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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To Saynothing:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=Canuck:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?"]You say you've tried to stay out of it, well ye didn't try too hard , ten posts on the subject. Nothing new with you, against all things North. Ye mention wasting money, no bigger waste than paying a manager from the North big money yous couldn't afford. Did yous fly him up in a helicopter one day."]My posts before this were to do with ulster gaa teams, and whether or not they're getting a bad rap from the southern media, not to do with politics.
Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives."]Of course there are. I've seen kids who didnt know where their next meal was coming from while food aid sat piled up on pallets in Douala docks which I also saw with my own 2 eyes. None of this has anything to do with Irish people suffering during the troubles in the North. Or the lack of understanding from posters who are well off enough to sit beside a keyboard or smartphone all day posting unresearched opinion as facts.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 03/08/2021 14:14:48    2367259

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]Absolutely right, people on here acting as if not wanting to go to the North at the height of the troubles is some sort of moral crime, when in fact it was a perfectly logical reasonable position to take.
I wonder how many of these phoney virtue signallers have travelled to actual war zones in Africa /the Middle East to "see for themselves" what its like."]I spent half my childhood in those places. I never suggested anyone should want to go there any more than I suggested that anyone from Galway or Wexford should've chose to move to North or West Belfast during the troubles. I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 03/08/2021 14:18:23    2367260

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]Absolutely right, people on here acting as if not wanting to go to the North at the height of the troubles is some sort of moral crime, when in fact it was a perfectly logical reasonable position to take.
I wonder how many of these phoney virtue signallers have travelled to actual war zones in Africa /the Middle East to "see for themselves" what its like."]I spent half my childhood in those places. I never suggested anyone should want to go there any more than I suggested that anyone from Galway or Wexford should've chose to move to North or West Belfast during the troubles. I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it."]That's fair enough,,

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1263 - 03/08/2021 14:37:55    2367275

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To Saynothing:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=Canuck:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?"]You say you've tried to stay out of it, well ye didn't try too hard , ten posts on the subject. Nothing new with you, against all things North. Ye mention wasting money, no bigger waste than paying a manager from the North big money yous couldn't afford. Did yous fly him up in a helicopter one day."]My posts before this were to do with ulster gaa teams, and whether or not they're getting a bad rap from the southern media, not to do with politics.
Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives."]"Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives."

So we get it. You are perfectly okay with the past history, status past and present of your fellow Irish men, women and children as governed by the British government in the six counties of Ireland that they main control of. Just clarifying your stance on this issue. Yes your posts were on Ulster GAA teams but you did jump in swinging with your melodrama accusations.
Incidentally I have not seen one poster on here who are okay with the plight of children in any part of the world.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2207 - 03/08/2021 14:57:44    2367288

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Replying To Canuck:  "
Replying To Galway9801:  "[quote=Saynothing:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=Canuck:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?"]You say you've tried to stay out of it, well ye didn't try too hard , ten posts on the subject. Nothing new with you, against all things North. Ye mention wasting money, no bigger waste than paying a manager from the North big money yous couldn't afford. Did yous fly him up in a helicopter one day."]My posts before this were to do with ulster gaa teams, and whether or not they're getting a bad rap from the southern media, not to do with politics.
Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives."]"Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives."

So we get it. You are perfectly okay with the past history, status past and present of your fellow Irish men, women and children as governed by the British government in the six counties of Ireland that they main control of. Just clarifying your stance on this issue. Yes your posts were on Ulster GAA teams but you did jump in swinging with your melodrama accusations.
Incidentally I have not seen one poster on here who are okay with the plight of children in any part of the world."]You are being melodramatic.. With all your "walk in their shoes" guff, which Jane Austen novel did you take that one from?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1263 - 03/08/2021 15:15:05    2367295

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 03/08/2021 15:21:22    2367297

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To Canuck:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=Saynothing:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=Canuck:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?"]You say you've tried to stay out of it, well ye didn't try too hard , ten posts on the subject. Nothing new with you, against all things North. Ye mention wasting money, no bigger waste than paying a manager from the North big money yous couldn't afford. Did yous fly him up in a helicopter one day."]My posts before this were to do with ulster gaa teams, and whether or not they're getting a bad rap from the southern media, not to do with politics.
Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives."]"Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives."

