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I listened to Michael Duignan complain about the water-breaks, and that they're not the place for white-boards. I totally disagree with him. The game is so much better now than it used to be, because of the water-breaks and the white-boards. These little breaks allow the input from the shrewd men on the sideline, the high hurling brain, the tactician. And isn't that great? You see that reflected in the play. It makes for a far better game, mixing the brain with the brawn. Limerick, with Kinnerick, seem to be masters at it. But I bet, Brian Cody loves these water-breaks, too. Other teams can get good at it quite fast, if they embrace it, instead of railing against it. Long may the water-breaks and white-boards continue. Hopefully congress will pass a motion to keep them. The old system---can people even recall it?---seems so passé at this stage, well past it time, even only after two years.
See, in America, we have a great game of football, and one of the things that makes it great is our four quarters system, not two halves. And our sport is professional. I mean hurling is professional in everything but name and pay. However, sports research (both psychological and physical) shows that a game of four quarters, of say 20 minutes per quarter, as opposed to two halves of 40 minutes, is more beneficial to the players in every way. AND that is important. If the authorities, or ye that hurl on the ditch, want the old system back, please ask the players first before making a decision to revert back to it. I strongly believe that if it is put to the players to keep or discard the water-breaks, that a high percentage of them will vote in favor of keeping them. And shouldn't the players be put first when making such a decision? Shouldn't their health and well-being be of the utmost importance? Shouldn't that come before "tradition" and "the way we've always done things"?
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I have my doubts that the majority of players would favour the retention of the water break. I don't think too many in Waterford will be in favour of it anyway after yesterday.
There are 4 quarters in American football primarily for commercial reasons so that the TV companies can fit in more ad breaks. Any other reason is secondary.
Anyway it is all academic. It is inevitable that the water break will be ditched as soon as all concerns about covid are gone ....though I suppose that could be a while yet.
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "I have my doubts that the majority of players would favour the retention of the water break. I don't think too many in Waterford will be in favour of it anyway after yesterday.
There are 4 quarters in American football primarily for commercial reasons so that the TV companies can fit in more ad breaks. Any other reason is secondary.
Anyway it is all academic. It is inevitable that the water break will be ditched as soon as all concerns about covid are gone ....though I suppose that could be a while yet." I deliberately avoided mentioning the advertising aspect involved in our football, becoz I mentioned previously on a different thread that the water breaks could be used for advertising like we do in the US, and that the GAA would make a lot of money. Some fellas nearly swallowed their false teeth at my suggestion.
Therefore, my point now is that the water-breaks are well worth keeping, based on their own merit, and nothing to do with advertising revenue.
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You don't have a great game of football, it's the worst code of 'football' going and shouldn't really be called football when it isn't played with the feet. It takes about 3 hours to play a game, most of which is spent with the players stood around doing nothing. There's a reason why hardly anyone else in the world plays it.
It's a water break, not a tactics break, getting a white board out has nothing to do with the players health and well being. They don't need to stop the game for players to take on water, it wasn't an issue for the last 130 years. Sport is about players competing against each other and making their own decisions, not having to be micro managed through every step of a game.
Just the typical American arrogance, thinking they know better than the rest of the world.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I listened to Michael Duignan complain about the water-breaks, and that they're not the place for white-boards. I totally disagree with him. The game is so much better now than it used to be, because of the water-breaks and the white-boards. These little breaks allow the input from the shrewd men on the sideline, the high hurling brain, the tactician. And isn't that great? You see that reflected in the play. It makes for a far better game, mixing the brain with the brawn. Limerick, with Kinnerick, seem to be masters at it. But I bet, Brian Cody loves these water-breaks, too. Other teams can get good at it quite fast, if they embrace it, instead of railing against it. Long may the water-breaks and white-boards continue. Hopefully congress will pass a motion to keep them. The old system---can people even recall it?---seems so passé at this stage, well past it time, even only after two years.
