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Replying To Ulsterman:  "I'm guessing you didn't experience or live through the conflict on the North. I don't need a lesson on Irish history as I've studied it widely. I also lived every minute of the Troubles. For many, the families of victims especially, the conflict isn't history it's now, it's real and they live it every day. How dare you accuse these people of looking back. You know very little about the 6 counties that's obvious and you don't seem to care anything about it. That's your choice but don't pontificate or lecture about things you know nothing about."
Nail on the head Ulsterman. He asked why I was agitated by his attitude but you have answered that question for me.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 02/08/2021 18:03:00    2366963

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Replying To Viking66:  "Nail on the head Ulsterman. He asked why I was agitated by his attitude but you have answered that question for me."
If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 02/08/2021 18:35:26    2366980

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Ulsterman,

I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in would make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on it's darkest of days, so don't lecture me about "conflicts" or suffering because you are barking up the wrong tree.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 02/08/2021 18:44:28    2366983

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Replying To Canuck:  "It's funny I found this and it rings true.

The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country, and he replied, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover … but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again."

Why is that, he was asked? And his reply was, "Hard times create strong men, strong men create easy times. Easy times create weak men, weak men create difficult times. Many will not understand it, but you have to raise warriors, not parasites."

And add to that the historical reality that all great empires ... the Persians, the Trojans, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, and in later years, the British ... all rose and perished within 240 years. They were not conquered by external enemies; they rotted from within.

America has now passed that 240 year mark, and the rot is starting to be visible and is accelerating. We are past the Mercedes and Land Rover Years ... the camels are on the horizon."
Well said, covers a multitude, can be applied to sport, business etc

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4734 - 02/08/2021 18:50:50    2366984

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Ulsterman,

I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in would make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on it's darkest of days, so don't lecture me about "conflicts" or suffering because you are barking up the wrong tree."
More smokescreen. He wasnt lecturing about conflicts and suffering in general just the one he has had to live through. And one that you know very little about.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 02/08/2021 19:21:15    2366996

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 02/08/2021 19:24:48    2366999

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Ulsterman,

I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in would make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on it's darkest of days, so don't lecture me about "conflicts" or suffering because you are barking up the wrong tree."
And while I know nothing about the trouble spots you might or might not have been to I lived in South Korea which is still at war with North Korea, Israel when the house next door to ours got flattened by a bomb during an Arab air strike and Botswana after Ian Smith declared UDI and even the trains were armour plated. Day to day life in these places was nothing like living on the Cliftonville Road and Ardoyne during the troubles as I did. If you walked along the street you looked at every car driving by. That didnt happen in Israel or Botswana for 25 years. Dont trivialise events and places you know nothing about.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 02/08/2021 19:30:13    2367005

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1708 - 02/08/2021 20:36:47    2367032

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 02/08/2021 20:48:43    2367041

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Replying To Canuck:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 02/08/2021 20:53:00    2367043

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To Canuck:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?"]Sorry don't really know what you are trying to say here. If there is a lie in what I posted you are right to call it out. If you believe that Irish people who see themselves as that have not suffered under rule in the 6 counties you are naive or in denial or don't care. You have more or less said that but you are welcome to your view. However mine has nothing to do with melodrama or lack of empathy for the suffering of anyone in the world. Did any country in the world per head of population raise more for charity in the last 12 months ? If so let's applaud them also. Again apologize if you feel you were dragged into this conversation but talk about melodrama.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1708 - 03/08/2021 02:06:26    2367109

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 03/08/2021 07:09:07    2367120

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 03/08/2021 10:02:16    2367151

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To Canuck:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?"]You say you've tried to stay out of it, well ye didn't try too hard , ten posts on the subject. Nothing new with you, against all things North. Ye mention wasting money, no bigger waste than paying a manager from the North big money yous couldn't afford. Did yous fly him up in a helicopter one day.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1021 - 03/08/2021 10:37:54    2367161

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 03/08/2021 10:56:03    2367171

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 03/08/2021 10:56:29    2367172

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own .

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 03/08/2021 12:46:05    2367216

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Replying To Saynothing:  "
Replying To Galway9801:  "[quote=Canuck:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
"Come walk in my shoes " These shoes belong to our country men/women and the day we turn our back on them is a sad day. Ignorance is not an excuse but plenty exists in the smugness of our 26 county cocoon. Put the blame were it is deserved on the empire creators. However do the best we can to work in changing that wrong with the current up holders of their predecessors. Their intransigence has existed for decades and I for one don't believe for a second that it is out of concern for the well being of either political views in the six counties. Let's face it the empire has failed like many others before it. Why ? Because it is based on suppression."]Oh would you stop with the melodrama for Gods sake, I've tried to stay out of this but there's only so much ya can listen to,, going on about a cocoon as if the North is the 7th circle of hell. People go to the North to claim asylum ffs. 9 000 000 people starved to death last year and we did pretty much nothing to help them, spending our money on pubs and betting shops and weed and what, I'm supposed to be more concerned about some fella being called "a fenian"?"]You say you've tried to stay out of it, well ye didn't try too hard , ten posts on the subject. Nothing new with you, against all things North. Ye mention wasting money, no bigger waste than paying a manager from the North big money yous couldn't afford. Did yous fly him up in a helicopter one day."]My posts before this were to do with ulster gaa teams, and whether or not they're getting a bad rap from the southern media, not to do with politics.
Sorry to burst some people's bubbles here, but there are kids in some parts of the world who've seem more horror before they learn to walk than today's Ulster kids will experience in their whole lives.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 03/08/2021 13:18:06    2367225

