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Replying To AfricanGael: "Thankfully SaffronDon I was educated enough to be able to read something and understand it, which is clearly more than can be said for yourself, BarneyGrant , seamusorinn and all the other thumbs up yahooers at a similar level which you attract.
Anyone who needs to resort to what you done and snip a full quote of mine and then trying to pass it off as a standalone comment is the one who needs to be educated but don't worry AG is here to help you.
This is what your mate Viking66 (Wexford) wrote :
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
And this was my reply to him:
"And then imply that Aidan McAnespie was murdered solely because he was a member of a GAA club and not because he may have been a nationalist"
Do I really need to explain to you, BarneyGrant, seamusorinn and the other yahooers in minute detail what my point is, it's pretty simple to understand really.
My point is that it is wrong and inappropriate to imply in any way that Aidan McAnespie was murdered just because he was a member of a GAA club, it is disrespectful actually and comes across as if the GAA are seeking out free publicity from the murder of an innocent lad, because it is irrelevant what sport the boy was involved in or where he was going at the time, he was passing a checkpoint and the question to Viking66 was that does he not consider that maybe Aidan McAnespie was shot merely because he was a nationalist, any nationalist and regardless of where he was going when he was passing a checkpoint, so to imply that he was murdered simply because of his involvement in the GAA is totally disrespectful.
Because that is like saying that it was the GAA which was targeted and that is simply not true, do you really believe that if Aidan McAnespie was wearing a Celtic jersey that he wouldn't have been murdered.
When Viking66 wrote:
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
"it has nothing to do with the GAA"
So by saying this, what Viking66 is saying here is that Aidan McAnespie's murder had something to do with the GAA and because of that it is somehow worse than the murder of Detective Adrian Donohue, that is such a disrespectful comment to make.
Detective Adrian Donohue never returned home to his wife and young kids because he was murdered by thugs who then ran home north of the border.
So before you start snipping half sentences again I'd appreciate if you might first read the whole post, however many times you need to understand it SaffronDon." I dont think you ever explained why the murder of a detective by gangsters has any relevance to Dublin GAA fans laying a wreath in respect of another GAA member. Do you want them to bring a thousand wreaths for everyone that died along their route to the match? You've decided to sour a nice gesture with the most random reference you could come up with.
Then you some how derive from Viking's comments that he was trivialising a life when he was simply asking why it was brought up and what relevance it has to the debate. There was no evidence at all that he thought one life was more important than the other, you made that up.
Then you try to make some fabricated distinction between being a GAA member and a nationalist? As if there wasnt a long history of loyalist and security forces targeting GAA members because they knew exactly what their background would be.
I did only want to highlight one of your mistakes but you kinda forced me into responding to the rest as well. I could give past examples too but perhaps that's enough on a big match day.
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Well in the spirit of friendship I must say that Ulster football has given us two absolutely cracking games in the last 24 hours.
Hopefully the all Ireland series can live up to it.
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i remember there was a bit of trouble in Navan in 2018 when meath and tyrone met in a classic qualifier. gardai came up on the terrace and took a palestine flag off tyrone fans , i thiink the meath fans cheered on the gardai , remember meath fans also jeering them on the pitch after for having palestine flags.
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 687 - 31/07/2021 22:52:45
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Thankfully SaffronDon I was educated enough to be able to read something and understand it, which is clearly more than can be said for yourself, BarneyGrant , seamusorinn and all the other thumbs up yahooers at a similar level which you attract.
Anyone who needs to resort to what you done and snip a full quote of mine and then trying to pass it off as a standalone comment is the one who needs to be educated but don't worry AG is here to help you.
This is what your mate Viking66 (Wexford) wrote :
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
And this was my reply to him:
"And then imply that Aidan McAnespie was murdered solely because he was a member of a GAA club and not because he may have been a nationalist"
Do I really need to explain to you, BarneyGrant, seamusorinn and the other yahooers in minute detail what my point is, it's pretty simple to understand really.