See, in America, we have a great game of football, and one of the things that makes it great is our four quarters system, not two halves. And our sport is professional. I mean hurling is professional in everything but name and pay. However, sports research (both psychological and physical) shows that a game of four quarters, of say 20 minutes per quarter, as opposed to two halves of 40 minutes, is more beneficial to the players in every way. AND that is important. If the authorities, or ye that hurl on the ditch, want the old system back, please ask the players first before making a decision to revert back to it. I strongly believe that if it is put to the players to keep or discard the water-breaks, that a high percentage of them will vote in favor of keeping them. And shouldn't the players be put first when making such a decision? Shouldn't their health and well-being be of the utmost importance? Shouldn't that come before "tradition" and "the way we've always done things"?" I didnt post an answer straight away but instead asked over a dozen players currently playing that I know. Only 1 was undecided the other 11 reckoned waterbreaks were unnecessary and ruined the momentum of the game. I'm an NFL fan since the early 80s but it's a completely different game. There are breaks in the game after every play. Players are often changed play by play. Very few see every snap, on defense or offense, and even if they did that would still only be half the game they were on the pitch. Usually it's only in the last 2 minutes of either half that you might get some no huddle offense and continuous play that lasts more than a few seconds.
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Yay America
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I agree that the four quarters should be kept. It makes for a better game. I like seeing what teams bring after each quarter. Alot of sports have quarters now and really American sports lead the way in this and we can do worse than follow their methods. Their sports science ,coaching and management are light years ahead of the rest of the world in team sport. Sure we ll probably go back to two halves but it will be a negative and regressive thing. The bad teams will be happy ,the poor coaches will be happy.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 08/08/2021 14:27:59
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Replying To expe: "You don't have a great game of football, it's the worst code of 'football' going and shouldn't really be called football when it isn't played with the feet. It takes about 3 hours to play a game, most of which is spent with the players stood around doing nothing. There's a reason why hardly anyone else in the world plays it.
It's a water break, not a tactics break, getting a white board out has nothing to do with the players health and well being. They don't need to stop the game for players to take on water, it wasn't an issue for the last 130 years. Sport is about players competing against each other and making their own decisions, not having to be micro managed through every step of a game.
Just the typical American arrogance, thinking they know better than the rest of the world." Abit of crude Anti Americanism. Totally wrong. Weather American football is your cup of tea or not is irrelevant. Its light years ahead of gaelic games in tactics, conditioning, speed of the players, strength ect. I prefer hurling as a game but I'm not blind to the obvious.
Quarters are a natural progression. Players need a break and coaches need a chance to coach. The GAA is mot professional its still very much amateur . Bringing in quarters permanently is a positive.
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Replying To expe: "You don't have a great game of football, it's the worst code of 'football' going and shouldn't really be called football when it isn't played with the feet. It takes about 3 hours to play a game, most of which is spent with the players stood around doing nothing. There's a reason why hardly anyone else in the world plays it.
It's a water break, not a tactics break, getting a white board out has nothing to do with the players health and well being. They don't need to stop the game for players to take on water, it wasn't an issue for the last 130 years. Sport is about players competing against each other and making their own decisions, not having to be micro managed through every step of a game.
Just the typical American arrogance, thinking they know better than the rest of the world." Spot on with that post. Most "football" players haven't touched a ball in their careers! What kind of sport is that?
Water breaks were brought in because of covid. Management team shouldn't be let near them.
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Replying To tiobraid: "Spot on with that post. Most "football" players haven't touched a ball in their careers! What kind of sport is that?
Water breaks were brought in because of covid. Management team shouldn't be let near them." Water breaks could be renamed the regrouping breaks. Some teams take time to get into their flow and then bang, water break. We're not living in Mexico.
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Replying To bloodyban: "Abit of crude Anti Americanism. Totally wrong. Weather American football is your cup of tea or not is irrelevant. Its light years ahead of gaelic games in tactics, conditioning, speed of the players, strength ect. I prefer hurling as a game but I'm not blind to the obvious.
Quarters are a natural progression. Players need a break and coaches need a chance to coach. The GAA is mot professional its still very much amateur . Bringing in quarters permanently is a positive." It's a professional sport in which 99% of the players are picked for their athletic abilities, they should be well ahead of the GAA in that aspect.
If players can't play for more than 20 minutes without stopping there's something badly wrong. Coaches can coach in training sessions and at half time.
