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Question: if Tyrone hadn't been hit by Covid and the game hadn't been postponed by two weeks, meaning Kerry weren't waiting as long and were fresher and Tyrone weren't recovering from illness, would the result necessarily have been any different? Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 29/08/2021 09:28:28 2375861 Link
Replying To Curlew66: "A novel final pairing with no All Ireland senior medal winners on either team. Mayo have never been beaten by Tyrone in the senior championship but it's 50:50 , Expect huge demand for the anti Covid medication used by Tyrone in the past three weeks, Seriously though , what a performance by Tyrone. Not many would have forecasted that after league semi in Tralee. They defended with so much courage as typified by Peter Harte's block and broke intelligently. Referee did well although I felt Tyrone had to work much harder for frees. Kerry were awarded 2-3 soft frees from scoring positions, need to review it later." Interesting: "A novel final pairing with no All Ireland senior medal winners on either team." When was the last time that happened? I'm guessing 2012, Donegal vs Mayo. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 29/08/2021 09:30:43 2375862 Link
Once again on behalf of the Tyrone support we can only thank Kerry for giving us the opportunity to play this game. As someone who attended the famous 1981 fund raising match and traveled down to watch Munster finals in the 1980,s Tyrone people have always had a soft spot for Kerry. This was the era when Cork put it up to Kerry and kept them honest and it may also the reason Kerry are losing out now. It's hard to believe that Tyrone have taken on the Down mantle of being able to beat Kerry regularly in the championship. On all four occasions Tyrone have beaten Kerry after hard campaigns while Kerry have had an easy win against Cork in which they must have learned little. This includes the pundits. I personally thought the first Half of the 2019 all Ireland semi final give a good pointer as to how this game could go and I thought then that Tyrone had blew a great chance of making that final. Mayo v Tyrone will be a different struggle the last two championship games were poor and one point wins to each side do not stand out in the memory. Mayo have also benefited from comeback games against Galway and Dublin. It is great for the gaa that we have something new in the final and I certainly enjoyed 1998 final Galway v Kildare as a neutral after Tyrone's great minor win that day. Good luck to Meath after the one point win yesterday though I do not think it matches there ambush of Armagh in 1992. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 29/08/2021 09:34:47 2375863 Link
What's Kerry supporters opinion on the Kerry players conditioning for that game? Was it just the long layoff that caused the problem? Some of the Kerry players were blowing hard by the 25 minute mark, including Clifford who was still class. Some of them were dead on their feet towards the end of normal time. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 29/08/2021 10:17:45 2375879 Link
Good entertaining game to watch but Tyrone dictated from start to finish. Kerry had great moments but couldn't handle Tyrone pressure. I expect at least 5 Kerry player to pack it in. Moving on to final I expect mayo will not be dictated to and will push up on Tyrone from the start. The young mayo players will not give a hoot only too hungry to attack and win game. I hope rte get rid of Spillane and Kavanagh for final. We don't need to hear them attacking each other again. Would be nice to hear a proper view of game by people who know the sport. Maybe mc connville and Jim mc Guinness for a change. Spillane is old school. Crossgaa (Mayo) - Posts: 553 - 29/08/2021 10:41:48 2375891 Link
Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Question: if Tyrone hadn't been hit by Covid and the game hadn't been postponed by two weeks, meaning Kerry weren't waiting as long and were fresher and Tyrone weren't recovering from illness, would the result necessarily have been any different?" No. There was a time when Kerry could rock up to a semi final after a few challenge matches, save themselves for it, go man on man and win. That has turned into a disadvantage. What they faced against Tyrone was always going to be something they had not faced before in the championship this year, regardless of the Covid outbreak. Prepare all you like but until you actually face it... They would not make the same stupid mistakes if they played again next week, essentially playing into Tyrone's "red" hands. Turnovers won it. This has happened Kerry before. Say what you like but the previous