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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I didnt tell you to support a northern team, maybe I'll say what other posters have said in case you missed it, I couldn't care less who you decide to support. You've obviously got a complex off the back of what a few people have said to you and want to blame all 6 counties for that, whatever floats your boat. Yes I would support my neighbouring counties if they get out of Ulster, they usually need it as they aren't very successful these days, I believe you claimed to support them for the same reasons before somebody upset you at a match. But dont assume it's because I hate the other 26 counties. I've travelled to Croker and bought the colours of many a county, usually the underdog.

Which leads me to the 3 teams you've highlighted. 3 successful counties who are always in and around trophies. I root for the underdog against them, like most people on here. But I don't deny their greatness and neither do most level headed posters. I think most would agree current Dublin are the best team they've seen so I'm not sure where you get their 'no credit' theory from, while you talk about inaccuracies. I believe Kilkenny of 06 - 14 was the greatest hurling team I've seen and so do most others I would imagine. The issue of funding is a debatable one, as is provincial routes to an AI. Even posters from Dublin and Kerry have admitted so in the past. The ones calling for Dublin to be split etc boil down to one or two posters that nobody takes seriously, it's fanciful nonsense.

I still dont know how you've decided it's on a toxic level of abuse above that of real life issues that affect everybody in the North. Yes the Boris thing hits home, his brexit mess alone has made life extremely hostile up here again in case you missed that down in Galway too. If you can't see the difference in what we're discussing here perhaps its you that's the idiot."
As someone who spent a bit of time in north prior to the ceasefires, I don't think a lot of people appreciate what Irish people in north had to endure, especially if openly identified with GAA, traditional music or even just being Catholic by attending Church.

I was in Belfast and Ballycastle quite a few times when Dublin played Antrim in late 70s and 80s and have huge admiration for them, even though Dubs and Antrim tended to knock lumps out of each other!

Carrying a stick in parts of Antrim and Belfast was to invite all sorts of unwelcome attention from both loyalists and the "security forces." Even visiting teams like Dublin got hostile reception when stopped at checkpoints.

So, anyone harbouring some silly conception of "nordies" is displaying their ignorance, and it is not gone as has been evidenced even by sledging at matches played in recent years. I'm thinking of one involving Armagh in qualifiers in particular.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 30/07/2021 11:57:06    2365738

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "As someone who spent a bit of time in north prior to the ceasefires, I don't think a lot of people appreciate what Irish people in north had to endure, especially if openly identified with GAA, traditional music or even just being Catholic by attending Church.

I was in Belfast and Ballycastle quite a few times when Dublin played Antrim in late 70s and 80s and have huge admiration for them, even though Dubs and Antrim tended to knock lumps out of each other!

Carrying a stick in parts of Antrim and Belfast was to invite all sorts of unwelcome attention from both loyalists and the "security forces." Even visiting teams like Dublin got hostile reception when stopped at checkpoints.

So, anyone harbouring some silly conception of "nordies" is displaying their ignorance, and it is not gone as has been evidenced even by sledging at matches played in recent years. I'm thinking of one involving Armagh in qualifiers in particular."
Spot on BarneyGrant.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5541 - 30/07/2021 12:16:40    2365751

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "As someone who spent a bit of time in north prior to the ceasefires, I don't think a lot of people appreciate what Irish people in north had to endure, especially if openly identified with GAA, traditional music or even just being Catholic by attending Church.

I was in Belfast and Ballycastle quite a few times when Dublin played Antrim in late 70s and 80s and have huge admiration for them, even though Dubs and Antrim tended to knock lumps out of each other!

Carrying a stick in parts of Antrim and Belfast was to invite all sorts of unwelcome attention from both loyalists and the "security forces." Even visiting teams like Dublin got hostile reception when stopped at checkpoints.