What other sport is moving towards quarters? In which other sports, other than American 'Football' and Basketball, are quarters used?
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Gas today seeing Kingston take a drink out of his water and then fire it onto one of the lads on the pitch. Sooner the water break is done away with the better
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Replying To expe: "It's a professional sport in which 99% of the players are picked for their athletic abilities, they should be well ahead of the GAA in that aspect.
If players can't play for more than 20 minutes without stopping there's something badly wrong. Coaches can coach in training sessions and at half time.
What other sport is moving towards quarters? In which other sports, other than American 'Football' and Basketball, are quarters used?" Hockey (as in not ice hockey) has introduced it. Afl in australia has it. Lacrosse has it. I would not be getting my knickers in a knot about it. It's there for covid and there's nobody clamoring for it to be kept. It was also formally trialled before in the 1990s or maybe late 80s. I've also zero bother looking to other sports for little tweaks, you should be actively doing it actually.
I also don't know why you're going in a rant against American football. It's a great game though not really comparable to hurling. Not alone do they have quarters but they also have time outs, two minutes warning, coaches appeal flag, touch down reviews, clock stops for incomplete passes, when ball goes out of play. Turn over of the full team from offence to attack on downs. And I'm sure there are a few more formal stoppages. It's also pretty close to a 100% set play. The athleticism of some of the players is also off the charts and a joy to watch. And then there's Tom Brady, who at 44 with 7 super bowls is still going. No prizes for guessing where his ancestors are from.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I listened to Michael Duignan complain about the water-breaks, and that they're not the place for white-boards. I totally disagree with him. The game is so much better now than it used to be, because of the water-breaks and the white-boards. These little breaks allow the input from the shrewd men on the sideline, the high hurling brain, the tactician. And isn't that great? You see that reflected in the play. It makes for a far better game, mixing the brain with the brawn. Limerick, with Kinnerick, seem to be masters at it. But I bet, Brian Cody loves these water-breaks, too. Other teams can get good at it quite fast, if they embrace it, instead of railing against it. Long may the water-breaks and white-boards continue. Hopefully congress will pass a motion to keep them. The old system---can people even recall it?---seems so passé at this stage, well past it time, even only after two years.
See, in America, we have a great game of football, and one of the things that makes it great is our four quarters system, not two halves. And our sport is professional. I mean hurling is professional in everything but name and pay. However, sports research (both psychological and physical) shows that a game of four quarters, of say 20 minutes per quarter, as opposed to two halves of 40 minutes, is more beneficial to the players in every way. AND that is important. If the authorities, or ye that hurl on the ditch, want the old system back, please ask the players first before making a decision to revert back to it. I strongly believe that if it is put to the players to keep or discard the water-breaks, that a high percentage of them will vote in favor of keeping them. And shouldn't the players be put first when making such a decision? Shouldn't their health and well-being be of the utmost importance? Shouldn't that come before "tradition" and "the way we've always done things"?" What physical and psychological benefits has research shown that are there to players by splitting halves into quarters? I'm not against it but I don't like seeing a team with momentum being taken out of their flow by a quarter break. I also think with 2021 S&C, technology, pyschocology and tactical analysis that there should be no need for a coach giving tactical advice mid half. Let the team take their break separate from everyone, decide how the tactics can change for the next quarter. Players should be more than able to think for themselves and then talk to coaches at halftime. There's too much playing to preplanned tactics already and not enough of players thinking for themselves and playing the game off the cuff.
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Replying To bloodyban: "Abit of crude Anti Americanism. Totally wrong. Weather American football is your cup of tea or not is irrelevant. Its light years ahead of gaelic games in tactics, conditioning, speed of the players, strength ect. I prefer hurling as a game but I'm not blind to the obvious.
Quarters are a natural progression. Players need a break and coaches need a chance to coach. The GAA is mot professional its still very much amateur . Bringing in quarters permanently is a positive." Simply not true. Conditioning of players for GAA should follow professional soccer more than American football. One or two skilful players in each team is all you get in American football. The rest are steroid fuelled mules. Unless you want over sized, under skilled professionals playing GAA.