matches had a massive impact on Tyrone's preparation, more so than Covid. IMO Splitting div 1 this year was a disaster for Kerry, brilliant for Tyrone. Had the Super 8s been going it would have suited Kerry and Dublin. Food for thought in Croke Park mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 29/08/2021 10:48:58 2375896 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "No. There was a time when Kerry could rock up to a semi final after a few challenge matches, save themselves for it, go man on man and win. That has turned into a disadvantage. What they faced against Tyrone was always going to be something they had not faced before in the championship this year, regardless of the Covid outbreak. Prepare all you like but until you actually face it... They would not make the same stupid mistakes if they played again next week, essentially playing into Tyrone's "red" hands. Turnovers won it. This has happened Kerry before. Say what you like but the previous matches had a massive impact on Tyrone's preparation, more so than Covid. IMO Splitting div 1 this year was a disaster for Kerry, brilliant for Tyrone. Had the Super 8s been going it would have suited Kerry and Dublin. Food for thought in Croke Park" Didn't like the Super 8s and hopefully its demise will be one good thing to come out of the covid panic. However, Kerry failed to get out of it, thanks to your own county men, so didn't favour them. Which maybe throws more focus on their ability to sustain themselves against better teams. Dublin breezed through, but then again 2018 was peak Dublin. No one was going to beat them that year. As for league, Kerry did well, but possibly took too much out of their comeback against Dublin. They treated it like a championship win, which is telling in itself. On reflection, it was also the first real sign that Dublin had lost the ability to ruthlessly put games to bed. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2584 - 29/08/2021 11:04:34 2375909 Link
Pat Spillane was very entertaining OMG I am in stitches with the reruns Congrats Tyrone, excellent performance suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1671 - 29/08/2021 11:05:38 2375910 Link
Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Question: if Tyrone hadn't been hit by Covid and the game hadn't been postponed by two weeks, meaning Kerry weren't waiting as long and were fresher and Tyrone weren't recovering from illness, would the result necessarily have been any different?" One thing that people seem to have overlooked is that Tyrone were without two really strong players yesterday; often starters in their first 15. They didn't feature in the Ulster final either. I'm not going to name them. It's not difficult to figure out who they are, though. Two players is a big loss, especially in a tight game like yesterday's. Kerry used 9 substitutes in total; Tyrone 6, the latter two of which barely featured. So, the Tyrone bench was quite thin yesterday. Having these two players back for the final would greatly boost Tyrone's chances. At least they'd have a full bench to call upon. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1926 - 29/08/2021 11:08:08 2375911 Link
Replying To HighKings: "What's Kerry supporters opinion on the Kerry players conditioning for that game? Was it just the long layoff that caused the problem? Some of the Kerry players were blowing hard by the 25 minute mark, including Clifford who was still class. Some of them were dead on their feet towards the end of normal time." I think there are definitely questions to be asked on that front alright. They can't control Paul Geaney handling the ball on the ground though or Jack Barry's assist for McKenna's second goal, but Niall Morgan rubbed Kerry legs more often than he had saves to make!! I think there are several areas where the management didn't perform. The tactics were poor leaving too much space up the middle for Tyrone and once again falling into the trap of carrying the ball into contact over and over again. Tyrone got their tactics spot on forcing Kerry attackers to defend by pushing their backs into attacking positions early. Kerry also seemed to be hell-bent on shooting for goals when a few easy points would have kept the scoreboard ticking over in the first half. Maybe that was over confidence, but the management should have given clear instructions to take the scores. I think the team selection also played into Tyrone's hands a bit. The inclusion of Dara Moynihan added one more undersized ball carrier to a forward unit that lost a lot of ball due to turnovers in contact. Diarmuid O'Connor was effective when introduced late on. I like Paul Murphy, but he's not a centre back at intercounty level. At the end of the day though, many of the the players didn't match Tyrone for effort (fitness) or decision making (coaching/tactics) and again, I think a lot of that has to go down as poor from the back room. kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 76 - 29/08/2021 11:12:14 2375913 Link
