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Replying To Joxer:  "Firstly Mayo and Galway have won 9 of the last 11 Connaught titles. That's a 2 horse raise competition in anyone's book albeit a little more competitive than Leinster and Munster. If you watched the game yesterday you would have seen mass defending and breaking. In fact look at the last 90 seconds of the game and you'll see Tyrone playing around with the ball and 14 Monaghan men in their own half. Kerry does it, Galway does it, Dublin does it. Mayo are one of the few teams who generally go man to man."
Out of them 9 Galway won 2, the same as Roscommon have won in them 11 years, how can you discount Roscommon when they have won the same as Galway? If you went back another year to 2010 then Roscommon have 3 versus Galways 2. Your comment doesn't make sense.

Gaa_fan1234 (Roscommon) - Posts: 16 - 01/08/2021 20:53:20    2366606

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Replying To jimbodub:  "On Dublin go..

The bonus territory continues

Severe first world problem syndrome for a few of my fellow Dubs ;)

#5 is in the bag and #6 is unheralded

We are playing against teams happy to be 10pts down and still sit deep with 14 behind the ball..

What do you want Du6lin to do exactly?

I hope they continue to highlight how useless the blanket is now, Previous swash buckling go nowhere Dublin sides couldn't beat it, in fact got humiliated and bullied. Very short memories..

Du6s are operating at a level never achieved in the game, they are in a completely unique position for a number of reasons.

The one that really stands out a mile is..

Unfortunately we have teams competing against Du6lin that don't want to give themselves any chance of winning whatsover.. that's the problem folks.

Imagine playing the game against teams with little to no real intention of trying to win the game..

Happy to be have limited offensive options and blanket defend a 10pt deficit.. it's baffling.

What would you do in such a position if you played on a side that almost continually faced such a scenario..

Its a credit to Du6lin that they are still so hungry."
Jimbo, there is some truth in what you say but,
Sport is a spectacle and as such it needs to have some element of excitement, some tension, some intensity to absorb us.
If football is a game of two halves then today's match was , like Sam Beckett's "Waiting for Godot", a play in which nothing happens twice.
Or at least some moments of excellence. Where were the creativity, the incisive moves and pacey running off the shoulder?? Where was the deft foot passing and high fielding?? Today was awful-35 euro for a ticket to watch that muck?
I love the Dubs and I believe their team has been very creative in dealing with the blanket, but this is different now. You'd want to be blind to not see that there is a serious issue emerging in Gaelic football and I don't mean the dominance of the Dubs. A lot of IC Gaelic matches are utterly boring events in which nothing really exciting happens!

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 01/08/2021 21:00:33    2366608

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Dublin kicked 20 points with 17 scores coming from play against a team that was defensively really well set up. They just picked up another Leinster trophy and are comfortably through to another All Ireland semifinal. Now that's not a bad days work.

Kingdomson (Kerry) - Posts: 244 - 01/08/2021 21:06:11    2366611

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "It is. It is unkindly provided to us by Kildare."
It takes two to tango. How Dublin played against an average blanket Kildare team today was indeed painful to watch, I gave up after 15 minutes. Give me the Dublin hurlers any day!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1372 - 01/08/2021 21:11:50    2366615

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Replying To avonali:  "
Replying To jimbodub:  "On Dublin go..

The bonus territory continues

Severe first world problem syndrome for a few of my fellow Dubs ;)

#5 is in the bag and #6 is unheralded

We are playing against teams happy to be 10pts down and still sit deep with 14 behind the ball..

What do you want Du6lin to do exactly?

I hope they continue to highlight how useless the blanket is now, Previous swash buckling go nowhere Dublin sides couldn't beat it, in fact got humiliated and bullied. Very short memories..

Du6s are operating at a level never achieved in the game, they are in a completely unique position for a number of reasons.

The one that really stands out a mile is..

Unfortunately we have teams competing against Du6lin that don't want to give themselves any chance of winning whatsover.. that's the problem folks.

Imagine playing the game against teams with little to no real intention of trying to win the game..

Happy to be have limited offensive options and blanket defend a 10pt deficit.. it's baffling.

What would you do in such a position if you played on a side that almost continually faced such a scenario..