So, anyone harbouring some silly conception of "nordies" is displaying their ignorance, and it is not gone as has been evidenced even by sledging at matches played in recent years. I'm thinking of one involving Armagh in qualifiers in particular."
Youve a good grasp on what one side suffered. It has to be noted that you don't mention once the Protestant or Unionist suffering. They are every bit as Irish as us and they went through a hell of a lot. The facts of the matter is IRA members were in many cases linked directly or indirectly with GAA clubs. Thats a fact you don't mention either. Id agree that ordinary GAA members were treated appallingly at times aswell.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1697 - 30/07/2021 12:25:55    2365760

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Replying To thegadfly:  "Did you just gallop into the middle of the thread on your high horse without reading any of the previous commentary?
Just for your information. I called out a section of the Tyrone following for bringing a truly ignorant banner to GAA matches that originated with Millwall soccer hooligans in England.
It's nothing got to do with them beating us this year. They were the better team. No Cavan person is sore over that. Now we'd be sore if it had been Monaghan that beat us but thankfully that hasn't happened for a long time."
I read the thread.

The devil makes work for idle hands is what I am saying to you.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 219 - 30/07/2021 12:27:15    2365761

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Those Tyrone supporters with the banner probably had forgotten all about it. Great to remind them to bring it to Croke Park tomorrow.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6763 - 30/07/2021 12:39:19    2365767

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "I'm from West Donegal and we wouldn't be too concerned what anyone thinks about us to be honest! It actually amuses me that Inishowen people would mock anyone ; ) Seriously though, I get your point that people in any walk of life can be nasty. But petty rivalries within counties to me is minor compared to one's nationality being undermined. I just feel that everyone on this island has the right to identify as and feel Irish, no matter how the politics have played out. The pain and misery northern nationalists have endured down the years versus the relatively peaceful lives of southern nationalists is obvious, so when people from the 26 sneer at people in the 6 for being victims of partition, I find it odious."
Suffering in Ireland didn't just start when the troubles in the North began, millions of people on the whole island of Ireland suffered for centuries but I understand you are talking about recent history but it's also important not to pick and choose to suit a narrative by comparing "relatively peaceful lives of southern nationalists" to Northern nationalists, otherwise we can also say that the "Northern nationalists" had relatively good lives compared to children who were starved to death due to famine in Ethiopia, so it's a pointless exercise.

Is the woman who is sleeping in a car in Dublin with her children today through no fault of her own suffering more than a lad being called a fenian in the North because he is a member of a GAA club, I think any reasonable person would say she is, so we must be very careful of not abusing the word "suffering".

The GAA is built on tribalism, sledging is common among players and even more among supporters, all you have to do is read this forum to see that, so when tribalism meets victim mentality there can only be one outcome.

Where is the evidence that any significant amount of people "from the 26 sneer at people in the 6 for being victims of partition" outside of trolling comments which people from every county are a victim of ?

I never heard anyone refer to a team from the North as being British and believed that they in any way felt that to be true so I think there is some victim mentality at play here.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 30/07/2021 12:50:04    2365773

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I didnt tell you to support a northern team, maybe I'll say what other posters have said in case you missed it, I couldn't care less who you decide to support. You've obviously got a complex off the back of what a few people have said to you and want to blame all 6 counties for that, whatever floats your boat. Yes I would support my neighbouring counties if they get out of Ulster, they usually need it as they aren't very successful these days, I believe you claimed to support them for the same reasons before somebody upset you at a match. But dont assume it's because I hate the other 26 counties. I've travelled to Croker and bought the colours of many a county, usually the underdog.

Which leads me to the 3 teams you've highlighted. 3 successful counties who are always in and around trophies. I root for the underdog against them, like most people on here. But I don't deny their greatness and neither do most level headed posters. I think most would agree current Dublin are the best team they've seen so I'm not sure where you get their 'no credit' theory from, while you talk about inaccuracies. I believe Kilkenny of 06 - 14 was the greatest hurling team I've seen and so do most others I would imagine. The issue of funding is a debatable one, as is provincial routes to an AI. Even posters from Dublin and Kerry have admitted so in the past. The ones calling for Dublin to be split etc boil down to one or two posters that nobody takes seriously, it's fanciful nonsense.

I still dont know how you've decided it's on a toxic level of abuse above that of real life issues that affect everybody in the North. Yes the Boris thing hits home, his brexit mess alone has made life extremely hostile up here again in case you missed that down in Galway too. If you can't see the difference in what we're discussing here perhaps its you that's the idiot."
What's the point in even discussing things with you when you keep putting words in my mouth and refusing to acknowledge things you said yourself?

