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Replying To essmac: "Hear hear. Questions of intent are irrelevant. I saw how Small raised his arm. He did not seem to be trying to do a fair shoulder. But even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant. It does matter what you may have intended to hit. What matters is what you hit. You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. If you try to do a fair shoulder, and you miss, then it's a card. The RTE commentary on the incident was absurd, crawling, nonsense." How do we encourage our kids to play football, when 'tackles' such as Small's go unpunished...and worse, play is not stopped for a prone, stricken, clearly very injured player. Lane should not get a game again, not because he shirked 5 big calls in relation to cards...he should not get a game because he failed in his duty of care to a player. Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 45 - 15/08/2021 20:16:54 2371680 Link
A dangerous tackle that took a man to the ground after the connection broke his jaw in 2 places. Thats not fair shoulder to shoulder that is dangerous play and therefore merits a red card , a free but most of all the game stopped immediately and medical assistance called for and the ref did nothing. John Small gets away with this 50 percent of the time. border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 913 - 15/08/2021 20:45:23 2371695 Link
The GAA hierarchy like to harp on about player welfare . If they are serious about player welfare tackles like this should incur automatic red cards and bans regardless of intent. If I drive above the speed limit ,my lack of intent to hurt someone is no defence if I do. There have to be consequences for play which seriously endangers an opponent. Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 95 - 15/08/2021 20:56:23 2371698 Link
Replying To BeJasus: "I've taken no head of posters from with halfnhalf hurling/football counties . A cursory look over the last 5 games involving Mayo Kerry reads at 2 Mayo wins 2 draws and a Kerry win in 2014.. but yeah mayo will lose by 20 points, lol. Pure fresh Air theories designed to antagonise." It's the other way around, Kerry won their last meeting by 10 points: 2014 Semi - 1-16 - 1-16 2014 Semi Replay - 3-16 - 3-13 Kerry 2017 Semi - 2-14 - 2-14 2017 Semi Replay - 2-16 - 0-17 Mayo 2019 Super 8 - 1-22 - 0-15 Kerry expe (UK) - Posts: 31 - 15/08/2021 21:35:24 2371713 Link
Replying To Rebel2020: "The GAA hierarchy like to harp on about player welfare . If they are serious about player welfare tackles like this should incur automatic red cards and bans regardless of intent. If I drive above the speed limit ,my lack of intent to hurt someone is no defence if I do. There have to be consequences for play which seriously endangers an opponent." Well that was a car crash post! Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 15/08/2021 21:41:22 2371717 Link
Just seen it again on the SG, looks worse in slow motion as all bad tackles do, I'd like to think Small had no intent but it does look very bad in slow motion, Lane should have stopped the game immediately, if Dublin score that goal chance there'd a been some row about it, hope the lad makes a speedy recovery anyway. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3233 - 15/08/2021 21:50:56 2371724 Link
What are people on about with the John Small tackle? If a man on your team hit a lad as clean as that you'd be delighted. I've watched it 20 times and see it equally as good as the Paudie maher tackle on John canning a few years ago. If it was any other player or county apart from Small there'd be nothing about it tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 15/08/2021 21:59:46 2371726 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "What are people on about with the John Small tackle? If a man on your team hit a lad as clean as that you'd be delighted. I've watched it 20 times and see it equally as good as the Paudie maher tackle on John canning a few years ago. If it was any other player or county apart from Small there'd be nothing about it" Agreed, it looked fine to me, the mayo player simply wasn't able for the hit, small shouldn't have been criticised for that. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 15/08/2021 22:15:00 2371729 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "What are people on about with the John Small tackle? If a man on your team hit a lad as clean as that you'd be delighted. I've watched it 20 times and see it equally as good as the Paudie maher tackle on John canning a few years ago. If it was any other player or county apart from Small there'd be nothing about it" I disagree Tiobraid. He may not have meant it but Small hit McLoughlin on the head with his shoulder and that amounts to very dangerous play, which is confirmed by the severity of the injury. It was much worse than the Richie Hogan hit on Cathal Barrett in 2019 and he got a red, correctly in my opinion even though I believe he didn't intend connecting with Barrett's head. And I disagree that there are similarities with the Paudie Maher tackle on Joe Canning. There was no contact to the head in that collision. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 613 - 15/08/2021 22:15:17 2371730 Link