My point is that it is wrong and inappropriate to imply in any way that Aidan McAnespie was murdered just because he was a member of a GAA club, it is disrespectful actually and comes across as if the GAA are seeking out free publicity from the murder of an innocent lad, because it is irrelevant what sport the boy was involved in or where he was going at the time, he was passing a checkpoint and the question to Viking66 was that does he not consider that maybe Aidan McAnespie was shot merely because he was a nationalist, any nationalist and regardless of where he was going when he was passing a checkpoint, so to imply that he was murdered simply because of his involvement in the GAA is totally disrespectful.
Because that is like saying that it was the GAA which was targeted and that is simply not true, do you really believe that if Aidan McAnespie was wearing a Celtic jersey that he wouldn't have been murdered.
When Viking66 wrote:
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
"it has nothing to do with the GAA"
So by saying this, what Viking66 is saying here is that Aidan McAnespie's murder had something to do with the GAA and because of that it is somehow worse than the murder of Detective Adrian Donohue, that is such a disrespectful comment to make.
Detective Adrian Donohue never returned home to his wife and young kids because he was murdered by thugs who then ran home north of the border.
So before you start snipping half sentences again I'd appreciate if you might first read the whole post, however many times you need to understand it SaffronDon." I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasnt in any way connected to the GAA.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 31/07/2021 23:28:15
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Replying To Galway9801: "Well in the spirit of friendship I must say that Ulster football has given us two absolutely cracking games in the last 24 hours.
Hopefully the all Ireland series can live up to it." Yes very good games, I think the two AI semis will be decent, providing Kerry don't dish out a serious hiding to Tyrone, which they are very capable of doing this year I feel. Tyrone are going to have to roll back the years to win this one. Kerry have a thing about Tyrone, it will be interesting.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 31/07/2021 23:51:26
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To AfricanGael: "Thankfully SaffronDon I was educated enough to be able to read something and understand it, which is clearly more than can be said for yourself, BarneyGrant , seamusorinn and all the other thumbs up yahooers at a similar level which you attract.
Anyone who needs to resort to what you done and snip a full quote of mine and then trying to pass it off as a standalone comment is the one who needs to be educated but don't worry AG is here to help you.
This is what your mate Viking66 (Wexford) wrote :
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
And this was my reply to him:
"And then imply that Aidan McAnespie was murdered solely because he was a member of a GAA club and not because he may have been a nationalist"
Do I really need to explain to you, BarneyGrant, seamusorinn and the other yahooers in minute detail what my point is, it's pretty simple to understand really.
My point is that it is wrong and inappropriate to imply in any way that Aidan McAnespie was murdered just because he was a member of a GAA club, it is disrespectful actually and comes across as if the GAA are seeking out free publicity from the murder of an innocent lad, because it is irrelevant what sport the boy was involved in or where he was going at the time, he was passing a checkpoint and the question to Viking66 was that does he not consider that maybe Aidan McAnespie was shot merely because he was a nationalist, any nationalist and regardless of where he was going when he was passing a checkpoint, so to imply that he was murdered simply because of his involvement in the GAA is totally disrespectful.
Because that is like saying that it was the GAA which was targeted and that is simply not true, do you really believe that if Aidan McAnespie was wearing a Celtic jersey that he wouldn't have been murdered.
When Viking66 wrote:
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
"it has nothing to do with the GAA"
So by saying this, what Viking66 is saying here is that Aidan McAnespie's murder had something to do with the GAA and because of that it is somehow worse than the murder of Detective Adrian Donohue, that is such a disrespectful comment to make.
Detective Adrian Donohue never returned home to his wife and young kids because he was murdered by thugs who then ran home north of the border.
So before you start snipping half sentences again I'd appreciate if you might first read the whole post, however many times you need to understand it SaffronDon." I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasnt in any way connected to the GAA."
I think you will agree that by you writing "Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground" that you did in fact make an undeniable and explicit distinction between both heinous crimes and consequently by saying one murder has nothing to do with the GAA you are saying the other has.
Neither of the heinous crimes has anything whatsoever to do with the GAA, notwithstanding the fact that both victims were members of the GAA, like hundreds of thousands of others are in Ireland.
in fact Garda Detective Adrian Donohoe played U-21 for Cavan, was deeply involved in the St. Patrick's club in Lordship both as a player and an underage coach.
Both men were murdered by callous thugs so I hope SaffronDon will reflect on his insensitive description of my reference to the murder of Detective Adrian Donohoe as "the most random reference you could come up with".
