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Replying To seamusorinn: "Yes but Galway have 6 All-Irelands since ye last won one." Meath have also won 6, Down 5 and Cork 4 since Mayo last won 1. But that doesnt change the fact that Mayo have been better than all of these and Galway at football the last 10 years. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12045 - 30/08/2021 15:14:35 2376447 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Spillane did lose the plot, especially with his insinuations about Tyrone gaming the Covid thing, On other hand, i thought it was a low enough thing by Cantwell - with big smile on her - to ambush Pat with the "puke football" thing. That was nearly 20 years ago! He's apologised numerous times. How many of us would like stupid things we said in the heat of the moment to be thrown in our faces after all that time, and ad nauseum?" Thought Joanne handled it very well, she allowed Pat's rant to go on because Cavanagh was giving as good as he got . She was always in control and wasn't long reeling him in when she wanted to Joanne's strength as a presenter is that she knows her sport, is confident and holds panelist's accountable for their comments. She would never tolerate a player being described as a 'two trick pony' and the panel know that by now. In the past TSG pundits ran the show and competed for the most personally offensive put down of a player or team. That standard of analysis might be OK for the bar stool but not in the studio of our national broadcaster discussing amateur players. Chances are that if O'Rourke is on for the final she will challenge him on his 'eat my hat' comments on Brian Dooher (3 times All Ireland winner, twice as captain and now joint manager of a finalist) and describing Tyrone as a 'team with a bad smell'. . Finding TSG so much more enjoyable post Brolly as all panelist get a chance to contribute. Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 30/08/2021 15:48:43 2376471 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Well done to our neighbours on a fantastic win at the weekend. I always gave them a fighting chance because Tyrone have good old school defenders and a great system that they are all well coached in. I was a bit surprised at Kerry's approach though. It was obvious that running the ball into contact wasn't working but they seemed hell bent on persisting with it looking for a killer goal chance. Morgan's free was something else. An absolutely crazy distance out but he had plenty to spare with it as well. He and his outfield colleagues really would need to reassess the kickout strategy though for the final. It's great to have a novel final to look forward to. It is very difficult to call. I'd say the excitement in both counties over the next couple of weeks will be unreal." It's interesting as I've read O'Sé's reaction. He basically said that Kerry were naive and that Dublin have set out the template to beat teams like Tyrone (does he mean blanket defence, sure everyone does it?) and that is to play around the defence. This is interesting as Dublin have come in for flak for playing around teams and holding possession, even from Kerry supporters on here. It also suggests that if Kerry replace Keane with O'Sé that we might see a more tactically astute Kerry attempting to play around defences rather than run up blind alleys. I don't think either of the modern day zonal blanket defence or the possession retention tactics make for good spectacles and it will be interesting to see the tactics in the final as both teams play similar styles, blanket and quick break. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 30/08/2021 16:06:21 2376479 Link
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "It was a phenomenal kick and a vitally important one too. The only free that I can ever recall being scored from a comparable distance is Derek Duggan's last gasp equalizer for Roscommon in the 1991 drawn Connacht final. I think Duggan's free was a few yards closer to the goal but it was against the wind! He was a 19 year old playing his first season at senior and showed incredible composure to level the match with the last kick of the game." I was there to see Duggan kick that free- it was unreal. Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 308 - 30/08/2021 16:14:20 2376480 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Could people explain why when players get frees inside the 50, refs take no notice of players from every county stealing yards when kicking from their hands, Morgan takes a free from near the halfway line and ref makes him take it back 4 yards. If they would pay more attention to the closer in ones. Said it before, time for the white foam to mark spot." Agree. It's ridiculous how frees are moved forward. Shaving foam badly needed. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 30/08/2021 16:17:50 2376481 Link
Before he is forgotten about in terms of this game - I want to say a massive 'well done' to Darren McCurry. Darren didn't contribute anything in the first half though a combination of being well marshalled by Tom O'Sullivan and poor quality ball going into him. In the second half he scored two points from play and two frees. Darren, like the rest of the Tyrone team kept working and battling until the end and I was delighted at the brilliant performance of both Darren and the rest of the team. Come on Tyrone! sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 30/08/2021 16:18:15 2376482 Link
Replying To AfricanGael: "No, I don't think Kerry will bring in a manager from the outside, not going to happen. It's hard to lay too much blame at the door of Keane for yesterday, basic schoolboy error by David Clifford led to Tyrone's first goal, cant blame Keane for that, that was pure rustiness due to a long lay off but Keane will still pay the price. Kerry were sloppy and hardly laid a hand on Tyrone, not enough aggression at all and it's now people will start to question Keane's decision to part company with Buckley even more. Tomas Ó Sé is well fit to manage Kerry, no worries there." Keane's term is up. He's gone. No need for 'knives'. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 30/08/2021 16:20:18 2376483 Link