Ill keep it simple, you implied in your previous post that Dublins all Ireland victories are attributed to "the cream rising to the top",as if they get no begrudgery at all,, that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard anyone say on here.
If an ulster team received even half the hate that Dublin, kerry, or kilkenny get from gaa fans I dread to think how indignant you'd be.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1263 - 30/07/2021 12:58:20    2365778

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Suffering in Ireland didn't just start when the troubles in the North began, millions of people on the whole island of Ireland suffered for centuries but I understand you are talking about recent history but it's also important not to pick and choose to suit a narrative by comparing "relatively peaceful lives of southern nationalists" to Northern nationalists, otherwise we can also say that the "Northern nationalists" had relatively good lives compared to children who were starved to death due to famine in Ethiopia, so it's a pointless exercise.

Is the woman who is sleeping in a car in Dublin with her children today through no fault of her own suffering more than a lad being called a fenian in the North because he is a member of a GAA club, I think any reasonable person would say she is, so we must be very careful of not abusing the word "suffering".

The GAA is built on tribalism, sledging is common among players and even more among supporters, all you have to do is read this forum to see that, so when tribalism meets victim mentality there can only be one outcome.

Where is the evidence that any significant amount of people "from the 26 sneer at people in the 6 for being victims of partition" outside of trolling comments which people from every county are a victim of ?

I never heard anyone refer to a team from the North as being British and believed that they in any way felt that to be true so I think there is some victim mentality at play here."
It wasn't the lad being called names that was the problem, it was lads being shot going to matches and the likes of that. Fair play to the Dublin supporters who every time they're in Omagh ay flowers where Aidan Mc Anespie was gunned down going to play football . They lay their flowers and not a word about it. The generation nowadays don't know their living compared to what went on.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 30/07/2021 13:04:21    2365779

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Suffering in Ireland didn't just start when the troubles in the North began, millions of people on the whole island of Ireland suffered for centuries but I understand you are talking about recent history but it's also important not to pick and choose to suit a narrative by comparing "relatively peaceful lives of southern nationalists" to Northern nationalists, otherwise we can also say that the "Northern nationalists" had relatively good lives compared to children who were starved to death due to famine in Ethiopia, so it's a pointless exercise.

Is the woman who is sleeping in a car in Dublin with her children today through no fault of her own suffering more than a lad being called a fenian in the North because he is a member of a GAA club, I think any reasonable person would say she is, so we must be very careful of not abusing the word "suffering".

The GAA is built on tribalism, sledging is common among players and even more among supporters, all you have to do is read this forum to see that, so when tribalism meets victim mentality there can only be one outcome.

Where is the evidence that any significant amount of people "from the 26 sneer at people in the 6 for being victims of partition" outside of trolling comments which people from every county are a victim of ?

I never heard anyone refer to a team from the North as being British and believed that they in any way felt that to be true so I think there is some victim mentality at play here."
Another good post from you. You're making a habit of this lately

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1263 - 30/07/2021 13:04:43    2365780

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Suffering in Ireland didn't just start when the troubles in the North began, millions of people on the whole island of Ireland suffered for centuries but I understand you are talking about recent history but it's also important not to pick and choose to suit a narrative by comparing "relatively peaceful lives of southern nationalists" to Northern nationalists, otherwise we can also say that the "Northern nationalists" had relatively good lives compared to children who were starved to death due to famine in Ethiopia, so it's a pointless exercise.

Is the woman who is sleeping in a car in Dublin with her children today through no fault of her own suffering more than a lad being called a fenian in the North because he is a member of a GAA club, I think any reasonable person would say she is, so we must be very careful of not abusing the word "suffering".

The GAA is built on tribalism, sledging is common among players and even more among supporters, all you have to do is read this forum to see that, so when tribalism meets victim mentality there can only be one outcome.

Where is the evidence that any significant amount of people "from the 26 sneer at people in the 6 for being victims of partition" outside of trolling comments which people from every county are a victim of ?

I never heard anyone refer to a team from the North as being British and believed that they in any way felt that to be true so I think there is some victim mentality at play here."
Another good post from you. You're making a habit of this lately"
I'm like Tyrone, "People Don't Like Me But I Don't Care".

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AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 30/07/2021 13:20:09    2365785

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Replying To Galway9801:  "What's the point in even discussing things with you when you keep putting words in my mouth and refusing to acknowledge things you said yourself?