It's not appropriate that the GAA hierarchy communicate, comment or be seen in any way to meddle in either a murder investigation, it's findings or the release of any information which could result in the identification of witnesses.
It needs to be apolitical now more than ever.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 01/08/2021 12:17:19
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Replying To AfricanGael: "I would advise you to read up on the investigation into the murder of Adrian Donohue very carefully before replying with such a ludicrous and disrespectful comment.
Join the dots, that's all I'll say to you." Explain what dots you want us all to join and tell us what you think the picture is instead of your usual disingenuous waffle then.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 01/08/2021 17:24:22
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Thankfully SaffronDon I was educated enough to be able to read something and understand it, which is clearly more than can be said for yourself, BarneyGrant , seamusorinn and all the other thumbs up yahooers at a similar level which you attract.
Anyone who needs to resort to what you done and snip a full quote of mine and then trying to pass it off as a standalone comment is the one who needs to be educated but don't worry AG is here to help you.
This is what your mate Viking66 (Wexford) wrote :
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
And this was my reply to him:
"And then imply that Aidan McAnespie was murdered solely because he was a member of a GAA club and not because he may have been a nationalist"
Do I really need to explain to you, BarneyGrant, seamusorinn and the other yahooers in minute detail what my point is, it's pretty simple to understand really.
My point is that it is wrong and inappropriate to imply in any way that Aidan McAnespie was murdered just because he was a member of a GAA club, it is disrespectful actually and comes across as if the GAA are seeking out free publicity from the murder of an innocent lad, because it is irrelevant what sport the boy was involved in or where he was going at the time, he was passing a checkpoint and the question to Viking66 was that does he not consider that maybe Aidan McAnespie was shot merely because he was a nationalist, any nationalist and regardless of where he was going when he was passing a checkpoint, so to imply that he was murdered simply because of his involvement in the GAA is totally disrespectful.
Because that is like saying that it was the GAA which was targeted and that is simply not true, do you really believe that if Aidan McAnespie was wearing a Celtic jersey that he wouldn't have been murdered.
When Viking66 wrote:
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
"it has nothing to do with the GAA"
So by saying this, what Viking66 is saying here is that Aidan McAnespie's murder had something to do with the GAA and because of that it is somehow worse than the murder of Detective Adrian Donohue, that is such a disrespectful comment to make.
Detective Adrian Donohue never returned home to his wife and young kids because he was murdered by thugs who then ran home north of the border.
So before you start snipping half sentences again I'd appreciate if you might first read the whole post, however many times you need to understand it SaffronDon." I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasnt in any way connected to the GAA."
I think you will agree that by you writing "Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground" that you did in fact make an undeniable and explicit distinction between both heinous crimes and consequently by saying one murder has nothing to do with the GAA you are saying the other has.
Neither of the heinous crimes has anything whatsoever to do with the GAA, notwithstanding the fact that both victims were members of the GAA, like hundreds of thousands of others are in Ireland.
in fact Garda Detective Adrian Donohoe played U-21 for Cavan, was deeply involved in the St. Patrick's club in Lordship both as a player and an underage coach.
Both men were murdered by callous thugs so I hope SaffronDon will reflect on his insensitive description of my reference to the murder of Detective Adrian Donohoe as "the most random reference you could come up with".
It's not appropriate that the GAA hierarchy communicate, comment or be seen in any way to meddle in either a murder investigation, it's findings or the release of any information which could result in the identification of witnesses.
It needs to be apolitical now more than ever."]More smokescreen from the master of evasion. Noone has said the GAA hierarchy are meddling in any criminal investigation. The original post that started all this "uneducated" nonsense out of you was merely a compliment to Dublin fans laying wreaths at the spot Aidan McAnespie was murdered or the ground he was going to. I'd say every other poster except you had the thought "fair play to them" and thought no more about it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 01/08/2021 17:31:01
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To AfricanGael: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Thankfully SaffronDon I was educated enough to be able to read something and understand it, which is clearly more than can be said for yourself, BarneyGrant , seamusorinn and all the other thumbs up yahooers at a similar level which you attract.
Anyone who needs to resort to what you done and snip a full quote of mine and then trying to pass it off as a standalone comment is the one who needs to be educated but don't worry AG is here to help you.