American sport is interesting, but let's be honest, not much to it. Baseball is a poor mans Cricket, and Cricket is not great. American Football is a crude game of chess, except lasts way too long. In fact, I think American football would benefit if they didn't allow tactical input from the bench between each play. Basketball, is of course skilful but incredibly boring. Got to be one of the least watched sports at the Olympics, despite being so widely played around the world.
I suspect this thread was created as a wind up and a fishing exercise. My compliments to the author.
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The sooner the water breaks are gone the better, shouldn't be any more need for them after this year PG, we have to get back to normal life, Covid is going to be with us forever like every other disease and virus,
these water breaks ruin the flow of the game.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I listened to Michael Duignan complain about the water-breaks, and that they're not the place for white-boards. I totally disagree with him. The game is so much better now than it used to be, because of the water-breaks and the white-boards. These little breaks allow the input from the shrewd men on the sideline, the high hurling brain, the tactician. And isn't that great? You see that reflected in the play. It makes for a far better game, mixing the brain with the brawn. Limerick, with Kinnerick, seem to be masters at it. But I bet, Brian Cody loves these water-breaks, too. Other teams can get good at it quite fast, if they embrace it, instead of railing against it. Long may the water-breaks and white-boards continue. Hopefully congress will pass a motion to keep them. The old system---can people even recall it?---seems so passé at this stage, well past it time, even only after two years.
See, in America, we have a great game of football, and one of the things that makes it great is our four quarters system, not two halves. And our sport is professional. I mean hurling is professional in everything but name and pay. However, sports research (both psychological and physical) shows that a game of four quarters, of say 20 minutes per quarter, as opposed to two halves of 40 minutes, is more beneficial to the players in every way. AND that is important. If the authorities, or ye that hurl on the ditch, want the old system back, please ask the players first before making a decision to revert back to it. I strongly believe that if it is put to the players to keep or discard the water-breaks, that a high percentage of them will vote in favor of keeping them. And shouldn't the players be put first when making such a decision? Shouldn't their health and well-being be of the utmost importance? Shouldn't that come before "tradition" and "the way we've always done things"?" "See, in america we have a great game of football" Lol
Good effort but you are no Tom Smith.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "The sooner the water breaks are gone the better, shouldn't be any more need for them after this year PG, we have to get back to normal life, Covid is going to be with us forever like every other disease and virus,
these water breaks ruin the flow of the game." I disagree I think they are a good chance for management to relay their messages across properly. It also allows a rest for players and might give older players a chance in prolonging their careers. The way hurling is going now players will be retiring mid twenties. Matches have been brilliant this year and it's great to see the different flows in each quarter. I think I would like them to stay.
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Replying To BaldyBadger: "Simply not true. Conditioning of players for GAA should follow professional soccer more than American football. One or two skilful players in each team is all you get in American football. The rest are steroid fuelled mules. Unless you want over sized, under skilled professionals playing GAA.
American sport is interesting, but let's be honest, not much to it. Baseball is a poor mans Cricket, and Cricket is not great. American Football is a crude game of chess, except lasts way too long. In fact, I think American football would benefit if they didn't allow tactical input from the bench between each play. Basketball, is of course skilful but incredibly boring. Got to be one of the least watched sports at the Olympics, despite being so widely played around the world.
I suspect this thread was created as a wind up and a fishing exercise. My compliments to the author." You havent watched much if any american football if you think there is only one or two skillful players in each team.
The sport isnt at all full of "steroid fuelled mules" as you say.
Baseball isnt that bad and nothing wrong with cricket either.
You are highly ignorant of all sports by the look of things. you really need to educate yourself.
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Replying To bloodyban: "Abit of crude Anti Americanism. Totally wrong. Weather American football is your cup of tea or not is irrelevant. Its light years ahead of gaelic games in tactics, conditioning, speed of the players, strength ect. I prefer hurling as a game but I'm not blind to the obvious.
Quarters are a natural progression. Players need a break and coaches need a chance to coach. The GAA is mot professional its still very much amateur . Bringing in quarters permanently is a positive." Would you have four 20 min qtrs.?
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