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Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]Absolutely right, people on here acting as if not wanting to go to the North at the height of the troubles is some sort of moral crime, when in fact it was a perfectly logical reasonable position to take.
I wonder how many of these phoney virtue signallers have travelled to actual war zones in Africa /the Middle East to "see for themselves" what its like.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 03/08/2021 13:25:18    2367228

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "If you consider this to be hitting the nail on the head then I can see what camp you are in:

The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful

It's his personal opinion and has no basis in fact."
I've spent the last 26 years of my life living in Wexford. I know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles. Some are genuinely ashamed. Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles and some still are. It has a basis in fact in Wexford and numerous other counties here in the 26 counties. It's not just his personal opinion. You seem to be the man with few facts and plenty of opinions."
On one hand you say you know numerous people down here that know nothing about the troubles but in the same breath you also say "Most were too afraid to go up there during the troubles", so clearly they did know or otherwise they wouldn't have been afraid !

You see, it's this type of contradictory nonsense which draws the wrath of AG.

Was there some kind of media blackout in Wexford or something or what exactly do you feel the people of Wexford ought to have known apart from what they already knew and what difference would all the minute day to day details have made had they known them ?

I think it's a reasonable question to ask."]It's not at all contradictory. They know nothing because they were too afraid to go see for themselves and find out. As regards a media blackout it has been proved time and again that most or all governments do suppress news in the interest of security from time to time. I hope these are reasonable answers to reasonable questions. Oh and 1 more thing about you that is agitating is your liking for talking in the 3rd person. Presumably you dont live in Buckingham palace?!"]Do you really believe that people from Wexford or any other county in the Republic should feel some sort of shame because they never travelled to the North at the height of the "Troubles" "to see for themselves", are you being serious or is it some kind of bad joke.

Because that's exactly what you are saying. It's the most ridiculous argument I've heard in a long time.
"]More smokescreen from you. You and I and everyone else on this knows that wasnt the point you made. I didnt say anyone should feel ashamed only that some did. And certainly anyone that didnt even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there or what it was like to live through those times or attempt to trivialise it by saying "I can assure you that the conflict zones I have had to operate in make Northern Ireland feel like a holiday even on its darkest days". No doubt, even if what you are saying is true, you were able to run away from them when your time there was done? And if you did go to some of the places you wont name I'm sure you would know that no news report or documentary can truly convey what it was like to live there."]Run away ? This is coming from a man who ran from South Korea, Israel, Botswana and eventually ran from Belfast to Wexford.

"And certainly anyone that didn't even go there shouldn't be lecturing anyone from there about what happened there"

Do you think I was never in the North during the "Troubles" ? Is that what you are trying to say ?

Maybe I don't feel the need to wear the "poor me" cap as much and maybe I am more qualified to judge what is a holiday camp compared to what more severe suffering is, so everything is relative.

If someone wants to tell their story that's fine but to start off a post by saying "The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful"
is certainly not the way to do it.

I met plenty people in New York who decided to leave the North and emigrate because they wanted a better life for themselves and their families and they were 100% correct in what they done, at least they had a choice unlike millions of people around the world who couldn't escape war, genocide, starvation or all and yes living in the North during the "Troubles" would have seemed like a holiday to those people.

Where did the worst single day atrocity as a result of the "Troubles" in the North take place ? That's right, in The Republic, perhaps the people of Wexford didn't hear that either.

The people in the Republic know plenty about the "Troubles" don't worry about that, and if I met someone who didn't or had no interest then that wouldn't bother me in the slightest and I wouldn't assume or feel that they were or should feel any "shame".

There are people in South Dublin who would appear to have no interest in what's happening in the Northside never mind in Northern Ireland, they just go about their daily business, do you think they feel or should feel any shame about that, not in the slightest or perhaps we could organize tours for them.

I'm sure they are well aware of any social issues, perceived or real there though without feeling the need to actually live in an area that may not be as affluent as their own ."]Firstly I never suggested that anyone in the 26 counties should feel any shame for not going to the North. Merely pointed out that some did which they do. Read the thread again. I was a child in those places and when my father finished his post there we moved onto the next place. I moved to Belfast where I did my honours degree and liked it so I stayed. Finally I moved down to Wexford after the ceasefire. Think the date I moved is actually in a previous post or could be worked out from them but then as usual you didnt check before you ran off at the finger. Or maybe you dont know that there was a ceasefire as you certainly dont seem to know when it was. You as usual are posting first without checking your facts fool:-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3526 - 03/08/2021 14:09:33    2367255

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