for the physio/coach/etc.
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Is Aussie rules and hockey in qtrs.?" Both played in quarters
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Replying To StoreysTash: "What skill is involved in being a 200kg bullock being able to hold back a similar sized bullock from hitting one of the 3-4 skilled players on the team?
Lets face it, most NFL players would be flipping burgers but for their obesity and ability to react quickly when a ball is moved.
This thread is a complete wind up (well done to the OP) and as a player, from the 14th minute the game loses its momentum because players know the water break is inevitable.
We hurled a match at the weekend and the game was just getting going when we had to stop for water. There is not 1 player anywhere on the pitch who can't get to a water bottle if they need a drink. There is any amount of injury stoppages, etc as needed.
At our water break, particularly in the league or in practice matches (both teams agreed no water break in a few practice matches this year), our water bottle was marked with the players name. A couple of times in the matches, I went over at a break in play. It took 10 seconds.
The most ridiculous one was last year, we had a match in the pouring rain and next thing "water break".
The water break is ridiculous and lets face it, the white board is the modern day "look at me" for the coach. Its a bit like when the warm up was 50 cones around the place - a "look at me" for the physio/coach/etc." Again showing huge amount of ignorance of what many of the american footballers do,
Look at speed, power of those guys and what are you determining as skilled players anyway?
The very big players are nowhere near obese.
and a white board isnt a looke at me for coach the same with a warm up using a lot of cones. a well organised coach will have set out exactly what theyre doing and be able to move on to next drill/part of training session or warm up for match without any delay or waste of time waiting for something else to be drawn up
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 11/08/2021 11:52:29
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Replying To StoreysTash: "What skill is involved in being a 200kg bullock being able to hold back a similar sized bullock from hitting one of the 3-4 skilled players on the team?
Lets face it, most NFL players would be flipping burgers but for their obesity and ability to react quickly when a ball is moved.
This thread is a complete wind up (well done to the OP) and as a player, from the 14th minute the game loses its momentum because players know the water break is inevitable.
We hurled a match at the weekend and the game was just getting going when we had to stop for water. There is not 1 player anywhere on the pitch who can't get to a water bottle if they need a drink. There is any amount of injury stoppages, etc as needed.
At our water break, particularly in the league or in practice matches (both teams agreed no water break in a few practice matches this year), our water bottle was marked with the players name. A couple of times in the matches, I went over at a break in play. It took 10 seconds.
The most ridiculous one was last year, we had a match in the pouring rain and next thing "water break".
The water break is ridiculous and lets face it, the white board is the modern day "look at me" for the coach. Its a bit like when the warm up was 50 cones around the place - a "look at me" for the physio/coach/etc." Ye weren't going to drink the rain now were ye! hence the water break to irrigate internally!
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "Ye weren't going to drink the rain now were ye! hence the water break to irrigate internally!" I don't think sweat or dehydration were problems on the day!!!
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 11/08/2021 12:39:40
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Again American football is light years ahead athletically. Speed ,strength ,tactics. Most of those huge men would still be faster over 10 to 40 yards than Jack O Connor. And of course the running backs and corners and recievers would leave Jack O Connir and our fastest GAA players for dead. No contest.
I think alot of GAA people will agree with you that quarters need to go. It is an amateur organisation and most new innovations struggle to get past that. It would be a retrograde step to take away the quarters.
1. Gives good Coaches a chance to coach.
2. Allows teams and players getting beat to reset.
3. Players get rest
4. Fans get a rest, toilet breaks ect.
5 . TV companies get to chat with analysts, advertise ect.
6. Bad teams and bad/ slow to make changes coaches have less chance of winning with quarters.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 11/08/2021 12:43:29
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limerick seem to have an advantage with these water breaks because kinnerk is so astute and smart that after the first 17 or 18 minutes he has the other team figured out and is able to adjust accordingly.......i think its only fair that the water break is there because the gaa banned the coaches from being on the field last january. ( which was ridiculous.) .how else can kinnerk get he's message to the players if he cant go up and down the line to chat to the players....but one thing for sure is if limerick win the all ireland again this year water breaks and tactic boards will be gone forever more.
munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1100 - 11/08/2021 13:10:25
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Replying To StoreysTash: "What skill is involved in being a 200kg bullock being able to hold back a similar sized bullock from hitting one of the 3-4 skilled players on the team?