Ill keep it simple, you implied in your previous post that Dublins all Ireland victories are attributed to "the cream rising to the top",as if they get no begrudgery at all,, that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard anyone say on here.
If an ulster team received even half the hate that Dublin, kerry, or kilkenny get from gaa fans I dread to think how indignant you'd be."
Putting what words in your mouth? They're your own words I'm quoting. Although you did decide to retaliate in kind to your perceived injustice I see. That wasn't a Dublin quote it was a Spillane quote when Kerry beat Donegal using extremely defensive tactics, something he used to call 'puke football'. It was celebrated on here at the time. Nice try with the drama queen act about it though 'most ridiculous things I've read on here' maybe stop whining, eh?

"Hate" is a strong word by the way, sporting banter doesn't begin to cover it, but politics and conflict can sum it up perfectly, of course you still don't get that so I haven't really anything left to discuss with you at this stage.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2323 - 30/07/2021 13:26:46    2365787

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "As someone who spent a bit of time in north prior to the ceasefires, I don't think a lot of people appreciate what Irish people in north had to endure, especially if openly identified with GAA, traditional music or even just being Catholic by attending Church.

I was in Belfast and Ballycastle quite a few times when Dublin played Antrim in late 70s and 80s and have huge admiration for them, even though Dubs and Antrim tended to knock lumps out of each other!

Carrying a stick in parts of Antrim and Belfast was to invite all sorts of unwelcome attention from both loyalists and the "security forces." Even visiting teams like Dublin got hostile reception when stopped at checkpoints.

So, anyone harbouring some silly conception of "nordies" is displaying their ignorance, and it is not gone as has been evidenced even by sledging at matches played in recent years. I'm thinking of one involving Armagh in qualifiers in particular."
Ah your a brave man Barney, a dark period the 70s and 80s. I was an 80s kid so seen first hand a lot of the incidents your talking about. As a kid I used to feel guilty for playing hurling near an interface as it used to set the locals on the other side off. I dont even blame the kids though. Their so called leaders loved to tell them ghost stories about us devil's for playing our own sport. Id love to see a good healthy rivaly between Dublin and Antrim, especially now with the new stadium getting the green light. Not sure if it will ever happen but as you say there was history there even if its not too fresh in the memory for most.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2323 - 30/07/2021 13:34:39    2365790

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Replying To avonali:  "Gadfly, here are two issues I think.
Firstly there is the assumption that Tyrone fans are aping English football fans.
Secondly, your suggestion that after decades of living in a state where the majority considered themselves British that the young nationalists had somehow absorbed Britishness by osmosis.
The second issue is the one that is causing real offence. As you know, Nationalists in the North suffered long and hard in order to retain and protect their cultural identity. GAA fans and players suffered real harrasment. from crown forces over the decades. Everybody knows the about the shenanigans the British got up to at Crossmaglen etc. Bearing all that in mind I think your remark about young people absorbing Britishness is insensitive at best and downright insulting to those people.
I don't think it's just simply a matter of wanting to be like the English. Millwall was, as you point out, where the slogan originated; MIllwall 's fans, who were predominantly working class, were reviled by the largely middle class London press and the BBC. Perhaps the slogan resonated with the Tyrone lads who get seriously bad press down in the South-it wasn't just simply them aping British fans to be like them. . I also think you have to allow for the fact that the banner is largely tongue in cheek.
Your argument seems to be that our sports ought not be contaminated by such British influences but you are assuming that GAA football. exists in a vacuum. Of course, the GAA played a huge part in the project of de-Anglicising Ireland. But the founders of the GAA studied how the British had codified their sports and borrowed elements from that. Even recently we have adopted the use of cards as a disciplinary measure. The history of Gaelic football is interwoven with that. of other sports; It is not as pure a cultural phenomenon as you might like to think."
You've made two points there avonali and you've got 5 likes.
My response is very simple.

On the first point you made- Well it's just untrue. Nowhere in the original post did I assume that the minority of Tyrone followers who insist on bringing the banner are "apeing" English soccer hooligans. Nowhere.

The second point- you allege that I suggested that young nationalists have absorbed Britishness by osmosis.
This is another untruth.
Read the post again. To quote" would it be some sort of britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties?"