So we get it. You are perfectly okay with the past history, status past and present of your fellow Irish men, women and children as governed by the British government in the six counties of Ireland that they main control of. Just clarifying your stance on this issue. Yes your posts were on Ulster GAA teams but you did jump in swinging with your melodrama accusations.
Incidentally I have not seen one poster on here who are okay with the plight of children in any part of the world."]You are being melodramatic.. With all your "walk in their shoes" guff, which Jane Austen novel did you take that one from?"]All sorts of analogies and personalized attacks that have nothing to do with the subject. Usually denotes no further contributions.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2207 - 03/08/2021 15:28:06    2367300

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 03/08/2021 16:12:20    2367327

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 03/08/2021 17:03:36    2367343

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not."]Just look back through mine and your posts AG. You still havent elaborated on your "join the dots" post despite being asked to. You trivialised peoples suffering up there by saying you were in far worse conflict zones. You didnt elaborate on these either although they are irrelevant anyway. And you still havent found the post where I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And you wont because I didnt.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 03/08/2021 19:58:27    2367393

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not."]Just look back through mine and your posts AG. You still havent elaborated on your "join the dots" post despite being asked to. You trivialised peoples suffering up there by saying you were in far worse conflict zones. You didnt elaborate on these either although they are irrelevant anyway. And you still havent found the post where I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And you wont because I didnt."]So I am correct there is no smoking gun, you are clearly unable to back up the below statement you made, I even offered you to give me the posters name and the time and date and you are still unable to do it:


Viking66: "I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

You accuse me of trivializing peoples suffering but yet this is what you said about Belfast during the troubles :

"I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire"

So you liked Belfast so much during the "Troubles" and all the "suffering" that you decided to stay.

You make my point very well for me, that in comparison to many war torn regions in the world that the North would have been a holiday, so much so that anyone from war torn regions might have liked it so much that they may have wanted to stay as well, just like you did.

It's a classic strawman argument you are putting forward.

Case dismissed.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 03/08/2021 21:05:05    2367399

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AfricaUK, getting sick long ago of your rubbish. Catholics in the North had it handy, is that what ye want to hear? When they were going through the troubles, they didn't care about other parts of the world, they had enough to worry about here . They got over it and are now thriving compared to the other side.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 03/08/2021 23:55:16    2367431

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not."]Just look back through mine and your posts AG. You still havent elaborated on your "join the dots" post despite being asked to. You trivialised peoples suffering up there by saying you were in far worse conflict zones. You didnt elaborate on these either although they are irrelevant anyway. And you still havent found the post where I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And you wont because I didnt."]So I am correct there is no smoking gun, you are clearly unable to back up the below statement you made, I even offered you to give me the posters name and the time and date and you are still unable to do it:


Viking66: "I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

You accuse me of trivializing peoples suffering but yet this is what you said about Belfast during the troubles :

"I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire"

So you liked Belfast so much during the "Troubles" and all the "suffering" that you decided to stay.

You make my point very well for me, that in comparison to many war torn regions in the world that the North would have been a holiday, so much so that anyone from war torn regions might have liked it so much that they may have wanted to stay as well, just like you did.

It's a classic strawman argument you are putting forward.

Case dismissed."]I liked Belfast for sure. The peoples fortitude and sense of craic impressed me and made me feel like I belonged. Ive still many friends there to this day. And you are still too scared to answer the questions put to you. Show me in your flashy italics where I said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man. And join the dots for me on Adrian Donohues murder theres a good man AG.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 04/08/2021 06:41:26    2367440

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"Seek first to understand, then to be understood" Stephen Covey

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2323 - 04/08/2021 09:39:00    2367450

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not."]Just look back through mine and your posts AG. You still havent elaborated on your "join the dots" post despite being asked to. You trivialised peoples suffering up there by saying you were in far worse conflict zones. You didnt elaborate on these either although they are irrelevant anyway. And you still havent found the post where I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And you wont because I didnt."]So I am correct there is no smoking gun, you are clearly unable to back up the below statement you made, I even offered you to give me the posters name and the time and date and you are still unable to do it:


Viking66: "I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

You accuse me of trivializing peoples suffering but yet this is what you said about Belfast during the troubles :

"I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire"

So you liked Belfast so much during the "Troubles" and all the "suffering" that you decided to stay.

You make my point very well for me, that in comparison to many war torn regions in the world that the North would have been a holiday, so much so that anyone from war torn regions might have liked it so much that they may have wanted to stay as well, just like you did.

It's a classic strawman argument you are putting forward.

