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Replying To lionofludesch: "Ciarán Kilkenny seemed to enjoy it anyway, so he did." I must see my doctor about these brainfarts I keep having.
Ciarán Whelan, not Kilkenny.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 31/08/2021 10:40:58
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Buckley will not be manager but might be in backroom team although he was got rid of twice." fair enough ciarramick I cant debate that, just passing on the chat, good luck to them with who ever the pick, so long as its not JO'C.
Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 31/08/2021 10:46:03
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Replying To Cuhullain: "fair enough ciarramick I cant debate that, just passing on the chat, good luck to them with who ever the pick, so long as its not JO'C." Thanks Cuhullain
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 31/08/2021 13:02:54
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Replying To Saynothing: "Wouldn't say they're soft at all. Check out the foul on Mc Greary , 23rd minute in the build up to goal, as he lays the ball off he gets a shoulder into the ribs, thought at the time ref would come back to it and give a black card. All teams play that game not just Tyrone." I'd say they are soft, but maybe more mentally than physically.
In the past I remember the likes of McConville and Canavan saying that nobody hits as hard as Kerry but I don't think that's the case anymore. It is one thing leaving a bit on McGeary when he's passing a ball, but there are very few Kerry players able to win that proper dirty ball, burst through tacklers or ride a challenge. Not enough farmers or builders in the panel these days.
Kerry are soft mentally. We've hoovered up easy All-Irelands because we are almost always competitive, but in recent years, we've been found wanting in tough seasons when there is genuine strong opposition. Maybe we need to remove some of the style and put in a few more stoppers. I'd love if we could find a hard man like Eamonn Breen in the county, but there just don't seem to be any. Not to mention finding another Seamus Moynihan.
Having said that, Armie Heinrich who was centre back for the U20 team that lost to Derry in the AI final, looks a brilliant prospect at number 6.
kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 76 - 31/08/2021 13:05:28
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I think the semi finals this year were up there with the best pairings we have seen, possibly of all time, with the exclusion of the Dublin/Mayo, Kerry/Mayo or Kerry/Dublin pairings.
Regards whether this game was dirty. Not one bit.
Regarding whether it was physical, compared to most games, I would say it was neither above or below the odds.
Kerry looked like a better team for long stretches of the game, but when it mattered, they seemed to lose concentration.
Well done tyrone.
The final should be a cracker. I hope that Mayo win it, for the simple reason that they have tried for years to do so unsuccessfully. They deserve a break and this final could be the making of them.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 31/08/2021 13:13:49
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Big part of Tyrone's win I think is down to Peter Donnelly.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 31/08/2021 14:07:03
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Replying To kingdom_come: "I'd say they are soft, but maybe more mentally than physically.
In the past I remember the likes of McConville and Canavan saying that nobody hits as hard as Kerry but I don't think that's the case anymore. It is one thing leaving a bit on McGeary when he's passing a ball, but there are very few Kerry players able to win that proper dirty ball, burst through tacklers or ride a challenge. Not enough farmers or builders in the panel these days.
Kerry are soft mentally. We've hoovered up easy All-Irelands because we are almost always competitive, but in recent years, we've been found wanting in tough seasons when there is genuine strong opposition. Maybe we need to remove some of the style and put in a few more stoppers. I'd love if we could find a hard man like Eamonn Breen in the county, but there just don't seem to be any. Not to mention finding another Seamus Moynihan.
Having said that, Armie Heinrich who was centre back for the U20 team that lost to Derry in the AI final, looks a brilliant prospect at number 6." Armie is an excellent prospect at centreback but he's a couple of years away physically.
Paul Murphy can NEVER play centerback EVER again.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/08/2021 14:36:41
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Armie is an excellent prospect at centreback but he's a couple of years away physically.
Paul Murphy can NEVER play centerback EVER again." I can't answer anything. But I will answer one thing!
You'll never again find another Seamus Moynihan! Never again.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1926 - 31/08/2021 16:06:28
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Just to clear it up. I heard Tyrone were instructed not to take the vaccine back in May.
Was that true?
Be interested to know facts (apart from press releases)
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 01/09/2021 09:25:43
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Replying To Ashrules: "Just to clear it up. I heard Tyrone were instructed not to take the vaccine back in May.
Was that true?
Be interested to know facts (apart from press releases)" A bit of a myth, I'd say. I don't think 20-30 years olds were eligible for vaccines in May? And if other teams got vaccinated around that time, they were probably in breach of the guidelines then!
football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 01/09/2021 09:36:40
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Replying To Curlew66: "Thought Joanne handled it very well, she allowed Pat's rant to go on because Cavanagh was giving as good as he got . She was always in control and wasn't long reeling him in when she wanted to
Joanne's strength as a presenter is that she knows her sport, is confident and holds panelist's accountable for their comments. She would never tolerate a player being described as a 'two trick pony' and the panel know that by now. In the past TSG pundits ran the show and competed for the most personally offensive put down of a player or team. That standard of analysis might be OK for the bar stool but not in the studio of our national broadcaster discussing amateur players.
Chances are that if O'Rourke is on for the final she will challenge him on his 'eat my hat' comments on Brian Dooher (3 times All Ireland winner, twice as captain and now joint manager of a finalist) and describing Tyrone as a 'team with a bad smell'. .
Finding TSG so much more enjoyable post Brolly as all panelist get a chance to contribute." Well in fairness I'm sure Joanne has said things 20 years ago that could be thrown back at her now,, that's the beauty of being a presenter, you never have to worry about ending up being proved wrong.