That's a question I posed. A question. I suggested nothing, but other posters have seen the question and jumped straight in head first accusing me of all kinds.

If the original post was read properly it could be responded to properly.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 30/07/2021 13:34:56    2365791

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There's a heavy layer of victim culture in Republicans. It's been fostered and fed for many years by governments on both sides of the Irish sea. It has permeated down through Northern Irish Republicanism. Goes something like 'we are the most oppressed people in these Islands period'. Tends to stop there, no debate is welcomed.
The facts that Irish Republicans killed more people throughout the troubles than anyone else is a fairly terrible statistic yet its blithely brushed off. The problem with interactions between Southern and Northern GAA members is for the first time their world view is challenged by us saying 'GIVE over your nonsense' . Iv played Northern Teams and if the sledging starts then yeah I'd often tell them they are British. So what..all part of it. Let them boil up all they want. They call us Free Staters.. God I take that as a great compliment. Our big mistake down south is taking too much notice of Northerners.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1697 - 30/07/2021 13:44:59    2365795

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Replying To Saynothing:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Suffering in Ireland didn't just start when the troubles in the North began, millions of people on the whole island of Ireland suffered for centuries but I understand you are talking about recent history but it's also important not to pick and choose to suit a narrative by comparing "relatively peaceful lives of southern nationalists" to Northern nationalists, otherwise we can also say that the "Northern nationalists" had relatively good lives compared to children who were starved to death due to famine in Ethiopia, so it's a pointless exercise.

Is the woman who is sleeping in a car in Dublin with her children today through no fault of her own suffering more than a lad being called a fenian in the North because he is a member of a GAA club, I think any reasonable person would say she is, so we must be very careful of not abusing the word "suffering".

The GAA is built on tribalism, sledging is common among players and even more among supporters, all you have to do is read this forum to see that, so when tribalism meets victim mentality there can only be one outcome.

Where is the evidence that any significant amount of people "from the 26 sneer at people in the 6 for being victims of partition" outside of trolling comments which people from every county are a victim of ?

I never heard anyone refer to a team from the North as being British and believed that they in any way felt that to be true so I think there is some victim mentality at play here."
It wasn't the lad being called names that was the problem, it was lads being shot going to matches and the likes of that. Fair play to the Dublin supporters who every time they're in Omagh ay flowers where Aidan Mc Anespie was gunned down going to play football . They lay their flowers and not a word about it. The generation nowadays don't know their living compared to what went on."
Apart from the Dublin supporter who tried to climb a flagpole and burn a Tyrone flag you mean.

Without being dismissive but there's a lot of bad people who go to mass every week you know.

But sure we all know that about the generation now, and nobody denies that, but there is no competition going on here regarding who suffered most. If you compare the famine in Ireland or the slaughters by Cromwell to the troubles, there will always be a better or worse.

But there is a tendency in Ireland to prolong suffering, suffering in ones own head and that's exactly what victim mentality is.

Look at the slaughter that went on in Europe during WW2 as an example, people must move on and stop passing down hatred from generation to generation, otherwise Ireland will never move on even when it is eventually reunified.

Europe would constantly be at war if people weren't mature enough to move on as well.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 30/07/2021 13:45:58    2365796

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Suffering in Ireland didn't just start when the troubles in the North began, millions of people on the whole island of Ireland suffered for centuries but I understand you are talking about recent history but it's also important not to pick and choose to suit a narrative by comparing "relatively peaceful lives of southern nationalists" to Northern nationalists, otherwise we can also say that the "Northern nationalists" had relatively good lives compared to children who were starved to death due to famine in Ethiopia, so it's a pointless exercise.

Is the woman who is sleeping in a car in Dublin with her children today through no fault of her own suffering more than a lad being called a fenian in the North because he is a member of a GAA club, I think any reasonable person would say she is, so we must be very careful of not abusing the word "suffering".

The GAA is built on tribalism, sledging is common among players and even more among supporters, all you have to do is read this forum to see that, so when tribalism meets victim mentality there can only be one outcome.

Where is the evidence that any significant amount of people "from the 26 sneer at people in the 6 for being victims of partition" outside of trolling comments which people from every county are a victim of ?

