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Replying To Joxer: "Are you actually saying that Small went in to connect with McLoughlin's head? If you are then you clearly have never played the game. It was a shoulder tackle. It's part of the game. Small meant no malice. A ref, linesman and commentators all agreed on that. It comes with the territory." The pro dublin ref linesman and commentators all agree. A lessor tackle happened to a dublin player in first half game stopped. Happened to a mayo player ah play on. The ref the lineman the rte commentators all let themselves down yesterday. Dublin got away with 2 red cards and a number of black cards that the ref choked and gave yellows. ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 260 - 15/08/2021 17:01:03 2371590 Link
Correct. Players have duty of care. But so dose the referee. Connor Lane shouldn't be let near a game after shambolic effort yesterday. Purely on healthy and safety grounds. bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1273 - 15/08/2021 17:19:24 2371593 Link
Replying To Rebel2020: "Small s was a blatant red card . Shoulder to head is red card . Any defence of it is embarrassing. GAA want to wait until there's a broken neck before they act." It's 2021 not 1951, where ploughing in to an open player who can't defend themselves is considered 'manly'. The impact of such collisions around the head is now known. Every sport has acted on dangerous play, particularly around the neck and head, intentional or not, except the GAA. They could also invest in some sort of oul tv screen and such incidents be called back. This sort of backwardness will have parents taking their children to other sports. Casey gets off for Limerick. If it was a Carlow or Wicklow player would they get off? Different rules. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 15/08/2021 18:04:18 2371604 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "The pro dublin ref linesman and commentators all agree. A lessor tackle happened to a dublin player in first half game stopped. Happened to a mayo player ah play on. The ref the lineman the rte commentators all let themselves down yesterday. Dublin got away with 2 red cards and a number of black cards that the ref choked and gave yellows." I'm going Back to the Murphy tackle where he accidentally kicks a Tyrone player, he did his best to pull out of kick, He got yellow card and off he goes. intentional or not. Day and night between Murphy and the Small shoulder. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2314 - 15/08/2021 18:07:25 2371608 Link
Replying To realdub: "I agree that it wasn't deliberately dangerous but that type of tackle carries a risk that the intended target could move at the last moment and the accuracy will be off. It looked bad and he could have got the line from another ref. But that's how John plays. Every team has one. I hope the Mayo lad is OK." It's not about John Small. It's about a backwards association with no rules for protecting its players from head and neck injuries. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 15/08/2021 18:08:43 2371609 Link
Replying To jonjon: "I literally don't care what his intentions were. The fact of the matter is his shoulder hit Eoin McLoughlins head. That's a red. Simple as. If you're going to be putting in huge shoulders you have a duty of care to the opposition that you won't be giving them brain damage. If you can't be certain you're not going to break someone's jaw in two places then don't put in a huge tackle. A shoulder to the head is a shoulder to the head. In soccer, if you fly in studs up and catch someone's leg it's a red. Regardless if you intended a good tackle. It's in place to protect players by discouraging highly dangerous tackles." Well said, totally agree, it was reckless and malicious. The fact that the officials didn't see it, or the commentators didn't have the cojones to call it, doesn't make it right. What I have seen, having watched it a few times, is an elbow first followed by the shoulder. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 15/08/2021 18:11:40 2371610 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Are you actually saying that Small went in to connect with McLoughlin's head? If you are then you clearly have never played the game. It was a shoulder tackle. It's part of the game. Small meant no malice. A ref, linesman and commentators all agreed on that. It comes with the territory." Are you conor Lane by any chance? Ridiculous frontal challenge. At best if mcloughlin didn't turn around the challenge would have been in the back and still dangerous. Steve wonder would have seen that was dangerous play. TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 15/08/2021 18:16:28 2371615 Link
Replying To cluichethar: "You're correct Joxer Smalls shoulder was as you and McStay said square on Square on to McLaughlins head. It's not an opinion it's a fact proved by video replay. Even if Small hadn't hit his head it was still a frontal challenge no where near the shoulder. Even in rugby Small would be facing a suspension. Dublin are great champions and I didn't expect them to roll over, they did what they did to try and win. AOS could & probably should get suspended for his stupidity. Yes there was high tackles by both teams. Saying Smalls challenge was clean is ridicules and you know it." Hear hear. Questions of intent are irrelevant. I saw how Small raised his arm. He did not seem to be trying to do a fair shoulder. But even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant. It does matter what you may have intended to hit. What matters is what you hit. You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. If you try to do a fair shoulder, and you miss, then it's a card. The RTE commentary on the incident was absurd, crawling, nonsense. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/08/2021 18:25:09 2371618 Link
Really great win by Mayo over a Dublin team that lost its way when confronted hy a team ontent on working themselves to the limit. That tackle looked dangerous in real time and Small was lucky to escape sanction. Mayo had huge energy and pace and were fierce determined and fully deserved their win. Kerry will be a different matter. Dublin have been magnificent champions. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1881 - 15/08/2021 18:38:21 2371623 Link
Replying To CC2020: "It's 2021 not 1951, where ploughing in to an open player who can't defend themselves is considered 'manly'. The impact of such collisions around the head is now known. Every sport has acted on dangerous play, particularly around the neck and head, intentional or not, except the GAA. They could also invest in some sort of oul tv screen and such incidents be called back. This sort of backwardness will have parents taking their children to other sports. Casey gets off for Limerick. If it was a Carlow or Wicklow player would they get off? Different rules." "if it was a Wicklow player" what a load of absolute crap. Also the GAA have made a strike to the head a red card Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 15/08/2021 18:41:35 2371627 Link