Lets face it, most NFL players would be flipping burgers but for their obesity and ability to react quickly when a ball is moved.
This thread is a complete wind up (well done to the OP) and as a player, from the 14th minute the game loses its momentum because players know the water break is inevitable.
We hurled a match at the weekend and the game was just getting going when we had to stop for water. There is not 1 player anywhere on the pitch who can't get to a water bottle if they need a drink. There is any amount of injury stoppages, etc as needed.
At our water break, particularly in the league or in practice matches (both teams agreed no water break in a few practice matches this year), our water bottle was marked with the players name. A couple of times in the matches, I went over at a break in play. It took 10 seconds.
The most ridiculous one was last year, we had a match in the pouring rain and next thing "water break".
The water break is ridiculous and lets face it, the white board is the modern day "look at me" for the coach. Its a bit like when the warm up was 50 cones around the place - a "look at me" for the physio/coach/etc." Ye had a quarter of the match played and it was just getting going ?? No wonder you don't want a water break ! You don't absorb water to your skin! You still need to keep hydrated raining or not! you still sweat if you are pushing to the max which obviously ye are not seen as the game is only getting going 15 minutes in. American football is a highly skilled sport and we should learn from it. You could say the same about bolt in the 100m if he wasn't blessed with his genetics then he probably would have a normal job like the rest of us. I don't think the water break has hindered any hurling match this year. Modern players love to receive as much information as possible and these breaks give coaches a chance to organise their teams properly. And it also gives players the comfort that they can push hard safe in the knowledge they will have a break 15 minutes in. I also think it could prolong the careers of top hurlers and footballers!
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 11/08/2021 13:38:56
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The time for coaching is in training, the time for players to control their own destiny is in a game situation. That is where players put the coaching to practice.
The NFL is not an example to anybody, players fail PED tests all the time I believe.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 11/08/2021 13:58:12
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Replying To ecad123: "Ye had a quarter of the match played and it was just getting going ?? No wonder you don't want a water break ! You don't absorb water to your skin! You still need to keep hydrated raining or not! you still sweat if you are pushing to the max which obviously ye are not seen as the game is only getting going 15 minutes in. American football is a highly skilled sport and we should learn from it. You could say the same about bolt in the 100m if he wasn't blessed with his genetics then he probably would have a normal job like the rest of us. I don't think the water break has hindered any hurling match this year. Modern players love to receive as much information as possible and these breaks give coaches a chance to organise their teams properly. And it also gives players the comfort that they can push hard safe in the knowledge they will have a break 15 minutes in. I also think it could prolong the careers of top hurlers and footballers!" Not sure how a 1 minute break in the halves is going to prolong anyone's career. There are longer breaks in most games due to injuries. Or as someone else suggested let fans go to toilets that are usually more than a minute away from the seats. Alot of nonsense being talked on this in support of the waterbreaks.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12035 - 11/08/2021 14:14:44
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Replying To StoreysTash: "The time for coaching is in training, the time for players to control their own destiny is in a game situation. That is where players put the coaching to practice.