I never heard anyone refer to a team from the North as being British and believed that they in any way felt that to be true so I think there is some victim mentality at play here."
Okay then, we could start talking about victims of suffering across the globe I suppose and where does that conversation end!? That's a strange tact to take!

I'm not picking and choosing any narrative… I was specifically talking about the item being discussed which was digs at peoples' national identity. I said that I find it odious how Irish people in the 6 counties have had their nationality undermined at times by some people in the 26 counties in a sneering manner. As if partition was something to laugh at them about and all that went with that.

Also, I think members of GAA clubs during the troubles experienced much worse than simply being called 'fenians.' That's downplaying the intimidation and harassment many went through. There were no Aidan McAnespies in the 26 counties during those years anyway.

If you have never heard anyone refer to a team or person from the north in GAA circles as British, well I have I can assure you. I have personally experienced it and I'm from Donegal, I was called British and not in jest, laughable to me as I've had that peaceful upbringing denied to so many in my neighbouring counties so it didn't bother me. But for someone from Strabane or Derry or Enniskillen, it's hateful stuff. I've heard plenty of discussions about nordies and the Queen, Brits etc and at times in GAA conversations. You've never heard that stuff, good for you.

It's funny how northern nationalists who are mocked by (some) southern nationalists are engaging in a 'victim mentality.' Would you use that term to describe the experiences of other groups?

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1140 - 30/07/2021 13:55:31    2365800

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Some of the last few responses illustrate exactly what many northern people perceive to be attitude among a lot of people, including GAA people who ought to know better.

GAA used to stand for something beyond playing the games. From a time when my antecedents in Dublin and Tipp were subject to the same harassment for playing and attending them as Gaels in 6 counties.


The Tans and Auxies didn't shoot up Lansdowne Road or Dalymount.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 30/07/2021 13:56:56    2365802

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Replying To bloodyban:  "There's a heavy layer of victim culture in Republicans. It's been fostered and fed for many years by governments on both sides of the Irish sea. It has permeated down through Northern Irish Republicanism. Goes something like 'we are the most oppressed people in these Islands period'. Tends to stop there, no debate is welcomed.
The facts that Irish Republicans killed more people throughout the troubles than anyone else is a fairly terrible statistic yet its blithely brushed off. The problem with interactions between Southern and Northern GAA members is for the first time their world view is challenged by us saying 'GIVE over your nonsense' . Iv played Northern Teams and if the sledging starts then yeah I'd often tell them they are British. So what..all part of it. Let them boil up all they want. They call us Free Staters.. God I take that as a great compliment. Our big mistake down south is taking too much notice of Northerners."
Ya you can look at history history through different lenses and horrible stats. You could use stats to show the people who govern North Ireland invented genicide with many examples around the world.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2207 - 30/07/2021 14:00:22    2365805

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Replying To bloodyban:  "There's a heavy layer of victim culture in Republicans. It's been fostered and fed for many years by governments on both sides of the Irish sea. It has permeated down through Northern Irish Republicanism. Goes something like 'we are the most oppressed people in these Islands period'. Tends to stop there, no debate is welcomed.
The facts that Irish Republicans killed more people throughout the troubles than anyone else is a fairly terrible statistic yet its blithely brushed off. The problem with interactions between Southern and Northern GAA members is for the first time their world view is challenged by us saying 'GIVE over your nonsense' . Iv played Northern Teams and if the sledging starts then yeah I'd often tell them they are British. So what..all part of it. Let them boil up all they want. They call us Free Staters.. God I take that as a great compliment. Our big mistake down south is taking too much notice of Northerners."
You rarely debate anything about the troubles. You usually just drop a few half truths and move on. Loyalist and British forces killed by far and away the most innocent civilians throughout the troubles. No doubt you'll "brush that off" too. If "give over yer nonsense" is the best challenge you can come up with then I can see why you move on swiftly. Maybe take your last sentence as good advice for yourself on here.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2323 - 30/07/2021 14:07:22    2365807

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Fair play to the Dublin supporters who every time they're in Omagh ay flowers where Aidan Mc Anespie was gunned down going to play football .

I hope they also lay flowers for Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe at the Lordship Credit Union

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 30/07/2021 14:08:48    2365808

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