This is what your mate Viking66 (Wexford) wrote :
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
And this was my reply to him:
"And then imply that Aidan McAnespie was murdered solely because he was a member of a GAA club and not because he may have been a nationalist"
Do I really need to explain to you, BarneyGrant, seamusorinn and the other yahooers in minute detail what my point is, it's pretty simple to understand really.
My point is that it is wrong and inappropriate to imply in any way that Aidan McAnespie was murdered just because he was a member of a GAA club, it is disrespectful actually and comes across as if the GAA are seeking out free publicity from the murder of an innocent lad, because it is irrelevant what sport the boy was involved in or where he was going at the time, he was passing a checkpoint and the question to Viking66 was that does he not consider that maybe Aidan McAnespie was shot merely because he was a nationalist, any nationalist and regardless of where he was going when he was passing a checkpoint, so to imply that he was murdered simply because of his involvement in the GAA is totally disrespectful.
Because that is like saying that it was the GAA which was targeted and that is simply not true, do you really believe that if Aidan McAnespie was wearing a Celtic jersey that he wouldn't have been murdered.
When Viking66 wrote:
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
"it has nothing to do with the GAA"
So by saying this, what Viking66 is saying here is that Aidan McAnespie's murder had something to do with the GAA and because of that it is somehow worse than the murder of Detective Adrian Donohue, that is such a disrespectful comment to make.
Detective Adrian Donohue never returned home to his wife and young kids because he was murdered by thugs who then ran home north of the border.
So before you start snipping half sentences again I'd appreciate if you might first read the whole post, however many times you need to understand it SaffronDon." I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasnt in any way connected to the GAA."
I think you will agree that by you writing "Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground" that you did in fact make an undeniable and explicit distinction between both heinous crimes and consequently by saying one murder has nothing to do with the GAA you are saying the other has.
Neither of the heinous crimes has anything whatsoever to do with the GAA, notwithstanding the fact that both victims were members of the GAA, like hundreds of thousands of others are in Ireland.
in fact Garda Detective Adrian Donohoe played U-21 for Cavan, was deeply involved in the St. Patrick's club in Lordship both as a player and an underage coach.
Both men were murdered by callous thugs so I hope SaffronDon will reflect on his insensitive description of my reference to the murder of Detective Adrian Donohoe as "the most random reference you could come up with".
It's not appropriate that the GAA hierarchy communicate, comment or be seen in any way to meddle in either a murder investigation, it's findings or the release of any information which could result in the identification of witnesses.
It needs to be apolitical now more than ever."]More smokescreen from the master of evasion. Noone has said the GAA hierarchy are meddling in any criminal investigation. The original post that started all this "uneducated" nonsense out of you was merely a compliment to Dublin fans laying wreaths at the spot Aidan McAnespie was murdered or the ground he was going to. I'd say every other poster except you had the thought "fair play to them" and thought no more about it."]Tell me what part do you feel is uneducated, and I'll gladly school you. Is there any reason you are getting so agitated ?
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 01/08/2021 20:21:30
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To AfricanGael: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Thankfully SaffronDon I was educated enough to be able to read something and understand it, which is clearly more than can be said for yourself, BarneyGrant , seamusorinn and all the other thumbs up yahooers at a similar level which you attract.
Anyone who needs to resort to what you done and snip a full quote of mine and then trying to pass it off as a standalone comment is the one who needs to be educated but don't worry AG is here to help you.
This is what your mate Viking66 (Wexford) wrote :
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
And this was my reply to him:
"And then imply that Aidan McAnespie was murdered solely because he was a member of a GAA club and not because he may have been a nationalist"
Do I really need to explain to you, BarneyGrant, seamusorinn and the other yahooers in minute detail what my point is, it's pretty simple to understand really.
My point is that it is wrong and inappropriate to imply in any way that Aidan McAnespie was murdered just because he was a member of a GAA club, it is disrespectful actually and comes across as if the GAA are seeking out free publicity from the murder of an innocent lad, because it is irrelevant what sport the boy was involved in or where he was going at the time, he was passing a checkpoint and the question to Viking66 was that does he not consider that maybe Aidan McAnespie was shot merely because he was a nationalist, any nationalist and regardless of where he was going when he was passing a checkpoint, so to imply that he was murdered simply because of his involvement in the GAA is totally disrespectful.