Case dismissed."]You have reaffirmed in this post that you think the Troubles in the North were "merely a holiday compared many other war torn regions" so I dont need to look back through your previous ones for where you have said it before. That quote to any right minded reader is trivialising the Troubles. You still havent shown me the post where you claim I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And the point still stands that you arent claiming any first hand experience of life in the North during the Troubles so why do you feel you are qualified to talk about the subject at all let alone trivialise peoples suffering up there by comparing them to other places that quite frankly I dont believe you were ever closer to than a picture on your monitor at home. And yet you keep digging a bigger hole for yourself!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 04/08/2021 10:01:35    2367458

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not."]Just look back through mine and your posts AG. You still havent elaborated on your "join the dots" post despite being asked to. You trivialised peoples suffering up there by saying you were in far worse conflict zones. You didnt elaborate on these either although they are irrelevant anyway. And you still havent found the post where I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And you wont because I didnt."]So I am correct there is no smoking gun, you are clearly unable to back up the below statement you made, I even offered you to give me the posters name and the time and date and you are still unable to do it:


Viking66: "I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

You accuse me of trivializing peoples suffering but yet this is what you said about Belfast during the troubles :

"I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire"

So you liked Belfast so much during the "Troubles" and all the "suffering" that you decided to stay.

You make my point very well for me, that in comparison to many war torn regions in the world that the North would have been a holiday, so much so that anyone from war torn regions might have liked it so much that they may have wanted to stay as well, just like you did.

It's a classic strawman argument you are putting forward.

Case dismissed."]I liked Belfast for sure. The peoples fortitude and sense of craic impressed me and made me feel like I belonged. Ive still many friends there to this day. And you are still too scared to answer the questions put to you. Show me in your flashy italics where I said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man. And join the dots for me on Adrian Donohues murder theres a good man AG."]I'm glad to hear there was a great sense of craic during all the "suffering".

You might be able to cod a few strawberry pickers from Wexford with your tails of woe about the suffering "poor me" had to endure but you wont cod me or people like me.

Fellas like yourself, Ulsterman and SaffronDon aren't comfortable when confronted and challenged by people like me who can crush your victimhood nonsense with well presented facts.

I don't know whether you or the above mentioned realize it or not, but all you are doing is damage to real victims of the Troubles who did suffer a lot more than "having to look at ever car which drove by".

You all follow the same pattern, insult the messenger, call him a fool, call him uneducated, snip his post, rearrange his words , and finally start a straw man argument.

All of you clearly losing your temper while I remain as cool as a breeze, picking all of your nonsense off like a well trained sniper.

Now you are at the strawman argument stage, according to yourself you can't copy and paste, how can an "uneducated fool like myself" do so many simple things that a fella like yourself with all your degrees cant do, lol.

It's very convenient that you can't reference something when making a strawman argument.

So lets focus on one of your latest pieces of nonsense:

"Show me in your flashy italics where I said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man"

This is a classic example of the type of strawman arguments you come out with, it tries to give the impression to everyone at the end of a long thread that I said that you categorically stated that "Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man" and when I am unable to quote you categorically saying that (well how can I when it didn't exist) you try and use it against me. That tactic wont work on me.

But what I will do to prove I am correct is this, I'll expose your fallacy by asking you a simple question, point out to me where I said that you said that "Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man".

What you are trying to pass off as something else is the following exchange:

Viking66: Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground.

There was absolutely no reason for you to say "it has nothing to do with the GAA" unless you believed that the McAnespie murder had. By saying this you clearly implied that McAnespie murder was different and the difference was clear, if one has nothing to do with the GAA then the opposite of that is obvious.

When I pressed you on that this is what you said :

Viking66: I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasn't in any way connected to the GAA."

Once again you reiterate it was different because "it wasn't in any way connected to the GAA"


And once again the opposite to not being connected to the GAA is to be connected to the GAA.

Not alone that but you added that Garda Donohue wasn't murdered by the PIRA.

What the hell has the PIRA got to do with anything or why did you even mention them, were you of the belief that Aidan McAnespie was murdered by the PIRA or can you explain your line of thought when you decided to bring them into it ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 04/08/2021 11:29:01    2367499

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Who the hell is this AfricanGael? Has Eoghan Harris moved onto a GAA forum after getting found out on twitter?
I've never seen such a load of rubbish posted about the north, and on a GAA forum?
This place is worse than the youtube comments section.

Rolo99 (Tyrone) - Posts: 19 - 04/08/2021 12:10:35    2367511

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AG, your posts are like deciphering 16th century state papers!

