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I think it's a very honest banner, got to appreciate people being candid.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1028 - 29/07/2021 09:00:56    2365363

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "The banner is correct. I watched the 2005 final on eir last night and I dunno how you could like Tyrone after it. A disgusting style of football. Pretty effective all the same. Thankfully they seem to be moving away from that pulling dragging diving kicking cynicism, but it'll take a while for people to forget what they were about for nearly 20 years"
Hope you weren't watching the Meath team of the late 80 s and early 90s.

Not exactly free flowing football either.

Wasn't it the physical beating that Meath gave Tyrone during that time that toughened Tyrone up.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1367 - 29/07/2021 09:25:58    2365370

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Replying To the_walls:  ""I mean, would it be some sort of Britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties"

Absolutely ridiculous and low attack on your fellow Irish and Ulster men and women. Imagine Cavan fans had some sort of a banner that I took exception to wondered aloud if it was because of Cavan's proximity to the border and by extension proximity to "British" influence. It would be equally as daft. You are flat out questioning the Irishness of Tyrone folk and folk from the rest of the 6, that they are in some way adopting British culture that the rest of us aren't. It's low, particularly coming from a GAA fan."
I'm in no way questioning the "irishness" of anyone in the six counties.
In fact I would say they are more irish than freestaters and blueshirts in the Republic.
I'm a republican myself so your post is way off the mark.
What I'm getting at is, britishness creeping into the terraces at GAA games.
Your post is complete rubbish with all due respect.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 262 - 29/07/2021 09:32:59    2365373

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "The banner is correct. I watched the 2005 final on eir last night and I dunno how you could like Tyrone after it. A disgusting style of football. Pretty effective all the same. Thankfully they seem to be moving away from that pulling dragging diving kicking cynicism, but it'll take a while for people to forget what they were about for nearly 20 years"
You watched probably the best AI football final in recent memory between 2 superb teams and that's what you took from it? Perhaps you'd prefer the soccer, there's very little physicality left in that sport if that's what you're looking for.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2278 - 29/07/2021 09:47:24    2365381

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "The banner is correct. I watched the 2005 final on eir last night and I dunno how you could like Tyrone after it. A disgusting style of football. Pretty effective all the same. Thankfully they seem to be moving away from that pulling dragging diving kicking cynicism, but it'll take a while for people to forget what they were about for nearly 20 years"
Oh come on. We had some hard battles with Kerry, around that time and please do not tell that they could not be as cynical as any of them. The antics of Galvin alone was a case in point.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3320 - 29/07/2021 09:49:02    2365383

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Replying To thegadfly:  "I really hope Tyrone followers don't embarrass themselves by bringing this banner to the Ulster final at the weekend.
It's hard to fathom the mentality behind it.
I believe Millwall soccer hooligans were the first one's to use it.
I can only surmise that the majority of Tyrone men and women like myself cringe when they see it at the matches.
I mean, would it be some sort of Britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties. If that's the case it's unfortunate. I hope it doesn't continue. As irish people we should be trying to distance ourselves from that type of attitude.
It doesn't belong at GAA games. Let the hooligans across the water use slogans like that but don't let it into our games and our culture. There's no place for it here."
the problem in ways is the attitude of so called 26 counties (free state if you will) supporters often labelling northern teams as Brittish, which their players find often very offensive, and they working against the odds, particulary in the past, to keep their game alive (and often their lives for playing it) Some 26 county supporters showed their education with such anti Northern team dislike over the years...if anything Northern teams are more Irish than the ones down here in 26 I often think....Some supporters down here are like alot of thd population very blinkered to what went on in NI, and that is a coversation for another day and not for on here, but the history of some of our county nick names might be a starting place for some of those particular fans down here who always seem to ready for a dig at the northern teams when they come down to play here...anyway, no point really disccussing, these people have their minds made up already....goof post if I might say...the issue though is reversed now as the Tyrone supporters think they will never change some of our supporters and they are probably right...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 873 - 29/07/2021 09:58:38    2365387

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Replying To thegadfly:  "I'm in no way questioning the "irishness" of anyone in the six counties.
In fact I would say they are more irish than freestaters and blueshirts in the Republic.
I'm a republican myself so your post is way off the mark.
What I'm getting at is, britishness creeping into the terraces at GAA games.
Your post is complete rubbish with all due respect."
"I mean, would it be some sort of Britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties".