Replying To Cbar: "Does anyone know what % of their own kick-outs did Tyrone win primary possession from? Or if anyone has a link to a page to find these stats - thanks Very enjoyable game Saturday. Any talk of Tyrone cynicism is BS and talk that they were just more hungry than Kerry is belittling to the quality Tyrone have. Some seriously talented players on that team. Hopefully the final will be a great match, we have been waiting a few years to get a final without Dublin. And by my record it is only the 2nd Ulster v Connacht AI since 1948 but the 2nd in 9 years... hopefully a sign of things to come." Tyrone won 5 of their 12 long kick-outs. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 30/08/2021 16:37:42 2376486 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Keane's term is up. He's gone. No need for 'knives'." I'm hearing Ò'Shea wont go for it but Buckley cant be ruled out. Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 30/08/2021 17:25:53 2376504 Link
Replying To Cuhullain: "I'm hearing Ò'Shea wont go for it but Buckley cant be ruled out." O'Sé suggested Kerry are a little 'soft', would Kerry folk agree? realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 30/08/2021 17:50:58 2376513 Link
Replying To realdub: "O'Sé suggested Kerry are a little 'soft', would Kerry folk agree?" Sorry Cuhullain didn't intend this as a reply to your post. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 30/08/2021 17:55:43 2376514 Link
Replying To arock: "I totally agree Cantwell gave him a free rein, horrible to listen to him spitting bile and throwing out allegations and being alliwed do it. Poor on part of RTE." "Tyrone were great and deserved to win" BUT. I was told that when you make a statement and then say but it negates any thing said before it and suggests you actually do not believe what you just said. That plus Spillane had to shout and keep saying let me finish which Kavanagh did but when Kavanagh was making his point Spillane kept shouting over him again. I would have liked to have heard Kavanagh's point of view but the presenter made sure that this did not happen or was just incompetent. Pretty shoddy if you ask me. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 30/08/2021 18:06:34 2376518 Link
Replying To Cuhullain: "I'm hearing Ò'Shea wont go for it but Buckley cant be ruled out." Buckley will not be manager but might be in backroom team although he was got rid of twice. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 30/08/2021 18:21:45 2376524 Link
Replying To realdub: "O'Sé suggested Kerry are a little 'soft', would Kerry folk agree?" Not sure soft is the right word but they are nearly all good footballers and don't really engage with their opposite numbers physically. I see lots of defenders shouldering and hopping off their opponens off the ball but the Kerry backs don't seem to do it but tbh I think it's silly anyway and does nt intimidate good forwards. Now I would like one or two to use the well timed shoulder properly but only Morley does that and he was sub. Tomás would nt last long now with the new rules i think. We could do with one hard man at the back but not dirty. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 30/08/2021 18:30:10 2376527 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Not sure soft is the right word but they are nearly all good footballers and don't really engage with their opposite numbers physically. I see lots of defenders shouldering and hopping off their opponens off the ball but the Kerry backs don't seem to do it but tbh I think it's silly anyway and does nt intimidate good forwards. Now I would like one or two to use the well timed shoulder properly but only Morley does that and he was sub. Tomás would nt last long now with the new rules i think. We could do with one hard man at the back but not dirty." I would agree, definitely need a 'stopper' ! realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 30/08/2021 20:04:07 2376560 Link
Replying To realdub: "O'Sé suggested Kerry are a little 'soft', would Kerry folk agree?" Wouldn't say they're soft at all. Check out the foul on Mc Greary , 23rd minute in the build up to goal, as he lays the ball off he gets a shoulder into the ribs, thought at the time ref would come back to it and give a black card. All teams play that game not just Tyrone. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 30/08/2021 21:09:31 2376587 Link
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "It was a phenomenal kick and a vitally important one too. The only free that I can ever recall being scored from a comparable distance is Derek Duggan's last gasp equalizer for Roscommon in the 1991 drawn Connacht final. I think Duggan's free was a few yards closer to the goal but it was against the wind! He was a 19 year old playing his first season at senior and showed incredible composure to level the match with the last kick of the game." I had a look at that Derek Duggan free on YouTube it was a class free too, another class kick I have seen to compare to both Morgan's and Duggan's frees, all be it in rugby is a Welsh player Paul Thorburn's penalty vs Scotland I don't know the year it was a fantastic long range score. These sort of long range scores are a pleasure to behold when they come off. DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 30/08/2021 21:32:02 2376593 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Wouldn't say they're soft at all. Check out the foul on Mc Greary , 23rd minute in the build up to goal, as he lays the ball off he gets a shoulder into the ribs, thought at the time ref would come back to it and give a black card. All teams play that game not just Tyrone." Yeh soft is a little vague, as some pundit said yesterday, Kerry's physicality was more reactive than proactive. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 30/08/2021 22:32:58 2376610 Link
Replying To DUALSUPPORT: "I had a look at that Derek Duggan free on YouTube it was a class free too, another class kick I have seen to compare to both Morgan's and Duggan's frees, all be it in rugby is a Welsh player Paul Thorburn's penalty vs Scotland I don't know the year it was a fantastic long range score. These sort of long range scores are a pleasure to behold when they come off." Yes, that Thorburn kick was from well inside his own half. Thanks for the reminder - I can remember Sports Stadium showing numerous replays of it after the game but I would not have recalled the kicker's name on my own. The match was in 1986 according to this Youtube clip: link The commentary is by the wonderful Bill Mclaren, who like Michael O'Muirceartaigh, was always a joy to listen to regardless of how good or bad the actual game was. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 31/08/2021 07:57:26 2376645 Link
Replying To arock: "I totally agree Cantwell gave him a free rein, horrible to listen to him spitting bile and throwing out allegations and being alliwed do it. Poor on part of RTE." Ciarán Kilkenny seemed to enjoy it anyway, so he did. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 31/08/2021 08:13:43 2376646 Link