I think most people have lost the thread of what anyone was saying.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 04/08/2021 12:13:12    2367515

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not."]Just look back through mine and your posts AG. You still havent elaborated on your "join the dots" post despite being asked to. You trivialised peoples suffering up there by saying you were in far worse conflict zones. You didnt elaborate on these either although they are irrelevant anyway. And you still havent found the post where I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And you wont because I didnt."]So I am correct there is no smoking gun, you are clearly unable to back up the below statement you made, I even offered you to give me the posters name and the time and date and you are still unable to do it:


Viking66: "I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

You accuse me of trivializing peoples suffering but yet this is what you said about Belfast during the troubles :

"I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire"

So you liked Belfast so much during the "Troubles" and all the "suffering" that you decided to stay.

You make my point very well for me, that in comparison to many war torn regions in the world that the North would have been a holiday, so much so that anyone from war torn regions might have liked it so much that they may have wanted to stay as well, just like you did.

It's a classic strawman argument you are putting forward.

Case dismissed."]I liked Belfast for sure. The peoples fortitude and sense of craic impressed me and made me feel like I belonged. Ive still many friends there to this day. And you are still too scared to answer the questions put to you. Show me in your flashy italics where I said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man. And join the dots for me on Adrian Donohues murder theres a good man AG."]I'm glad to hear there was a great sense of craic during all the "suffering".

You might be able to cod a few strawberry pickers from Wexford with your tails of woe about the suffering "poor me" had to endure but you wont cod me or people like me.

Fellas like yourself, Ulsterman and SaffronDon aren't comfortable when confronted and challenged by people like me who can crush your victimhood nonsense with well presented facts.

I don't know whether you or the above mentioned realize it or not, but all you are doing is damage to real victims of the Troubles who did suffer a lot more than "having to look at ever car which drove by".

You all follow the same pattern, insult the messenger, call him a fool, call him uneducated, snip his post, rearrange his words , and finally start a straw man argument.

All of you clearly losing your temper while I remain as cool as a breeze, picking all of your nonsense off like a well trained sniper.

Now you are at the strawman argument stage, according to yourself you can't copy and paste, how can an "uneducated fool like myself" do so many simple things that a fella like yourself with all your degrees cant do, lol.

It's very convenient that you can't reference something when making a strawman argument.

So lets focus on one of your latest pieces of nonsense:

"Show me in your flashy italics where I said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man"

This is a classic example of the type of strawman arguments you come out with, it tries to give the impression to everyone at the end of a long thread that I said that you categorically stated that "Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man" and when I am unable to quote you categorically saying that (well how can I when it didn't exist) you try and use it against me. That tactic wont work on me.

But what I will do to prove I am correct is this, I'll expose your fallacy by asking you a simple question, point out to me where I said that you said that "Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man".

What you are trying to pass off as something else is the following exchange:

Viking66: Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground.

There was absolutely no reason for you to say "it has nothing to do with the GAA" unless you believed that the McAnespie murder had. By saying this you clearly implied that McAnespie murder was different and the difference was clear, if one has nothing to do with the GAA then the opposite of that is obvious.

When I pressed you on that this is what you said :

Viking66: I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasn't in any way connected to the GAA."

Once again you reiterate it was different because "it wasn't in any way connected to the GAA"


And once again the opposite to not being connected to the GAA is to be connected to the GAA.

Not alone that but you added that Garda Donohue wasn't murdered by the PIRA.

What the hell has the PIRA got to do with anything or why did you even mention them, were you of the belief that Aidan McAnespie was murdered by the PIRA or can you explain your line of thought when you decided to bring them into it ?"]Now I'm glad you have finally admitted I never said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man. As regards the sense of craic I found people in the North of all political persuasions to be very similar that way. And both the same as people in the 26 counties. And liked and respected them for it. Not easy when friends and family are getting shot and you maybe get stopped 3 or 4 times and your car searched in every 3 mile journey. As regards Adrian Donohues murder I did a bit of reading up on it as you suggested. I couldnt find any evidence in what I read that his murder was in any way connected to the Troubles. Hence stating he wasnt murdered by the PIRA. Maybe I couldve put it a better way. You still wont "join the dots" for us so as usual you are typing loads without actually saying anything. More smokescreen and deflection. Are you a politician?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 04/08/2021 12:18:10    2367521

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D"]You were a child when you lived in those places so you're not qualified to tell us about "day to day life in these places" !