You're literally asking the question if younger folk in the 6 are having "Britishness" rub off on them (like it's a disease you can catch). Perhaps you phrased it poorly but I don't see how anybody can read that sentence and not come to the conclusion that you feel young people in the 6 are more and more influenced by British culture than Irish culture, at least to a degree, as opposed to those of us in the 26.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 493 - 29/07/2021 10:16:37    2365393

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Replying To carlovia:  "Hope you weren't watching the Meath team of the late 80 s and early 90s.

Not exactly free flowing football either.

Wasn't it the physical beating that Meath gave Tyrone during that time that toughened Tyrone up."
I still recall as a neutral 25yrs on a prominent Meath defender leaning on Brian Dooher's head on the ground in order to regain his own balance. He then proceeded to walk over the helpless Dooher's head being fully aware of his position after the initial contact. Thankfully the bloody and bandaged Dooher recovered to captain his county and lift Sam twice despite a prominent Meath pundit declaring very publicly that no no team he was a member of could ever win an All Ireland. Always had a soft spot for the Royals and mentioning no names but thought I'd share this to remind us of not 'throwing stones from glasshouses'.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 412 - 29/07/2021 10:24:46    2365395

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "The banner is correct. I watched the 2005 final on eir last night and I dunno how you could like Tyrone after it. A disgusting style of football. Pretty effective all the same. Thankfully they seem to be moving away from that pulling dragging diving kicking cynicism, but it'll take a while for people to forget what they were about for nearly 20 years"
You don't know much about football. 05,08 finals against Kerry are some of the best ever. You call yourself a Gael. Think lemon would be more appropriate with the taste in your mouth.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1021 - 29/07/2021 10:27:33    2365396

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "The banner is correct. I watched the 2005 final on eir last night and I dunno how you could like Tyrone after it. A disgusting style of football. Pretty effective all the same. Thankfully they seem to be moving away from that pulling dragging diving kicking cynicism, but it'll take a while for people to forget what they were about for nearly 20 years"
I was lucky enough to attend the 2005 final and it was a classic. Watched it again recently and I was quite surprised at the levels of cynicism in it. Yes, Kerry really dished it out that day.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 865 - 29/07/2021 10:29:29    2365397

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Replying To the_walls:  ""I mean, would it be some sort of Britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties"

Absolutely ridiculous and low attack on your fellow Irish and Ulster men and women. Imagine Cavan fans had some sort of a banner that I took exception to wondered aloud if it was because of Cavan's proximity to the border and by extension proximity to "British" influence. It would be equally as daft. You are flat out questioning the Irishness of Tyrone folk and folk from the rest of the 6, that they are in some way adopting British culture that the rest of us aren't. It's low, particularly coming from a GAA fan."
Dont bite lads

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 86 - 29/07/2021 10:58:34    2365409

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "I was lucky enough to attend the 2005 final and it was a classic. Watched it again recently and I was quite surprised at the levels of cynicism in it. Yes, Kerry really dished it out that day."
All Great teams are able to dish it out and have that bit of cynicism in them. They probably wouldn't win as much without it. The great Kilkenny teams were incredibly skillful but if you watch back they also were very tough hard physical teams who often played on the edge of the rules. Same with Kerry teams. Could easily give it out as much as they got it

Meath10 (Meath) - Posts: 145 - 29/07/2021 11:01:54    2365413

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Replying To the_walls:  ""I mean, would it be some sort of Britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties".

You're literally asking the question if younger folk in the 6 are having "Britishness" rub off on them (like it's a disease you can catch). Perhaps you phrased it poorly but I don't see how anybody can read that sentence and not come to the conclusion that you feel young people in the 6 are more and more influenced by British culture than Irish culture, at least to a degree, as opposed to those of us in the 26."
I think you will find that the Cavan poster is a prime example of a "keyboard warrior".I am pretty sure he doesn't believe a word of what he posted.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 176 - 29/07/2021 11:16:31    2365419

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Replying To thegadfly:  "I really hope Tyrone followers don't embarrass themselves by bringing this banner to the Ulster final at the weekend.
It's hard to fathom the mentality behind it.
I believe Millwall soccer hooligans were the first one's to use it.
I can only surmise that the majority of Tyrone men and women like myself cringe when they see it at the matches.
I mean, would it be some sort of Britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties. If that's the case it's unfortunate. I hope it doesn't continue. As irish people we should be trying to distance ourselves from that type of attitude.
It doesn't belong at GAA games. Let the hooligans across the water use slogans like that but don't let it into our games and our culture. There's no place for it here."
Catch yourself on.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1021 - 29/07/2021 12:11:34    2365439