Because that is like saying that it was the GAA which was targeted and that is simply not true, do you really believe that if Aidan McAnespie was wearing a Celtic jersey that he wouldn't have been murdered.
When Viking66 wrote:
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
"it has nothing to do with the GAA"
So by saying this, what Viking66 is saying here is that Aidan McAnespie's murder had something to do with the GAA and because of that it is somehow worse than the murder of Detective Adrian Donohue, that is such a disrespectful comment to make.
Detective Adrian Donohue never returned home to his wife and young kids because he was murdered by thugs who then ran home north of the border.
So before you start snipping half sentences again I'd appreciate if you might first read the whole post, however many times you need to understand it SaffronDon." I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasnt in any way connected to the GAA."
I think you will agree that by you writing "Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground" that you did in fact make an undeniable and explicit distinction between both heinous crimes and consequently by saying one murder has nothing to do with the GAA you are saying the other has.
Neither of the heinous crimes has anything whatsoever to do with the GAA, notwithstanding the fact that both victims were members of the GAA, like hundreds of thousands of others are in Ireland.
in fact Garda Detective Adrian Donohoe played U-21 for Cavan, was deeply involved in the St. Patrick's club in Lordship both as a player and an underage coach.
Both men were murdered by callous thugs so I hope SaffronDon will reflect on his insensitive description of my reference to the murder of Detective Adrian Donohoe as "the most random reference you could come up with".
It's not appropriate that the GAA hierarchy communicate, comment or be seen in any way to meddle in either a murder investigation, it's findings or the release of any information which could result in the identification of witnesses.
It needs to be apolitical now more than ever."]More smokescreen from the master of evasion. Noone has said the GAA hierarchy are meddling in any criminal investigation. The original post that started all this "uneducated" nonsense out of you was merely a compliment to Dublin fans laying wreaths at the spot Aidan McAnespie was murdered or the ground he was going to. I'd say every other poster except you had the thought "fair play to them" and thought no more about it."]This is what I said :
It's not appropriate that the GAA hierarchy communicate, comment or be seen in any way to meddle in either a murder investigation, it's findings or the release of any information which could result in the identification of witnesses.
Unlike you, I stand by what I say until proven otherwise.
So tell me, do you agree with my opinion that it is not appropriate ?
The floor is yours.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 01/08/2021 20:34:00
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=AfricanGael: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=AfricanGael: "Thankfully SaffronDon I was educated enough to be able to read something and understand it, which is clearly more than can be said for yourself, BarneyGrant , seamusorinn and all the other thumbs up yahooers at a similar level which you attract.
Anyone who needs to resort to what you done and snip a full quote of mine and then trying to pass it off as a standalone comment is the one who needs to be educated but don't worry AG is here to help you.
This is what your mate Viking66 (Wexford) wrote :
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
And this was my reply to him:
"And then imply that Aidan McAnespie was murdered solely because he was a member of a GAA club and not because he may have been a nationalist"
Do I really need to explain to you, BarneyGrant, seamusorinn and the other yahooers in minute detail what my point is, it's pretty simple to understand really.
My point is that it is wrong and inappropriate to imply in any way that Aidan McAnespie was murdered just because he was a member of a GAA club, it is disrespectful actually and comes across as if the GAA are seeking out free publicity from the murder of an innocent lad, because it is irrelevant what sport the boy was involved in or where he was going at the time, he was passing a checkpoint and the question to Viking66 was that does he not consider that maybe Aidan McAnespie was shot merely because he was a nationalist, any nationalist and regardless of where he was going when he was passing a checkpoint, so to imply that he was murdered simply because of his involvement in the GAA is totally disrespectful.
Because that is like saying that it was the GAA which was targeted and that is simply not true, do you really believe that if Aidan McAnespie was wearing a Celtic jersey that he wouldn't have been murdered.
When Viking66 wrote:
"Adrian Donohue was murdered by gangsters in the course of his work. Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground"
"it has nothing to do with the GAA"
So by saying this, what Viking66 is saying here is that Aidan McAnespie's murder had something to do with the GAA and because of that it is somehow worse than the murder of Detective Adrian Donohue, that is such a disrespectful comment to make.
