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Replying To PK57:  "I've heard of head in the sand but the GAA must have their whole bodies in it to think the Leinster championship is worth retaining. 11 Leinster's in a row and won 16 of the last 17 titles on offer. The entire point of sport is competition and this is not it."
You're absolutely right when you say the essence of sport is competition. The Leinster championship is dead. However the Ulster championship most certainly is not. It's the most competitive and best championship in either hurling or football at senior level. Look at yesterday's Ulster Final in Croke Park. Three of the five counties involved in Connacht have won Connacht in the last six seasons. Tipp won Munster last year. Do you get rid of the other three championships because of what is happening in Leinster?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5708 - 01/08/2021 18:02:22    2366509

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Well done Dublin, won at their ease really, Kildare still playing blanket defence while getting well beat? Jack O'Connor has a short memory,
Dublin will need to step it up for the semi final though, Kildare were soft enough.
my 7-8 point win prediction was spot on anyway!!

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1822 - 01/08/2021 18:07:35    2366511

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Shows how far Dublin are ahead of the rest when they can play so poorly and still score 20 points and win by 8, only a point less than they beat Kildare by in the 2017 Leinster final.

God help Mayo and Kerry or Tyrone, when Dublin turn the tap on fully.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 01/08/2021 18:09:21    2366513

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Replying To Bon:  "Me neither, I see puke football is alive and well."
You're right. O'Connor needs to go.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 01/08/2021 18:10:18    2366514

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Replying To Greengrass:  "You're absolutely right when you say the essence of sport is competition. The Leinster championship is dead. However the Ulster championship most certainly is not. It's the most competitive and best championship in either hurling or football at senior level. Look at yesterday's Ulster Final in Croke Park. Three of the five counties involved in Connacht have won Connacht in the last six seasons. Tipp won Munster last year. Do you get rid of the other three championships because of what is happening in Leinster?"
Munster is hardly competitive when the best team beat the second best team by 22 points in the final. Despite some people fancying Galway to cause an upset in what is a two team Connaught championship this year, Mayo were comfortable enough in strolling to their 48th title. I think 3 of the 4 provinces are dead at this stage. Ulster remains competitive as it doesn't have a team of the calibre of the champions from the other 3. I think the bigger problem for football right now is the all out defence deployed by every team now, regardless of whether they are 10 points up or 10 points down, as we saw today from both teams. The days of the inside forward line are almost numbered it seems. I used to love seeing Bernard Bogan making those sprints to the corner to pick up an arrow from Connolly, before jinking inside and bending one over from an acute angle. It's all about risk management and accuracy percentages these days.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 01/08/2021 18:15:00    2366518

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Replying To realdub:  "Awful watch. Kildare played well enough and without fear which was nice for a change. We were so far off our own high standards it quite worrying now.
Yet we won very easily?
Mayo must be getting a little excited now."
Your a bad egg realdub getting Mayo lads excited for 6 point defeat.

Hard luck to kildare, it's not yer fault and we're all in the same boat as Kerry or Tyrone and Mayo will get the same treatment unfortunately.

Well done to dublin and the gaa for ruining and killing gaelic football.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13972 - 01/08/2021 18:15:10    2366519

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kildare did not go out to win it they went out trying to avoid getting hammered

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2204 - 01/08/2021 18:26:56    2366523

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Your a bad egg realdub getting Mayo lads excited for 6 point defeat.

Hard luck to kildare, it's not yer fault and we're all in the same boat as Kerry or Tyrone and Mayo will get the same treatment unfortunately.

Well done to dublin and the gaa for ruining and killing gaelic football."
Its not worth saving, diabolic its become, a terrible watch.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4734 - 01/08/2021 18:29:10    2366524

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "If teams like Kildare want to revert back to a discredited blanket defence system and go out with the attitude that an 8 point defeat is something credible, then no opposition team is obliged to facilitate them by booting the ball back to them for the crack!

Mayo will not be doing that so it will be completely different type of match."
That was awful stuff to watch, it would bore you to tears. Kildare never believed for one second they could beat the dubs and the dubs just strolled around for fun and still won so easy.
Poor advertisement for Gaelic football.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1409 - 01/08/2021 18:34:18    2366529