"I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

Give me a good copy and paste example of what you mean in the above and let's see for once and for all if you are correct or just making things up."]As a child I saw as much as I ever do now. My eyesight didnt improve when I turned 18 and in fact is worse now than when I was 8 or 16. I dont know how to copy and paste I had to get my daughter to do it for me before. In any case I read back over the thread. That's how I know I'm right in my quotes from posts either of us put up. Any other posters on this are well able to read the thread again also. Im amazed that you arent."]That's fine if you don't copy and paste, Just tell me the date, time and poster and I'll do it here so we can see if you are correct or not."]Just look back through mine and your posts AG. You still havent elaborated on your "join the dots" post despite being asked to. You trivialised peoples suffering up there by saying you were in far worse conflict zones. You didnt elaborate on these either although they are irrelevant anyway. And you still havent found the post where I said Aidan McAnespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. And you wont because I didnt."]So I am correct there is no smoking gun, you are clearly unable to back up the below statement you made, I even offered you to give me the posters name and the time and date and you are still unable to do it:


Viking66: "I'm merely getting annoyed at some posters posting expert opinion on this thread about what life was like during that time in the North when it's very obvious from what they are posting that they have little or no first hand experience of it"

You accuse me of trivializing peoples suffering but yet this is what you said about Belfast during the troubles :

"I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire"

So you liked Belfast so much during the "Troubles" and all the "suffering" that you decided to stay.

You make my point very well for me, that in comparison to many war torn regions in the world that the North would have been a holiday, so much so that anyone from war torn regions might have liked it so much that they may have wanted to stay as well, just like you did.

It's a classic strawman argument you are putting forward.

Case dismissed."]I liked Belfast for sure. The peoples fortitude and sense of craic impressed me and made me feel like I belonged. Ive still many friends there to this day. And you are still too scared to answer the questions put to you. Show me in your flashy italics where I said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man. And join the dots for me on Adrian Donohues murder theres a good man AG."]I'm glad to hear there was a great sense of craic during all the "suffering".

You might be able to cod a few strawberry pickers from Wexford with your tails of woe about the suffering "poor me" had to endure but you wont cod me or people like me.

Fellas like yourself, Ulsterman and SaffronDon aren't comfortable when confronted and challenged by people like me who can crush your victimhood nonsense with well presented facts.

I don't know whether you or the above mentioned realize it or not, but all you are doing is damage to real victims of the Troubles who did suffer a lot more than "having to look at ever car which drove by".

You all follow the same pattern, insult the messenger, call him a fool, call him uneducated, snip his post, rearrange his words , and finally start a straw man argument.

All of you clearly losing your temper while I remain as cool as a breeze, picking all of your nonsense off like a well trained sniper.

Now you are at the strawman argument stage, according to yourself you can't copy and paste, how can an "uneducated fool like myself" do so many simple things that a fella like yourself with all your degrees cant do, lol.

It's very convenient that you can't reference something when making a strawman argument.

So lets focus on one of your latest pieces of nonsense:

"Show me in your flashy italics where I said Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man"

This is a classic example of the type of strawman arguments you come out with, it tries to give the impression to everyone at the end of a long thread that I said that you categorically stated that "Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man" and when I am unable to quote you categorically saying that (well how can I when it didn't exist) you try and use it against me. That tactic wont work on me.

But what I will do to prove I am correct is this, I'll expose your fallacy by asking you a simple question, point out to me where I said that you said that "Aidan McAnespie was shot because he was a GAA man".

What you are trying to pass off as something else is the following exchange:

Viking66: Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground.

There was absolutely no reason for you to say "it has nothing to do with the GAA" unless you believed that the McAnespie murder had. By saying this you clearly implied that McAnespie murder was different and the difference was clear, if one has nothing to do with the GAA then the opposite of that is obvious.

When I pressed you on that this is what you said :

Viking66: I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasn't in any way connected to the GAA."

Once again you reiterate it was different because "it wasn't in any way connected to the GAA"


And once again the opposite to not being connected to the GAA is to be connected to the GAA.

Not alone that but you added that Garda Donohue wasn't murdered by the PIRA.

What the hell has the PIRA got to do with anything or why did you even mention them, were you of the belief that Aidan McAnespie was murdered by the PIRA or can you explain your line of thought when you decided to bring them into it ?"]What exactly did you mean by "join the dots"?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 04/08/2021 12:20:23    2367525

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