Detective Adrian Donohue never returned home to his wife and young kids because he was murdered by thugs who then ran home north of the border.
So before you start snipping half sentences again I'd appreciate if you might first read the whole post, however many times you need to understand it SaffronDon." I never said Aisan Mc!nespie was murdered because he was a GAA man. Read the post. The point I was making was Garda Donohue wasnt murdered by the PIRA and wrong though his murder was it wasnt in any way connected to the GAA."
I think you will agree that by you writing "Sad though that is it has nothing to do with the GAA and a lad who was murdered on his way to a GAA ground" that you did in fact make an undeniable and explicit distinction between both heinous crimes and consequently by saying one murder has nothing to do with the GAA you are saying the other has.
Neither of the heinous crimes has anything whatsoever to do with the GAA, notwithstanding the fact that both victims were members of the GAA, like hundreds of thousands of others are in Ireland.
in fact Garda Detective Adrian Donohoe played U-21 for Cavan, was deeply involved in the St. Patrick's club in Lordship both as a player and an underage coach.
Both men were murdered by callous thugs so I hope SaffronDon will reflect on his insensitive description of my reference to the murder of Detective Adrian Donohoe as "the most random reference you could come up with".
It's not appropriate that the GAA hierarchy communicate, comment or be seen in any way to meddle in either a murder investigation, it's findings or the release of any information which could result in the identification of witnesses.
It needs to be apolitical now more than ever."]More smokescreen from the master of evasion. Noone has said the GAA hierarchy are meddling in any criminal investigation. The original post that started all this "uneducated" nonsense out of you was merely a compliment to Dublin fans laying wreaths at the spot Aidan McAnespie was murdered or the ground he was going to. I'd say every other poster except you had the thought "fair play to them" and thought no more about it."]This is what I said :
It's not appropriate that the GAA hierarchy communicate, comment or be seen in any way to meddle in either a murder investigation, it's findings or the release of any information which could result in the identification of witnesses.
Unlike you, I stand by what I say until proven otherwise.
So tell me, do you agree with my opinion that it is not appropriate ?
The floor is yours."]You dont stand by what you said or you would have elaborated on your join the dots post when asked.
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Care enough to make a banner about it and bring it to matches....!
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100 years of partition has left an awful legacy on this island. The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful. A lot of this is down to a very hostile Southern media who pushed an outright anti Northern Nationalist narrative and agenda right through the Troubles. The Free State press preferred to blame Nationalists for their own plight and turned a blind eye to what the Britain and it's Loyalist militias were doing. Don't get me wrong, Republicans inflicted a lot of hurt and pain too but the common denominator in conflict on this island is British occupation. Tom Barry gave an interview at the start of the Troubles and stated that the reason for conflict was the same in 1916 as it was in 1969. Dan Breen was interviewed in the late 1960s and was as staunch and much committed to his beliefs as an old man as he was 50 years previous. The demographics and trend is only going one way. There will be a border poll within 2 decades. I think 65%+ in the South will vote for reunification,the Norrh will be very much closer.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9701 - 02/08/2021 14:13:23
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Replying To ballydalane: "Care enough to make a banner about it and bring it to matches....!" :-D
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 02/08/2021 14:22:34
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Replying To Ulsterman: "100 years of partition has left an awful legacy on this island. The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful. A lot of this is down to a very hostile Southern media who pushed an outright anti Northern Nationalist narrative and agenda right through the Troubles. The Free State press preferred to blame Nationalists for their own plight and turned a blind eye to what the Britain and it's Loyalist militias were doing. Don't get me wrong, Republicans inflicted a lot of hurt and pain too but the common denominator in conflict on this island is British occupation. Tom Barry gave an interview at the start of the Troubles and stated that the reason for conflict was the same in 1916 as it was in 1969. Dan Breen was interviewed in the late 1960s and was as staunch and much committed to his beliefs as an old man as he was 50 years previous. The demographics and trend is only going one way. There will be a border poll within 2 decades. I think 65%+ in the South will vote for reunification,the Norrh will be very much closer." Para-Militaries and rebels in most case through history were born out of a response to oppressive rulers. Independence has had to be always fought for with the fighters going from being called terrorists to heroes. That is history everywhere. There is no doubt terrible atrocities occur that cannot or should not condoned. When the ruling governments who claim to have the high ground are guilty of crimes that is the worse type of violence as they claim always to be acting for all the people. There are many examples in Ireland,U.S. A. and around the world of the empire's guilt.