Its a credit to Du6lin that they are still so hungry."
Jimbo, there is some truth in what you say but,
Sport is a spectacle and as such it needs to have some element of excitement, some tension, some intensity to absorb us.
If football is a game of two halves then today's match was , like Sam Beckett's "Waiting for Godot", a play in which nothing happens twice.
Or at least some moments of excellence. Where were the creativity, the incisive moves and pacey running off the shoulder?? Where was the deft foot passing and high fielding?? Today was awful-35 euro for a ticket to watch that muck?
I love the Dubs and I believe their team has been very creative in dealing with the blanket, but this is different now. You'd want to be blind to not see that there is a serious issue emerging in Gaelic football and I don't mean the dominance of the Dubs. A lot of IC Gaelic matches are utterly boring events in which nothing really exciting happens!"
Nothing to do with Du6lin

Du6lin reacted to a situation that already existed

Apparently that was destroying the game at the time..

Dubs countered it, rendering it useless.

Teams still setup like that against Dublin..

Not sure what you want Dublin to do...

Continually over commit and run into swarm tackles like in the 00's?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 01/08/2021 21:11:57    2366616

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Replying To Sssthe:  "Firstly roscommon have won 2 of the last 11 titles galway have also won 2 of the last 11 titles. That's a 3 horse race in anyone's book all be it with mayo being stronger than the other 2.

The ulster final was the exception not the rule in ulster. Both ulster semi finals ended with massive scores and were offensive games.

Kerry have scored over 30 points in half their games(league+championship) this year and over 20 in every game. It is absolutely ludicrous to call them defensive."
Mayo 48 Connaught titles, Galway 46. Next closest is Roscommon with half of what Mayo have. This doesn't even take into account the number of times that Mayo and Galway were runners-up. If this isn't a two horse competition then I don't know what is. I don't know why you're comparing Kerry's scoring record with their defensive tactics. What has their defence to do with their scoring ability? Dublin deploy a blanket and scored 20 points today. Even Spillane has spoken about their defensive style. It's part and parcel of the game these days.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4497 - 01/08/2021 21:31:47    2366627

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Shows how far Dublin are ahead of the rest when they can play so poorly and still score 20 points and win by 8, only a point less than they beat Kildare by in the 2017 Leinster final.

God help Mayo and Kerry or Tyrone, when Dublin turn the tap on fully."
They dont need a tap, they need a poeer pump. Dublin camp is not well, you will see when they meet a team with not the hunger but the ability.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4772 - 01/08/2021 21:42:23    2366639

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Replying To Kingdomson:  "Dublin kicked 20 points with 17 scores coming from play against a team that was defensively really well set up. They just picked up another Leinster trophy and are comfortably through to another All Ireland semifinal. Now that's not a bad days work."
Go away with your cute Kerry hoorism , Dublin were very poor

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 01/08/2021 21:46:55    2366642

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A shocking day for Gaelic football, stick on the Sunday game and, oh god 3 wind up drones........... Let me out of this place!

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4772 - 01/08/2021 21:52:00    2366648

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Replying To Joxer:  "Mayo 48 Connaught titles, Galway 46. Next closest is Roscommon with half of what Mayo have. This doesn't even take into account the number of times that Mayo and Galway were runners-up. If this isn't a two horse competition then I don't know what is. I don't know why you're comparing Kerry's scoring record with their defensive tactics. What has their defence to do with their scoring ability? Dublin deploy a blanket and scored 20 points today. Even Spillane has spoken about their defensive style. It's part and parcel of the game these days."
3 teams have won 2 finals each in the last 6 years. That is 3 teams having equal success. Dublin have won 11 in a row and are clearly holding back to stop talk about the financial doping.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 618 - 01/08/2021 21:55:29    2366651

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Replying To jimbodub:  "
Replying To avonali:  "[quote=jimbodub:  "On Dublin go..

The bonus territory continues

Severe first world problem syndrome for a few of my fellow Dubs ;)

#5 is in the bag and #6 is unheralded

We are playing against teams happy to be 10pts down and still sit deep with 14 behind the ball..

What do you want Du6lin to do exactly?

I hope they continue to highlight how useless the blanket is now, Previous swash buckling go nowhere Dublin sides couldn't beat it, in fact got humiliated and bullied. Very short memories..

Du6s are operating at a level never achieved in the game, they are in a completely unique position for a number of reasons.

The one that really stands out a mile is..

Unfortunately we have teams competing against Du6lin that don't want to give themselves any chance of winning whatsover.. that's the problem folks.

Imagine playing the game against teams with little to no real intention of trying to win the game..

Happy to be have limited offensive options and blanket defend a 10pt deficit.. it's baffling.

What would you do in such a position if you played on a side that almost continually faced such a scenario..

