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Munster MFC Cork 5-28 Waterford 0-03 (40 Point Win)

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All Dublins fault.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13617 - 22/07/2021 18:01:53    2362934

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Judging by the scoreline, that Waterford team would need a hell of a lot more than a structure change

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 195 - 22/07/2021 18:55:37    2362948

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Replying To waynoI:  "All Dublins fault."
John Connellan seems to think so on twitter.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 22/07/2021 18:59:15    2362949

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Replying To skirge7:  "No one batted an eyelid when Cork minor hurlers humiliated Clare also by 40 points.

Cork 6-28 Clare 0-6

Should Clare be relegated in hurling? Their U20s also lost by a lot.

If Waterford are going to be relegated in football, so should Clare in hurling.

Maybe Cork have sorted out their issues and are going to be a force in the coming years."
Plenty of eyelids blinked. If anything no one batted an eyelid at that result last night.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 720 - 22/07/2021 19:10:04    2362952

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Replying To oneoff:  "Plenty of eyelids blinked. If anything no one batted an eyelid at that result last night."
so very true on reflection...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 867 - 22/07/2021 19:25:55    2362960

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Is Mike Ashley Cork'a new Messiah?

TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 22/07/2021 20:30:37    2362980

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Its unfortunate that a group of young kids have this happen to them but it did. Waterford have produced good footballers in the past and will in the future. We have never turned our back on football and an examination of resources and money applied is relative compared to hurling. The hurling team is hurling longer most seasons and that is where you see the difference in expenditures.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1697 - 22/07/2021 20:48:09    2362985

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It does nothing but reduce the chances of youngsters staying involved. Underage mind is no guarantee of senior success and some of the Cork lads will fall away too and you may never hear of them again.
The weaker counties have even less hope at senior and the roll of honour backs that up.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 22/07/2021 21:01:48    2362989

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Replying To daytona11:  "Strange argument considering we already have a tiered structure in hurling. If Clare, just like Offaly, can't compete with the top tiered counties at any age group they will be relegated. Their results will ensure that.

The tiered structure in hurling been by and large successful and no reason why football can't replicate it."
How many tiers do you want though? 16? Two in each? There will always be hammerings yet subdividing competitions seem to the same over reaction to every hammering.

Yes hurling has tiers. 15 years ago we had Mccarthy, Ring and Rackard Cups. A few hammerings later and the Meagher is introduced. One more subdivision. A few hammerings later and we introduce the Mcdonagh Cup. Another subdivision.

So Skirge question is valid, Cork annihilated Clare in hurling so why not subdivide again and keep doing it until it becomes farcical?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3907 - 22/07/2021 23:23:41    2363034

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Would offaly and Dublin have been separated/seeded differently??

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 752 - 22/07/2021 23:54:33    2363040

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Replying To catch22:  "It does nothing but reduce the chances of youngsters staying involved. Underage mind is no guarantee of senior success and some of the Cork lads will fall away too and you may never hear of them again.
The weaker counties have even less hope at senior and the roll of honour backs that up."
thats the exact point, of course players will fall away, Cork will have the numbers playing (and winning along the way) to sustain them, Waterford, what will they have to sustain them?..good players falling away from the scene in Cork is very different to good players falling away in Waterford....hammerings like this especially in an so called weaker county is not going to better that situation...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 867 - 23/07/2021 10:31:51    2363094

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "That would be great as it would re-grade the teams based on their current standard, not the historical results of a barely related group of players. It's an entire revamp of the provincial structure. We all know it makes sense, but you'd have a better chance of solving global warming than passing that through congress."
I think you are right.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 23/07/2021 11:38:08    2363122

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Replying To Canuck:  "Its unfortunate that a group of young kids have this happen to them but it did. Waterford have produced good footballers in the past and will in the future. We have never turned our back on football and an examination of resources and money applied is relative compared to hurling. The hurling team is hurling longer most seasons and that is where you see the difference in expenditures."
I've a feeling though that if those youngsters were so concerned they might have trained a bit harder. You don't lose a game by that margin if you train properly.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 23/07/2021 11:55:41    2363129

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I've a feeling though that if those youngsters were so concerned they might have trained a bit harder. You don't lose a game by that margin if you train properly."
easy to say when football and hurling are on a par...not every county has that luxury, and a bit offending to them young lads from Waterford who pulled on the jersey the other night in sahara like conditions, knowing they were going to loose anyway realistiically, ...we dont know the set up to be honest...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 867 - 23/07/2021 13:44:22    2363170

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I've a feeling though that if those youngsters were so concerned they might have trained a bit harder. You don't lose a game by that margin if you train properly."
very unfair and insulting to those kids involved.
how do you define training properly?
What of the extras that greatly assist performance etc that are not in any way in the hands of the kids involved.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2609 - 23/07/2021 14:02:59    2363178

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I've a feeling though that if those youngsters were so concerned they might have trained a bit harder. You don't lose a game by that margin if you train properly."
Probably a comment that should be directed at the CB or management team really.