I said in an early post that got censored that you can not blame the British people for the past but to move forward you have to acknowledge it. When it occurs near home it take on a real meaning. I gave an example of a 12 year neighbour plugging in the field used as target practice by forces of the crown.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 02/08/2021 16:15:45
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It's funny I found this and it rings true.
The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country, and he replied, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover … but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again."
Why is that, he was asked? And his reply was, "Hard times create strong men, strong men create easy times. Easy times create weak men, weak men create difficult times. Many will not understand it, but you have to raise warriors, not parasites."
And add to that the historical reality that all great empires ... the Persians, the Trojans, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, and in later years, the British ... all rose and perished within 240 years. They were not conquered by external enemies; they rotted from within.
America has now passed that 240 year mark, and the rot is starting to be visible and is accelerating. We are past the Mercedes and Land Rover Years ... the camels are on the horizon.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 02/08/2021 16:22:15
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Replying To Ulsterman: "100 years of partition has left an awful legacy on this island. The sheer ignorance and lack of basic knowledge of many in the 26 counties about the North and what went on there is quite shameful. A lot of this is down to a very hostile Southern media who pushed an outright anti Northern Nationalist narrative and agenda right through the Troubles. The Free State press preferred to blame Nationalists for their own plight and turned a blind eye to what the Britain and it's Loyalist militias were doing. Don't get me wrong, Republicans inflicted a lot of hurt and pain too but the common denominator in conflict on this island is British occupation. Tom Barry gave an interview at the start of the Troubles and stated that the reason for conflict was the same in 1916 as it was in 1969. Dan Breen was interviewed in the late 1960s and was as staunch and much committed to his beliefs as an old man as he was 50 years previous. The demographics and trend is only going one way. There will be a border poll within 2 decades. I think 65%+ in the South will vote for reunification,the Norrh will be very much closer." Have you conveniently forgotten about 750 years of history, it wasn't exactly all rosy in the garden either all over Ireland so there's no need for a lecture on suffering to any Irish person North or South, thanks.
Millions of Irish people suffered but thankfully most of us can look forward and not constantly backwards.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/08/2021 16:30:14
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Have you conveniently forgotten about 750 years of history, it wasn't exactly all rosy in the garden either all over Ireland so there's no need for a lecture on suffering to any Irish person North or South, thanks.
Millions of Irish people suffered but thankfully most of us can look forward and not constantly backwards." I'm guessing you didn't experience or live through the conflict on the North. I don't need a lesson on Irish history as I've studied it widely. I also lived every minute of the Troubles. For many, the families of victims especially, the conflict isn't history it's now, it's real and they live it every day. How dare you accuse these people of looking back. You know very little about the 6 counties that's obvious and you don't seem to care anything about it. That's your choice but don't pontificate or lecture about things you know nothing about.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9701 - 02/08/2021 17:25:40
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Replying To Canuck: "It's funny I found this and it rings true.
The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country, and he replied, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover … but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again."
Why is that, he was asked? And his reply was, "Hard times create strong men, strong men create easy times. Easy times create weak men, weak men create difficult times. Many will not understand it, but you have to raise warriors, not parasites."
And add to that the historical reality that all great empires ... the Persians, the Trojans, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, and in later years, the British ... all rose and perished within 240 years. They were not conquered by external enemies; they rotted from within.
America has now passed that 240 year mark, and the rot is starting to be visible and is accelerating. We are past the Mercedes and Land Rover Years ... the camels are on the horizon." That's a great post Canuck
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 02/08/2021 18:00:07
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Have you conveniently forgotten about 750 years of history, it wasn't exactly all rosy in the garden either all over Ireland so there's no need for a lecture on suffering to any Irish person North or South, thanks.
Millions of Irish people suffered but thankfully most of us can look forward and not constantly backwards." Looking forwards is the most important thing Africangael. But applying lessons learnt from mistakes in the past can make a better future.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 02/08/2021 18:01:38
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