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So Thomas O Shea, slates the Kerry manager for their performance last Saturday, says they're going nowhere with him and then runs off to assist Offaly...if he's that sure he knows more then why doesn't he stay at home and help out his own county. Far away cows have long horns Thomas.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 01/09/2021 22:05:24
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Replying To border Gael: "So Thomas O Shea, slates the Kerry manager for their performance last Saturday, says they're going nowhere with him and then runs off to assist Offaly...if he's that sure he knows more then why doesn't he stay at home and help out his own county. Far away cows have long horns Thomas." I've always been a big fan of bovine analogies. It's something that has been lost in the game recently.
Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 01/09/2021 22:46:10
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Replying To border Gael: "So Thomas O Shea, slates the Kerry manager for their performance last Saturday, says they're going nowhere with him and then runs off to assist Offaly...if he's that sure he knows more then why doesn't he stay at home and help out his own county. Far away cows have long horns Thomas." Tomás Ó Sé.
If you're going to slag him off you could at least get his name right.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 01/09/2021 23:18:28
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Replying To Curlew66: "Thought Joanne handled it very well, she allowed Pat's rant to go on because Cavanagh was giving as good as he got . She was always in control and wasn't long reeling him in when she wanted to
Joanne's strength as a presenter is that she knows her sport, is confident and holds panelist's accountable for their comments. She would never tolerate a player being described as a 'two trick pony' and the panel know that by now. In the past TSG pundits ran the show and competed for the most personally offensive put down of a player or team. That standard of analysis might be OK for the bar stool but not in the studio of our national broadcaster discussing amateur players.
Chances are that if O'Rourke is on for the final she will challenge him on his 'eat my hat' comments on Brian Dooher (3 times All Ireland winner, twice as captain and now joint manager of a finalist) and describing Tyrone as a 'team with a bad smell'. .
Finding TSG so much more enjoyable post Brolly as all panelist get a chance to contribute." Honestly ? I must have been watching a different channel. You have acknowledged that Spillane was ranting. Is that good form from a presenter to allow ? Kavanagh did try to butt in a few times but Spillane kept saying let me finish and would have gone on until the next day if left. He did not want Kavanagh to have any say and spoke right over him. If you time the sound bytes it is obviously who is conducting the orchestra and Joanne allowed. May be I got a shortened edition of it. No axe to grind with Joanne and actually like her but loud mouth's shouting their point of view should not be given a soap box. Especially on national t.v.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 01/09/2021 23:35:16
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Replying To Ashrules: "Just to clear it up. I heard Tyrone were instructed not to take the vaccine back in May.
Was that true?
Be interested to know facts (apart from press releases)" "Instructed"? Who did you hear that from? What's the source? News to me, anyway
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 02/09/2021 01:23:02
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Replying To kingdom_come: "I'd say they are soft, but maybe more mentally than physically.
In the past I remember the likes of McConville and Canavan saying that nobody hits as hard as Kerry but I don't think that's the case anymore. It is one thing leaving a bit on McGeary when he's passing a ball, but there are very few Kerry players able to win that proper dirty ball, burst through tacklers or ride a challenge. Not enough farmers or builders in the panel these days.
Kerry are soft mentally. We've hoovered up easy All-Irelands because we are almost always competitive, but in recent years, we've been found wanting in tough seasons when there is genuine strong opposition. Maybe we need to remove some of the style and put in a few more stoppers. I'd love if we could find a hard man like Eamonn Breen in the county, but there just don't seem to be any. Not to mention finding another Seamus Moynihan.
Having said that, Armie Heinrich who was centre back for the U20 team that lost to Derry in the AI final, looks a brilliant prospect at number 6." Bit harsh on Kerry I reckon. Complacent more like - as would any team that had already hammered the opposition by a cricket score a short time previously, and the entire national narrative was that you'd be in the final.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 02/09/2021 01:25:15
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"I thought David Coldrick had a poor game, the sort of display a fella puts in when he's trying to get noticed for the final.
The Tyrone physios were on and off so many times I thought they'd be in danger of cramping up themselves. Coldrick didn't seem to be able to keep tabs on them. But they fairly took the sting out of the black cards all the same."
Darragh Ó Sé wrote the above. As far as I remember, Clifford's injury took up most of the time lost. When McCann and Harte were down, they had both had good whacks. McCann getting a head collision which he was taken off for to be checked. Ó Sé also failed to mention that there were two black cards that should have been given to Kerry which were clearer than those given to Tyrone. I think it's fairly poor writing.
HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 02/09/2021 09:27:21
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Replying To border Gael: "So Thomas O Shea, slates the Kerry manager for their performance last Saturday, says they're going nowhere with him and then runs off to assist Offaly...if he's that sure he knows more then why doesn't he stay at home and help out his own county. Far away cows have long horns Thomas." The Monaghan cows must have even longer horns when Donie Buckley ended up there.
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Replying To HokeyPokey: ""I thought David Coldrick had a poor game, the sort of display a fella puts in when he's trying to get noticed for the final.
The Tyrone physios were on and off so many times I thought they'd be in danger of cramping up themselves. Coldrick didn't seem to be able to keep tabs on them. But they fairly took the sting out of the black cards all the same."
Darragh Ó Sé wrote the above. As far as I remember, Clifford's injury took up most of the time lost. When McCann and Harte were down, they had both had good whacks. McCann getting a head collision which he was taken off for to be checked. Ó Sé also failed to mention that there were two black cards that should have been given to Kerry which were clearer than those given to Tyrone. I think it's fairly poor writing." Coldrick had a great game. He was consistent for both sides. One thing I like about his reffing is that he puts the onus is on the player in possession to play the ball. If that player get surrounded or bottled up by opponents but not fouled, then it's good to see a free being given against the player for over-holding. Far too many players think they're entitled to a free if hounded and harnessed by opponents' dogged marking.
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