The NFL is not an example to anybody, players fail PED tests all the time I believe." The breaks in NFL are purely Revenue driven. They have nothing to do with player welfare or coaching. And I like NFL I'm not saying that because I dont like it. The plays all have to be memorized by the players and executed with split second precision the lads playing and coaching it are far from morons. Still far prefer hurling as a game to watch though!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12035 - 11/08/2021 14:56:01
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Replying To Viking66: "Not sure how a 1 minute break in the halves is going to prolong anyone's career. There are longer breaks in most games due to injuries. Or as someone else suggested let fans go to toilets that are usually more than a minute away from the seats. Alot of nonsense being talked on this in support of the waterbreaks." Yes but you still can't tune out at that time, I know they do benefit older players playing at lower level. I like them and they do give you a breather. They also give managers a chance to get information in and organise! I don't see the problem with them if anything they make the games more interesting . Can't understand why people are against them I think people just don't like change! The reasons to get rid of them don't make sense to me.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 11/08/2021 15:11:42
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Replying To Viking66: "The breaks in NFL are purely Revenue driven. They have nothing to do with player welfare or coaching. And I like NFL I'm not saying that because I dont like it. The plays all have to be memorized by the players and executed with split second precision the lads playing and coaching it are far from morons. Still far prefer hurling as a game to watch though!!!!" Theyre not purely revenue driven. been in place for all games for long time now even those non tv games which means it isnt revenue driven.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 11/08/2021 15:12:17
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Replying To StoreysTash: "What skill is involved in being a 200kg bullock being able to hold back a similar sized bullock from hitting one of the 3-4 skilled players on the team?
Lets face it, most NFL players would be flipping burgers but for their obesity and ability to react quickly when a ball is moved.
This thread is a complete wind up (well done to the OP) and as a player, from the 14th minute the game loses its momentum because players know the water break is inevitable.
We hurled a match at the weekend and the game was just getting going when we had to stop for water. There is not 1 player anywhere on the pitch who can't get to a water bottle if they need a drink. There is any amount of injury stoppages, etc as needed.
At our water break, particularly in the league or in practice matches (both teams agreed no water break in a few practice matches this year), our water bottle was marked with the players name. A couple of times in the matches, I went over at a break in play. It took 10 seconds.
The most ridiculous one was last year, we had a match in the pouring rain and next thing "water break".
The water break is ridiculous and lets face it, the white board is the modern day "look at me" for the coach. Its a bit like when the warm up was 50 cones around the place - a "look at me" for the physio/coach/etc." With all due respect StoreysTash, that is a big load of bullocks!!
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Replying To bloodyban: "Again American football is light years ahead athletically. Speed ,strength ,tactics. Most of those huge men would still be faster over 10 to 40 yards than Jack O Connor. And of course the running backs and corners and recievers would leave Jack O Connir and our fastest GAA players for dead. No contest.
I think alot of GAA people will agree with you that quarters need to go. It is an amateur organisation and most new innovations struggle to get past that. It would be a retrograde step to take away the quarters.
1. Gives good Coaches a chance to coach.
2. Allows teams and players getting beat to reset.
3. Players get rest
4. Fans get a rest, toilet breaks ect.
5 . TV companies get to chat with analysts, advertise ect.
6. Bad teams and bad/ slow to make changes coaches have less chance of winning with quarters." I think keeping the quarters for players welfare could be a good thing. But not for coaches to intervene. Let them talk at halftime and players reset their tactics within themselves at quarter breaks. A good coach should get the balance between having their team playing to prepared tactics and how to react if things aren't going to plan.
American football is a good sport / multi million dollar industry. Stop start nature, defensive, attacking teams, kickers no player stays on the pitch for the duration of gametime. It's all rigid tactics, each player has the plays drilled into them for each game. Could be the ultimate team game, but almost no scope for moments of off the cuff individual brilliance like we have in hurling or gaelic football. I'm a bit fascinated by tactics there and regret never going to see an NFL or colleges game for the hits alone. But I'd miss the off your seat buzz of seeing a point scored one minute and in the next minute a goal is scored the other end because stoppages are minimal in comparison. Probably not many team ball sports are as poor a comparison to Hurling and Gaelic football as American football. Soccer is a better comparison for me most players on the pitch, no rolling in and out subs. Yes for waterbreaks but no to coaches coaching during water breaks.
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Replying To KillingFields: "Theyre not purely revenue driven. been in place for all games for long time now even those non tv games which means it isnt revenue driven." American football games in the pre tv era lasted between an hour and an hour and a half less due to no advert breaks.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12035 - 11/08/2021 15:59:39
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How long do they take for these water breaks exactly? Or does it vary what with coaches speaking to them?
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Replying To Suas Sios: "How long do they take for these water breaks exactly? Or does it vary what with coaches speaking to them?" It's supposed to be less than a minute.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12035 - 11/08/2021 19:03:54
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