Peter Keane is a dead man walking, I think Tomás Ó Sé will be the next Kerry manager and he'll bring Donie Buckley back into the camp. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 29/08/2021 11:24:24 2375924 Link
Replying To kingdom_come: "I think there are definitely questions to be asked on that front alright. They can't control Paul Geaney handling the ball on the ground though or Jack Barry's assist for McKenna's second goal, but Niall Morgan rubbed Kerry legs more often than he had saves to make!! I think there are several areas where the management didn't perform. The tactics were poor leaving too much space up the middle for Tyrone and once again falling into the trap of carrying the ball into contact over and over again. Tyrone got their tactics spot on forcing Kerry attackers to defend by pushing their backs into attacking positions early. Kerry also seemed to be hell-bent on shooting for goals when a few easy points would have kept the scoreboard ticking over in the first half. Maybe that was over confidence, but the management should have given clear instructions to take the scores. I think the team selection also played into Tyrone's hands a bit. The inclusion of Dara Moynihan added one more undersized ball carrier to a forward unit that lost a lot of ball due to turnovers in contact. Diarmuid O'Connor was effective when introduced late on. I like Paul Murphy, but he's not a centre back at intercounty level. At the end of the day though, many of the the players didn't match Tyrone for effort (fitness) or decision making (coaching/tactics) and again, I think a lot of that has to go down as poor from the back room." I very much agree with that assessment. Particularly Paul Murphy not being a centre back. It might be viewed as a negative tactic but I feel Kerry could have moved Murphy onto McGeary. McGeary was the platform for a lot of Tyrone attacks, I think Murphy might have been suited to the job of just harrying and nullifying him. Similar to the job Meyler did on Paudie Clifford. I think if you compare the two half back lines yesterday that's were Tyrone made a lot of hay. Breen and Murphy were all at sea and Gavin White kept wasting energy running up blind alleys. Tyrone's halfback line had a super game in comparison. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 29/08/2021 11:27:22 2375927 Link
Replying To AfricanGael: "Peter Keane is a dead man walking, I think Tomás Ó Sé will be the next Kerry manager and he'll bring Donie Buckley back into the camp." What experience has Ó Sé ? Kerry should bring in Rochford , a proven winner at managerial level. BilboNaggins (Galway) - Posts: 59 - 29/08/2021 11:31:16 2375932 Link
Replying To kingdom_come: "I think there are definitely questions to be asked on that front alright. They can't control Paul Geaney handling the ball on the ground though or Jack Barry's assist for McKenna's second goal, but Niall Morgan rubbed Kerry legs more often than he had saves to make!! I think there are several areas where the management didn't perform. The tactics were poor leaving too much space up the middle for Tyrone and once again falling into the trap of carrying the ball into contact over and over again. Tyrone got their tactics spot on forcing Kerry attackers to defend by pushing their backs into attacking positions early. Kerry also seemed to be hell-bent on shooting for goals when a few easy points would have kept the scoreboard ticking over in the first half. Maybe that was over confidence, but the management should have given clear instructions to take the scores. I think the team selection also played into Tyrone's hands a bit. The inclusion of Dara Moynihan added one more undersized ball carrier to a forward unit that lost a lot of ball due to turnovers in contact. Diarmuid O'Connor was effective when introduced late on. I like Paul Murphy, but he's not a centre back at intercounty level. At the end of the day though, many of the the players didn't match Tyrone for effort (fitness) or decision making (coaching/tactics) and again, I think a lot of that has to go down as poor from the back room." An area where Kerry did do well in, was on the kick-outs, both their own and Tyrone's. I'd love to see the statistics, but did Tyrone even win 25% of the kick-outs they went long with? Morgan really has to up his kick-outs for the final. It's a huge advantage to Mayo if he doesn't. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1926 - 29/08/2021 11:34:24 2375936 Link