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Replying To thegadfly:  "I really hope Tyrone followers don't embarrass themselves by bringing this banner to the Ulster final at the weekend.
It's hard to fathom the mentality behind it.
I believe Millwall soccer hooligans were the first one's to use it.
I can only surmise that the majority of Tyrone men and women like myself cringe when they see it at the matches.
I mean, would it be some sort of Britishness rubbing off on the younger folk because of the occupation of the six counties. If that's the case it's unfortunate. I hope it doesn't continue. As irish people we should be trying to distance ourselves from that type of attitude.
It doesn't belong at GAA games. Let the hooligans across the water use slogans like that but don't let it into our games and our culture. There's no place for it here."
What do so many people do in Cavan and in every other part of Ireland do , they speak English, they think in English, they drive on the left, they drink lots of tea, they have their fry up, they like going to the pub for a "pint", they eat similar food to the British, they watch English soap operas, they watch English football, they dress like the English, they shop in places like Tesco and M&S, they watch British TV and follow British bands, they wear tops from clubs all over England and travel in droves to see the clubs play, they have supporters clubs even for clubs like Chelsea, they like horse racing and gambling, I could go on and on and on.

Even having the craic is an English thing and the word itself is derived from the middle English word "crak".

And you sound surprised that after well over 800 years that "some sort of Britishness is rubbing off", by people from a County where the Queen is still head of state and sterling is still the currency !

What do you expect, that we would all be speaking Italian and eating pasta !

Like it or not, I'd say even looking at the Republic, it would be hard to find any other independent nation in the world where the culture is so similar to the British, the learned Greengrass would be more qualified to answer that though.

On the subject of banners, I think a lot of it is to do with the people holding the banners wanting their 5 seconds of fame on TV, ironically on that most British of institutions, the BBC !

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 29/07/2021 12:20:43    2365444

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Replying To Meath10:  "All Great teams are able to dish it out and have that bit of cynicism in them. They probably wouldn't win as much without it. The great Kilkenny teams were incredibly skillful but if you watch back they also were very tough hard physical teams who often played on the edge of the rules. Same with Kerry teams. Could easily give it out as much as they got it"
Exactly. All great teams push the boundaries and play on the edge. I've no problem at all with that. The problem I see is the media here seem to brand Tyrone as cynical and every other great team a different way as if they didn't practice the dark arts too. It's lazy, bitter, childish nonsense. Anyone who watches the games and can think clearly for themselves can see this.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2278 - 29/07/2021 12:27:17    2365445

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "the problem in ways is the attitude of so called 26 counties (free state if you will) supporters often labelling northern teams as Brittish, which their players find often very offensive, and they working against the odds, particulary in the past, to keep their game alive (and often their lives for playing it) Some 26 county supporters showed their education with such anti Northern team dislike over the years...if anything Northern teams are more Irish than the ones down here in 26 I often think....Some supporters down here are like alot of thd population very blinkered to what went on in NI, and that is a coversation for another day and not for on here, but the history of some of our county nick names might be a starting place for some of those particular fans down here who always seem to ready for a dig at the northern teams when they come down to play here...anyway, no point really disccussing, these people have their minds made up already....goof post if I might say...the issue though is reversed now as the Tyrone supporters think they will never change some of our supporters and they are probably right..."
That works both ways though, until armagh won the all Ireland in 02 and tyrone the following year I had never appreciated the level of prejudice and bitter anti Southern sentiment that came from the ulster teams, particularly the 6. Sometimes I felt as if simply being from one of the 26 counties was enough to have me automatically labelled as some sort of jealous little ignoramus who should unconditionally and unquestioningly support any ulster team, regardless of their style of play or off the ball antics.
I had been following the gah for a few years before that and had always wanted ulster teams to win as the province struggled at the time but you could only listen to so many anti Southern jibes, usually to do with our perceived lack of manliness and our softness, before you'd get a bit tired of it, especially considering that some of the diving and feigning injury from that tyrone team was atrocious.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 29/07/2021 12:35:08    2365449

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "I was lucky enough to attend the 2005 final and it was a classic. Watched it again recently and I was quite surprised at the levels of cynicism in it. Yes, Kerry really dished it out that day."
The Gooch was especially bad for it, well, apart from the times when he was knocked unconscious and blinded of course.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 29/07/2021 12:43:14    2365455

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Catch yourself on."
You've said that already above. If you're not going to contribute constructively please refrain from repeating yourself with one line comments which don't add anything to the thread.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 262 - 29/07/2021 12:45:02    2365456

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "I think you will find that the Cavan poster is a prime example of a "keyboard warrior".I am pretty sure he doesn't believe a word of what he posted."
I believe banners taken directly from English soccer hooligans have no place on the terraces at GAA matches. That's what I believe.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 262 - 29/07/2021 12:46:17    2365459

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