Its a credit to Du6lin that they are still so hungry."
Jimbo, there is some truth in what you say but,
Sport is a spectacle and as such it needs to have some element of excitement, some tension, some intensity to absorb us.
If football is a game of two halves then today's match was , like Sam Beckett's "Waiting for Godot", a play in which nothing happens twice.
Or at least some moments of excellence. Where were the creativity, the incisive moves and pacey running off the shoulder?? Where was the deft foot passing and high fielding?? Today was awful-35 euro for a ticket to watch that muck?
I love the Dubs and I believe their team has been very creative in dealing with the blanket, but this is different now. You'd want to be blind to not see that there is a serious issue emerging in Gaelic football and I don't mean the dominance of the Dubs. A lot of IC Gaelic matches are utterly boring events in which nothing really exciting happens!"
Nothing to do with Du6lin

Du6lin reacted to a situation that already existed

Apparently that was destroying the game at the time..

Dubs countered it, rendering it useless.

Teams still setup like that against Dublin..

Not sure what you want Dublin to do...

Continually over commit and run into swarm tackles like in the 00's?"]If what anyone to actually take what you say seriously the "Du6lin" isn't going to help. Especially considering you claim to be an adult with children....

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 984 - 01/08/2021 21:57:59    2366654

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Replying To jimbodub:  "
Replying To avonali:  "[quote=jimbodub:  "On Dublin go..

The bonus territory continues

Severe first world problem syndrome for a few of my fellow Dubs ;)

#5 is in the bag and #6 is unheralded

We are playing against teams happy to be 10pts down and still sit deep with 14 behind the ball..

What do you want Du6lin to do exactly?

I hope they continue to highlight how useless the blanket is now, Previous swash buckling go nowhere Dublin sides couldn't beat it, in fact got humiliated and bullied. Very short memories..

Du6s are operating at a level never achieved in the game, they are in a completely unique position for a number of reasons.

The one that really stands out a mile is..

Unfortunately we have teams competing against Du6lin that don't want to give themselves any chance of winning whatsover.. that's the problem folks.

Imagine playing the game against teams with little to no real intention of trying to win the game..

Happy to be have limited offensive options and blanket defend a 10pt deficit.. it's baffling.

What would you do in such a position if you played on a side that almost continually faced such a scenario..

Its a credit to Du6lin that they are still so hungry."
Jimbo, there is some truth in what you say but,
Sport is a spectacle and as such it needs to have some element of excitement, some tension, some intensity to absorb us.
If football is a game of two halves then today's match was , like Sam Beckett's "Waiting for Godot", a play in which nothing happens twice.
Or at least some moments of excellence. Where were the creativity, the incisive moves and pacey running off the shoulder?? Where was the deft foot passing and high fielding?? Today was awful-35 euro for a ticket to watch that muck?
I love the Dubs and I believe their team has been very creative in dealing with the blanket, but this is different now. You'd want to be blind to not see that there is a serious issue emerging in Gaelic football and I don't mean the dominance of the Dubs. A lot of IC Gaelic matches are utterly boring events in which nothing really exciting happens!"
Nothing to do with Du6lin

Du6lin reacted to a situation that already existed

Apparently that was destroying the game at the time..

Dubs countered it, rendering it useless.

Teams still setup like that against Dublin..

Not sure what you want Dublin to do...

Continually over commit and run into swarm tackles like in the 00's?"]Put it like this Jimbo: there is a general conservatism and economy to Dublin's play now that just that just wasn't there in 2015-2019. This lateral/backward hand passing and retention of possession at ALL costs is perfectly understandable when the game is in the melting pot but 15 minutes into the first half just makes for a very boring spectacle. We miss the likes of Kevin Mc's running, Michael D McCauley's ability to beat a player, or Dermo's mercurial talent. NOnetheless, Dublin should have been able to open up that defence a few times today. They could do it against Kerry in the League but once the stakes are high it's as if they abandon creativity in favour of the the prudent , risk free approach. It's like they weren't even bothered going for the jugular as long as they kept the scoreboard tipping over.
Look, you're probably correct in what you say re: the blanket and perhaps it is a case of first world problems but I'd just like to see Dublin really go at a team. I think we are better than what we showed today.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 01/08/2021 22:05:31    2366659

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Replying To brisbane:  "3 teams have won 2 finals each in the last 6 years. That is 3 teams having equal success. Dublin have won 11 in a row and are clearly holding back to stop talk about the financial doping."
Holding back ? nonsense you cant just flick a switch

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 01/08/2021 22:17:19    2366667

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Dublin played at 50%, Kildare lads battled manfully and played beyond themselves and we are still talking about an 8 point deficit. The sport is a joke.