Yes you can and do lose games by that margin even if you have been training properly.

If Kildare / Meath / Offaly were to play Limerick in hurling tomorrow they would probably lose by something similar and I can tell you now the Joe McDonagh teams train like the Liam McCarthy teams.

I'm all for a tiered and properly structured championship that does away with pointless and unhelpful hammerings. My main fear would be that the GAA would cut lose the football teams in the lower tier and not fund them properly.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3963 - 23/07/2021 14:15:21    2363182

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Replying To daytona11:  "Strange argument considering we already have a tiered structure in hurling. If Clare, just like Offaly, can't compete with the top tiered counties at any age group they will be relegated. Their results will ensure that.

The tiered structure in hurling been by and large successful and no reason why football can't replicate it."
Well said Daytona. If we are not good enough we will go down. Hurling has been graded for years so i dont understand the person saying we are someway protected??

Personally, with a relative who was on the panel and seeing his demeanor after it, I think underage grading at inter county is the way to go. He was demoralized.

Grading should be easy, especially after results at u15, 16 etc, you can see what teams are capable off. With minor at u17 now ( which i think is a bad idea) counties with small picks will end up playing a lot of 16 year olds and in some cases 15 year old's as they wont turn 16 until later in the year. Very hard for them to compete against Cork, Limerick, Tipp, Galway and KK.

Now I know people will say KK have small population but they dont play football and do they even field underage football teams? Its all hurling. West Clare is all football, with a good few lads hurling with clubs like Kilmaley, Ballyea, Inagh Kilnamona etc but we wouldnt hve the same numbers as the bigger teams.

What happened to Clare and Waterford might be a once off but I doubt it and i would be open to grading if warranted.

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 23/07/2021 14:48:32    2363190

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Replying To daytona11:  "Probably a comment that should be directed at the CB or management team really.

Yes you can and do lose games by that margin even if you have been training properly.

If Kildare / Meath / Offaly were to play Limerick in hurling tomorrow they would probably lose by something similar and I can tell you now the Joe McDonagh teams train like the Liam McCarthy teams.

I'm all for a tiered and properly structured championship that does away with pointless and unhelpful hammerings. My main fear would be that the GAA would cut lose the football teams in the lower tier and not fund them properly."
I don't know about that. Offaly at a far higher level than Kildare or Meath at the moment.

Sure Offaly beat Meath by 16 points in Navan in the league - and that was one of the closest games that they have had all year.

Teams fluctuate. Especially at underage level. So you would want to be very careful about permanent tiers.

In general at senior level I think 2 tiers with 4 groups of 16 (seeded by league, then last years results) is the way to go btw.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 101 - 23/07/2021 15:06:53    2363198

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Whilst I am open to grading. id like to add the following:

Clare were in the 2017 Munster minor hurling final. The minors in 2018 performed well and the minors in 2019 got to munster final, lost to limerick by 4 or 5 and then performed very well against Galway and KK in All Ireland series. Already from those sides we have Diarmuid Ryan, Aidan McCarthy and Mark Rodgers playing well on the senior side. The u20s other night were not allowed ot play Rodgers due to a silly rule and they were down 2 other keys players. We will are producing good players. Also there are other factors to that minor performance which I wont go into here but well documented...

St Flannans won the harty cup last year, beating 2 Cork schools on the way. With an all Clare team.

Yes there is a worry teams coming after that are not in a good place but Clare are still quiet strong in hurling terms.

From 2008 to 2015, Clare won 4 Munster and 4 All Ireland hurling titles and 2 Munster minor titles and very unlucky to lose 2010 minor final to KK and pipped by Galway in 2011 and again by Dublin in 2012 semi finals. Maybe we are going through a bad period at the moment but I think we still have a large amount of good hurlers sub 30 in the county.

That said, sending out kids, either in hurling or football to get destroyed is not right. Would a B or C grade club be asked to play an A team? No they wouldn't. Why should inter county be different?

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 23/07/2021 15:19:09    2363200

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I've a feeling though that if those youngsters were so concerned they might have trained a bit harder. You don't lose a game by that margin if you train properly."
I can't answer that but would not throw that on them as well as the terrible defeat. They were the best available and obviously out classed.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1697 - 23/07/2021 17:55:51    2363235

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