Replying To CC2020: "It's not about John Small. It's about a backwards association with no rules for protecting its players from head and neck injuries." You are 100 per cent correct. It makes me despair how slow the GAA are to act on stuff like this. Th culture of discipline in the game is non existent. Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 95 - 15/08/2021 18:52:22 2371632 Link
Replying To bobkarlgees: "Correct. Players have duty of care. But so dose the referee. Connor Lane shouldn't be let near a game after shambolic effort yesterday. Purely on healthy and safety grounds." Conor Lane had a bad day yesterday but on the whole he's one of if not the best referee in the country right now. One bad day shouldn't ruin a mans career. Normally he's very consistent, let's the game flow and intervenes only when he has to. As I've all ready said yesterday he had a bad day, sooner or later everyone does. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 542 - 15/08/2021 19:07:20 2371641 Link
Replying To Joxer: "He was square on his shoulder but McLoughlin's head was rotating at the time and got clipped as well. It happens when games are played at that pace. We might as well remove the shoulder tackle from the game if a tackle like that goes punished. Small had no intention of making contact with his head." Joxer can you give us a link to anywhere that shows this was a shoulder to shoulder hit. All that I've seen shows it as a frontal hit with major head contact from Smalls shoulder. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 542 - 15/08/2021 19:16:17 2371647 Link
Replying To essmac: "Hear hear. Questions of intent are irrelevant. I saw how Small raised his arm. He did not seem to be trying to do a fair shoulder. But even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant. It does matter what you may have intended to hit. What matters is what you hit. You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. If you try to do a fair shoulder, and you miss, then it's a card. The RTE commentary on the incident was absurd, crawling, nonsense." 100% correct cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 542 - 15/08/2021 19:17:26 2371650 Link
Replying To essmac: "Hear hear. Questions of intent are irrelevant. I saw how Small raised his arm. He did not seem to be trying to do a fair shoulder. But even if he had been trying to do a fair shoulder, that is entirely irrelevant. It does matter what you may have intended to hit. What matters is what you hit. You can't "accidentally" smash a man's head in and be excused on the basis that you intended to hit his shoulder. If you try to do a fair shoulder, and you miss, then it's a card. The RTE commentary on the incident was absurd, crawling, nonsense." Indeed. It should also be noted that Small has previous in this regard, having been sent off in the 2017 final and having tap tackled Andy Moran in the replayed 2016 final, somehow managing to avoid a black on that occasion. Meanwhile Eoghan McLoughlin is in hospital and will miss the All-Ireland final. I recognize that it's a very fast and physical game and the officials can make mistakes, but the GAA should look at introducing some some of VAR/citing/challenge system for such incidents. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 15/08/2021 19:27:12 2371655 Link
Thank god Mayo realised Dublin were to be got at. The first 45 minutes or whatever it was, was seriously disheartening, boring, whatever else. Wasn't even enjoyable like watching the Dubs at the peak of their powers, it was just "jesus this is poor stuff all round". Mayo finally woke up and realised they were facing 15 fellas just like themselves and brought that great intensity and relentlessness that really, seems a hallmark of James Horan sides. They really deserved it yesterday for being the side that was less risk-averse. Wouldn't take anything away from the Mayo players or management or fans for celebrating yesterday so much. From a Donegal POV and our own experience, my advice would just be to finish the job (as obvious as that sounds!). 2014 doesn't feel as special to me as it probably should because we didn't win Sam. It was a special day with our minors winning as well, two huge underdogs that day against the Dubs and it was a great weekend, but my memories are a bit bittersweet because Kerry out smarted us in the final. One thing I'll expect is ye won't leave the pitch wondering what might have been. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 15/08/2021 19:27:58 2371657 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "I'm going Back to the Murphy tackle where he accidentally kicks a Tyrone player, he did his best to pull out of kick, He got yellow card and off he goes. intentional or not. Day and night between Murphy and the Small shoulder." And in all honesty there could be very few complaints if Murphy got a straight red for that. His intent doesn't come into it, reckless play deserves to see the line. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 15/08/2021 19:29:27 2371658 Link
Replying To CC2020: "It's 2021 not 1951, where ploughing in to an open player who can't defend themselves is considered 'manly'. The impact of such collisions around the head is now known. Every sport has acted on dangerous play, particularly around the neck and head, intentional or not, except the GAA. They could also invest in some sort of oul tv screen and such incidents be called back. This sort of backwardness will have parents taking their children to other sports. Casey gets off for Limerick. If it was a Carlow or Wicklow player would they get off? Different rules." I guess the GAA want to wait before making the game unwatchable like rugby has become since the head injury rules have changed. Head injuries are inevitable in contact sports played at high intensity. Next thing we'll be asking for no head shots in boxing. The difference of opinion on the Small tackle from fans and pundits range from no free to a red card. This just shows how tough a job a referee has. At the same time we don't want to bring TV referees into GAA as it slows the game down way too much and don't forget we are already have 6 and 7 minutes injury time regularly at the end of matches. Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 15/08/2021 19:50:23 2371670 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "Indeed. It should also be noted that Small has previous in this regard, having been sent off in the 2017 final and having tap tackled Andy Moran in the replayed 2016 final, somehow managing to avoid a black on that occasion. Meanwhile Eoghan McLoughlin is in hospital and will miss the All-Ireland final. I recognize that it's a very fast and physical game and the officials can make mistakes, but the GAA should look at introducing some some of VAR/citing/challenge system for such incidents." Nail Morgan, Paddy Andrews! Just saying! As Paddy said! These things happen in the heat of battle! Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 15/08/2021 20:05:22 2371674 Link
mayo will bottle it again on the big day against kerry even though id like to see tyrone take them on, it's just a bit early for an unsettled team that are still recovering and will be from covid bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 15/08/2021 20:15:31 2371679 Link