What was the difference today? Conditioning and fitness. What helps with conditioning and fitness? Funding.

End this farce. Boycott before the sport dies out completely.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 01/08/2021 22:19:54    2366668

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The Dubs must be putting a claim in for more money to GAA HQ. All is not well lol.

HighStoolBandit (Tyrone) - Posts: 131 - 01/08/2021 22:40:15    2366675

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Great Post Avon. I have been saying this for a while. The swashbuckling Dublin team that I used to love watching have become a clone of a basketball team with keep ball the main tactic. It's no coincidence that Dublin style has changed over the last few years since former Irish basketball coach has come on board. Dublin's keep ball tactic is very effective but a hard watch. The first team I remember doing this were Dr Crokes in Kerry who were managed by Pat ó Shea who was an ex international basketball player. What can you do though? I'm not sure the provincial are the problem. One sided games will still happen under an open draw. I think rule changes are needed. 1.No passing back behind half way line once you cross it. 2.Goalies have to kick beyond the 45m line. This rule was on the agenda only for objectors saying it unfair on keepers if the wind was strong. Rubbish as keepers don't kick from the end line anyway. Dublin are playing within the rules so it's gard to blame them when up against a defensive wall. It is ironic thought that motm was the player from the team that lost by 8 points but in truth the closest anyone came to him was probably Kilkenny. This is not a criticism of Dublin as they are doing the job to perfection and its about winning. No point enthralling fans if you lose.Football can bé good when played under different circumstances as we have seen already this year especially underage. A large amount of blame has to go to the losing teams too. Hope is never far away though and I do think both football semi will produce good games. The problem with that though is it might mask over the bore fests."
Don't get this, surely the way to go is stop teams keeping 14 players in their own half, leave the attacking team alone.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 429 - 01/08/2021 22:42:05    2366677

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Replying To baire:  "It takes two to tango. How Dublin played against an average blanket Kildare team today was indeed painful to watch, I gave up after 15 minutes. Give me the Dublin hurlers any day!"
Give me Donegal/Dublin in 2011 any day in front of the tripe on view today and yesterday

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 247 - 01/08/2021 22:47:27    2366679

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Replying To Joxer:  "Hard to disagree with that. At the same time, any supporter that boos a team for probing around a blanket defence, simply doesn't understand the game. Why should any team go crashing into an opposition defence when protecting a lead? It's up to the opposition to press higher. We saw this in the game yesterday also where Tyrone just passed the ball around for the past 2m and wound the clock down while Monaghan recoiled into their blanket. The thing that is bugging me with Dublin right now is that when they turn the ball over in their own half with the other team committed forward, instead of breaking forward and punishing the opposition, they allow them to reset to the blanket and play the ball backwards. Frustrating to watch and not entertaining. I don't doubt their ability to beat any team but, like most teams now, it seems to be all about risk levels when it comes to passing (so hand pass now dominates) and shot taking (keep probing for the low risk option). The days of the Kevin Mcs of this world seem to be numbered."
Any supporter that boos at a team for keep ball is unsporting same as supporters who boo or whistle free takers or goalkeepers taking kickouts. I hate all booing. I understand supporters booing a very dirty tackle or a bad ref decision. I understand but don't like it. I agree keep ball is frustrating for opposing fans but cest lá vie. It's not entertaining but it's successful.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3034 - 01/08/2021 23:54:12    2366698

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Congrats to Dublin, I think we set up too defensively today to have a real chance of winning the game, it is a learning curve for us and playing Div 1 next year should bring us on, Hope the dubs go on and win the all Ireland now, they are the best team to watch!

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 193 - 02/08/2021 00:33:09    2366705

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Any supporter that boos at a team for keep ball is unsporting same as supporters who boo or whistle free takers or goalkeepers taking kickouts. I hate all booing. I understand supporters booing a very dirty tackle or a bad ref decision. I understand but don't like it. I agree keep ball is frustrating for opposing fans but cest lá vie. It's not entertaining but it's successful."
It goes beyond being not entertaining though. It's very frustrating to watch, like yad literally get a wee bit stressed looking at it, it's supposed to be entertaining after all.
I genuinely can't think of a worse sport to watch on earth than gaelic football when keep ball is in action, maybe soccer before goalies were banned from handling back passes would be pretty similar in terms of being crap,defenders just passing back all the time.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 02/08/2021 00:52:26    2366706

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