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Replying To Joxer:  "Munster is hardly competitive when the best team beat the second best team by 22 points in the final. Despite some people fancying Galway to cause an upset in what is a two team Connaught championship this year, Mayo were comfortable enough in strolling to their 48th title. I think 3 of the 4 provinces are dead at this stage. Ulster remains competitive as it doesn't have a team of the calibre of the champions from the other 3. I think the bigger problem for football right now is the all out defence deployed by every team now, regardless of whether they are 10 points up or 10 points down, as we saw today from both teams. The days of the inside forward line are almost numbered it seems. I used to love seeing Bernard Bogan making those sprints to the corner to pick up an arrow from Connolly, before jinking inside and bending one over from an acute angle. It's all about risk management and accuracy percentages these days."
Joxer two of the four championships are most definitely not dead. Connacht is not a two team championship. Roscommon have won it twice in the last six years. The winners of Ulster may not be at the level of Dublin and Kerry but they'll still perform and cause problems. We should be very careful what we wish for. If the football provincial championships are dispensed with it is very possible what replaces them will turn out to be every bit as soulless as the Champions League group stages. Hurling revised it's championship structures but the core of it's new structures remained the provincial championships. I enjoyed watching Bernard Brogan running on to passes from Diarmuid Connolly, turning, jinking inside and scoring from an acute angle. I might not have enjoyed it quite as much as you because I'm not from Dublin. A lot of teams have moved from the diagonal ball that demands a forward has to collect the ball while running away from the goal. Forwards now are ahead of the ball and the pass is popped in front of them enabling them to collect the pass whilst running towards the goal. I don't agree at all that every team is playing defensively. The game has opened up considerably over the last couple of years. We have had cracking games this year in the league and championship. Given that the championship is straight knockout and teams would have a fear of losing that is good to see. The weekend's football should not be judged on what happened in Croke Park today. Look at the two U20 matches this weekend and look at the Ulster Final in Croke Park. All three were sensational. Football is alive and well.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5708 - 01/08/2021 18:37:33    2366531

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Replying To Joxer:  "Munster is hardly competitive when the best team beat the second best team by 22 points in the final. Despite some people fancying Galway to cause an upset in what is a two team Connaught championship this year, Mayo were comfortable enough in strolling to their 48th title. I think 3 of the 4 provinces are dead at this stage. Ulster remains competitive as it doesn't have a team of the calibre of the champions from the other 3. I think the bigger problem for football right now is the all out defence deployed by every team now, regardless of whether they are 10 points up or 10 points down, as we saw today from both teams. The days of the inside forward line are almost numbered it seems. I used to love seeing Bernard Bogan making those sprints to the corner to pick up an arrow from Connolly, before jinking inside and bending one over from an acute angle. It's all about risk management and accuracy percentages these days."
The Munster championship isn't dead imo, I don't know what the hell happened to that Cork team last weekend but no way are they that bad,, it was such an outrageously bad performance that hopefully it might jolt someone into action behind the scenes, shake them out of whatever apathetic funk they're in, maybe take a look at the set up, underage development etc, Cork football, if prepared properly, have bar the last decade always historically been a strong team, only kerry and Dublin have won more all Irelands.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 01/08/2021 18:43:09    2366534

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Your a bad egg realdub getting Mayo lads excited for 6 point defeat.

Hard luck to kildare, it's not yer fault and we're all in the same boat as Kerry or Tyrone and Mayo will get the same treatment unfortunately.

Well done to dublin and the gaa for ruining and killing gaelic football."
You're some goldfish! You should google what kerry did last weekend to Cork and while you're at it check out what they did to Tyrone in June in the league! Do us all a favour, when the inevitable happens this year keep your to your bet and leave the main forum. You're the AI champ yourself in boredom, crawling and and constantly needing reassurance from your cronies on the Kerry page who by the way seem to have deserted you!

Best Regards

Jim! Bahahaha!

Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 123 - 01/08/2021 18:49:23    2366536

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Great to be back in Croke Park today.

First off congratulations to Du6lin but it wasnt a classic game by any means, just went to the usual script.

Du6s controlled the game until giving away a sloppy yet high class individual goal, think Basquel was unlucky but need to watch it back, seemed like a harsh call?

Kildare setup not to win today unfortunately and tactically that's just not good enough. Du6s so versed against such that it's bread and butter for them now. Built a good lead and then just controlled/managed the game knowing Kildare were not going to commit themselves to change that.

Kildare have had a good year but thought that was a nothing sort of approach today from JOC. He gave Kildare very little chance setting up like that.

On a purely selfish positive note for Du6lin. No injuries and now have J Small, Murchan and Cooper back. Instantly the pace Murchan can inject was obvious and both Small and Cooper fortified the defense and added options going forward.

Du6s didn't have to force the issue today at all and they just largely controlled the game and played it at their pace.

Complete opposite of the 2nd half breakdown versus Meath who really rattled them only for Du6lin's big game management muscle memory to kick in.

Du6lin will need a better performance to beat Mayo though and can really see that being a close run thing.

Although Mayo were able to paper over the loss of COC in Connacht. It's yet to be seen just how much he can be missed.

Du6s are where they want to be now.

I think with the returning players they now stand a much better chance.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20342 - 01/08/2021 18:54:46    2366539

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Replying To Bon:  "That was awful stuff to watch, it would bore you to tears. Kildare never believed for one second they could beat the dubs and the dubs just strolled around for fun and still won so easy.
Poor advertisement for Gaelic football."
It's a poorer advertisement for Kildare than for football.