Replying To essmac: "Hear hear. Questions of intent are irrelevant. I saw how Small raised his arm. He did not seem to be trying to do a fair shoulder. But even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant. It does matter what you may have intended to hit. What matters is what you hit. You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. If you try to do a fair shoulder, and you miss, then it's a card. The RTE commentary on the incident was absurd, crawling, nonsense." *Even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. Morgan on Andrews. Thoughts? Jackeen (Dublin)** - Posts: 4097 - 15/08/2021 22:17:19 2371735 Link
4 clear straight red incidents highlighted by the Sunday Game. Zero given. Hard to believe really. Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 95 - 15/08/2021 22:17:52 2371736 Link
Replying To TYE08: "Are you conor Lane by any chance? Ridiculous frontal challenge. At best if mcloughlin didn't turn around the challenge would have been in the back and still dangerous. Steve wonder would have seen that was dangerous play." Do you remember Niall Morgans challenge on Paddy Andrews where Paddy got a broken jaw and had an op? Dangerous? Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 15/08/2021 22:20:35 2371739 Link
Replying To Rebel2020: "4 clear straight red incidents highlighted by the Sunday Game. Zero given. Hard to believe really." They never said anything about Aidan O'Shea being on the pitch in the middle of that row when he wasn't even playing. RTE are so full ** it's unreal. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal)** - Posts: 3233 - 15/08/2021 22:28:10 2371743 Link
Replying To Jackeen: "*Even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. Morgan on Andrews. Thoughts?" Ah yes the classic Dubs tactic. Try and change the story without actually answering the question that's asked. oneoff (UK)** - Posts: 1651 - 15/08/2021 22:31:51 2371746 Link
Replying To expe: "It's the other way around, Kerry won their last meeting by 10 points: 2014 Semi - 1-16 - 1-16 2014 Semi Replay - 3-16 - 3-13 Kerry 2017 Semi - 2-14 - 2-14 2017 Semi Replay - 2-16 - 0-17 Mayo 2019 Super 8 - 1-22 - 0-15 Kerry" Another comedy post. Compare the Mayo starting team of that time to the one that will start in the final. That game has absolutely no relevance but keep telling yourself that. Maybe Mayo should just turn around and say we are going for our 3rd win in a row v Kerry in Croker, because they are. That's as relevant as your stat. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8441 - 15/08/2021 22:32:18 2371748 Link
You're entitled to go for a shoulder. But if you mistime it and your shoulder makes full contact with the face, that has to be a red card. Player safety has to be the ref's priority. The challenge from John Small should have been a sending off. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3778 - 15/08/2021 22:33:19 2371749 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "Agreed, it looked fine to me, the mayo player simply wasn't able for the hit, small shouldn't have been criticised for that." Wasn't able for the hit?? Are you actually having a laugh?? Go watch the damn video on YouTube already and save us having to read this sort of tripe. How can anybody be able for getting a shoulder right into the jaw? nicko94 (Mayo) - Posts: 69 - 15/08/2021 22:35:20 2371752 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "Agreed, it looked fine to me, the mayo player simply wasn't able for the hit, small shouldn't have been criticised for that." I thought it was a perfect shoulder. The Mayo lad is only out of u20s and this is the risk you take. Mayo will have to toughen up if they ever want to win against the big boys. brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 15/08/2021 22:36:01 2371753 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "Agreed, it looked fine to me, the mayo player simply wasn't able for the hit, small shouldn't have been criticised for that." If someone was to crack you in the jaw with a shoulder I doubt you would be able for it either. Macho BS. It was a dangerous and illegal challenge end of. TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 15/08/2021 22:40:44 2371755 Link
Replying To Jackeen: "*Even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. Morgan on Andrews. Thoughts?" I remember the Dublin gaa page calling out the Morgan challenge. Funny that they are quite about it now. TYE08 (Tyrone)** - Posts: 93 - 15/08/2021 22:42:04 2371756 Link