Replying To Crossgaa: "Good entertaining game to watch but Tyrone dictated from start to finish. Kerry had great moments but couldn't handle Tyrone pressure. I expect at least 5 Kerry player to pack it in. Moving on to final I expect mayo will not be dictated to and will push up on Tyrone from the start. The young mayo players will not give a hoot only too hungry to attack and win game. I hope rte get rid of Spillane and Kavanagh for final. We don't need to hear them attacking each other again. Would be nice to hear a proper view of game by people who know the sport. Maybe mc connville and Jim mc Guinness for a change. Spillane is old school." Do you think meeting Tyrone in the final will make James Horan's tactical preparation a little more complicated. Run at the Tyrone defence "a la Kerry" and risk turnovers, or shoot from distance but they must go over, or patience, patience possession football, not going into contact "a la Dublin" until the easy chance presents. And Aidan O' Shea, I thought if it was Kerry then David Moran would be a perfect match up for O'Shea with the Mayo man probably shading it. I find it more difficult to see how Mayo will get value from O'Shea against the Red Hands. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 685 - 29/08/2021 11:43:11 2375941 Link
Replying To mayo_123: "I cant understand every year kerry favourites for all ireland they beat nobody it's the arrogance they have that they should win so it's great to see them out probably the worst defence in the top teams good riddance" Very sporting comments from you Not. Its the likes of comments like that that turn people against your county. It's not Kerry that make them favourites it's the bookies but maybe you don't realise that. Also Kerry have nt been favourites every year. It's normally Dublin. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 29/08/2021 11:44:31 2375942 Link
Replying To redhandroar: "Spillane was an amazing footballer … but as a pundit he has shown himself time and again to be a mean spirited, bad loser." As a Kerryman I have to agree with you. Anyway congratulations and a big thanks to Niall Morgan yesterday on his brilliant sportsmanship with both Clifford brothers. Credit where credit due CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 29/08/2021 11:50:00 2375945 Link
Replying To Byanthon: "Once again on behalf of the Tyrone support we can only thank Kerry for giving us the opportunity to play this game. As someone who attended the famous 1981 fund raising match and traveled down to watch Munster finals in the 1980,s Tyrone people have always had a soft spot for Kerry. This was the era when Cork put it up to Kerry and kept them honest and it may also the reason Kerry are losing out now. It's hard to believe that Tyrone have taken on the Down mantle of being able to beat Kerry regularly in the championship. On all four occasions Tyrone have beaten Kerry after hard campaigns while Kerry have had an easy win against Cork in which they must have learned little. This includes the pundits. I personally thought the first Half of the 2019 all Ireland semi final give a good pointer as to how this game could go and I thought then that Tyrone had blew a great chance of making that final. Mayo v Tyrone will be a different struggle the last two championship games were poor and one point wins to each side do not stand out in the memory. Mayo have also benefited from comeback games against Galway and Dublin. It is great for the gaa that we have something new in the final and I certainly enjoyed 1998 final Galway v Kildare as a neutral after Tyrone's great minor win that day. Good luck to Meath after the one point win yesterday though I do not think it matches there ambush of Armagh in 1992." Thank you so much for your lovely post Byanthon and best of luck in the final. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 29/08/2021 11:52:28 2375948 Link
Kerry peaked too early this year. Tyrone were still fumbling to find their best starting 15 and Kerry were blowing everyone out of the water. Keeping at that level of fitness is like still playing for your life even though 15 points ahead. That's what happened Kerry. Meanwhile Tyrone were still struggling to reach full fitness and it only started to happen yesterday. border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 29/08/2021 11:54:16 2375949 Link
Replying To BilboNaggins: "What experience has Ó Sé ? Kerry should bring in Rochford , a proven winner at managerial level." There's talk of Kerry reaching out to one of Dublin backroom. Not sure what way Jason or Declan Darcy are fixed :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2584 - 29/08/2021 11:55:17 2375951 Link