Might be time to start looking at how much counties are contributing to the lack of competition rather than the constant finger pointing at structures.

Some of the basic ball handling from Kildare and shot selection was atrocious and they tired badly in the last quarter.

These are all things that are within the control of Kildare.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 01/08/2021 18:56:05    2366540

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Replying To Galway9801:  "The Munster championship isn't dead imo, I don't know what the hell happened to that Cork team last weekend but no way are they that bad,, it was such an outrageously bad performance that hopefully it might jolt someone into action behind the scenes, shake them out of whatever apathetic funk they're in, maybe take a look at the set up, underage development etc, Cork football, if prepared properly, have bar the last decade always historically been a strong team, only kerry and Dublin have won more all Irelands."
Galway have more All-Ireland's than Cork, and Meath have equal to Cork.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13408 - 01/08/2021 19:00:36    2366541

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Replying To Galway9801:  "The Munster championship isn't dead imo, I don't know what the hell happened to that Cork team last weekend but no way are they that bad,, it was such an outrageously bad performance that hopefully it might jolt someone into action behind the scenes, shake them out of whatever apathetic funk they're in, maybe take a look at the set up, underage development etc, Cork football, if prepared properly, have bar the last decade always historically been a strong team, only kerry and Dublin have won more all Irelands."
Small point. Cork are joint 4th in terms of number of all Ireland wins. We lie 3rd two clear from Cork and Meath. But I do agree with your general point about Cork.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1783 - 01/08/2021 19:05:39    2366543

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Replying To Galway9801:  "The Munster championship isn't dead imo, I don't know what the hell happened to that Cork team last weekend but no way are they that bad,, it was such an outrageously bad performance that hopefully it might jolt someone into action behind the scenes, shake them out of whatever apathetic funk they're in, maybe take a look at the set up, underage development etc, Cork football, if prepared properly, have bar the last decade always historically been a strong team, only kerry and Dublin have won more all Irelands."
Galway9801, whilst the Cork footballers have won 7 senior All Ireland titles the Galway footballers have won 9 senior All Irelands .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5708 - 01/08/2021 19:08:38    2366544

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That was an unmitigated BOREFEST! Why did I waste my time watching that? An error strewn, flaccid pointless affair. Sick of looking at footballers getting into possible goal scoring positions and then taking the "safe option" and fisting it over the bar top "keep the scoreboard turning over". This lateral, backward passing is an utter blight on the game. The nature of and spirit of Gaelic football has changed dramatically!!! How can a team win by that much and yet be soooo boring.

It's plain the folk in RTE have a pain in their collective h*le with the Dubs. Poor old Marty and Dessie can't throw on the emotional turbo chargers and get excited anymore. Oisin McConville is in danger of falling asleep and falling out of the media crow's nest -Cora, who is a gifted footballer but my God listening to her is like watching paint dry. They didn't even show the presentation of the trophy. Or if I missed t I must have been asleep. Marty and Dessie now confine themselves to praising individual Kildare players who were playing well. Is this the first time a MOTM award went to a teams that lost by 8 or 9 points??

I used to love watching Dublin win but at this stage is like a watching a cat toying with a mouse it knows it's going to kill.
I long for the days Dublin went at teams and tried to put them to the sword. Players were expressing themselves and plainly enjoyed what they were doing.

This phrase "game management"- where did that come from??? It's ruining our game.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1819 - 01/08/2021 19:09:55    2366545

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Your a bad egg realdub getting Mayo lads excited for 6 point defeat.

Hard luck to kildare, it's not yer fault and we're all in the same boat as Kerry or Tyrone and Mayo will get the same treatment unfortunately.

Well done to dublin and the gaa for ruining and killing gaelic football."
I'm deadly serious, if either yourselves or Mayo don't beat this Dublin team forget it.
The football is shite, but we just don't have the players we had so we play to our strengths. Ask Jim McGuinness, he'll explain it to you better than I can.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 01/08/2021 19:11:55    2366547

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Your a bad egg realdub getting Mayo lads excited for 6 point defeat.

Hard luck to kildare, it's not yer fault and we're all in the same boat as Kerry or Tyrone and Mayo will get the same treatment unfortunately.

Well done to dublin and the gaa for ruining and killing gaelic football."
Thank God Peter Keane, Brian Dooher and Horan the Mayo manager or their respective players don't adopt such an attitude; negative, defeatist, begrudging and childish. If your county isn't good enough on any given day, or in any given year, be man enough to admit. Don't go throwing the baby out with the bath water instead, and go blaming the system. Time to man up, ladeen boy.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 789 - 01/08/2021 19:22:16    2366551

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