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Replying To witnof:  "Point is places are limited hence no kids discounted tickets.

More places more chance of kids discounted tickets,

This one ain't down to the GAA"
Would you agree that regardless of the price of tickets for children that a fair estimate would be a maximum of 10% of the 18,000 would be children ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/07/2021 16:38:07    2362572

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Eh, I didn't blame anyone AfricanGael nor do I. I said we are living in extraordinary times. The GAA have employees who have to be paid. Their revenue streams have been decimated. The organisation cannot run on fresh air. There have been very competitive family tickets in the past and there will be again in the future."
You see I don't believe that any more than 10% of the attendees will be children anyway Greengrass even if there were no restrictions and given that it is limited to 18,000 I would suggest that the percentage of children will be even less than that.

I also think that €35 is very reasonable for an adult ticket.

I would also have a simple solution to keep everyone happy and not attract any bad publicity.

The thing about greed is that once a dog gets a bad name, that's it.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 21/07/2021 17:17:25    2362583

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To yew_tree:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"

You do talk some sh....

Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park

"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended."

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I think we all know at this stage Cockney_Cat why the game has been moved so there is no need for a link.

With all due respect to you but I don't think someone from a county who wont even field a football team is in an way qualified or have their opinion taken seriously when it comes to calculating costs to local economies by moving a local derby from one province to another and by your own admission you are in London most of your life.

But lets look at your argument so I can dismantle it.

So 3,500 were going to be allowed to attend McHale Park and 18,000 will be allowed attend Croke Park, this is the basis for you argument that there wont be any cost to the economy in the West.

We know that the numbers will be slightly less but for the purposes of this lesson in economics lets that 9,000 people travel from each county to Croke Park, we will be generous and say that an average of 4 persons will travel per car, so 4,500 cars will travel east which wouldn't have done if the game hadn't been move.

We will estimate the return trip per car to cost €60 to cover the fuel, toll and parking costs.

So that's: 4,500 x €60 = €270,000.

So already we have estimated additional costs of €270,000, up in smoke literally, money that would have normally been kept and spent in the West.

The 18,000 people you are taking from the West from morning to evening who normally would have stayed in the West had the game not been moved will have to have lunch etc. so we can say that they will spend an average of €25 while on the road so that €25 x 18,000 = € 450,000.

So while the attendance may have increased from 3,500 to 18,000 the cost to the local economy can be estimated to be in the region of €720,000 because this is money that would have been spent in the region regardless, but which is now being spent on the road, up in smoke most of it.

So before you spout out that I am talking sh***, at least do your sums first."
Hold on lad. I live in Mayo. 3,500 would have meant nothing to Castlebar town on a busy Saturday anyway. I do work in Castlebar and business people said the Leitrim game made no impact on the town.

You calculate the money spent locally v travel and costs of a day out in Dublin. Well most people in Mayo would head straight home after the game...all 3,000 of them. A few hundred Galway fans would likely head in home. Few shops and filling stations might have been a big busier but not much.

If times were normal absolutely not way would I be in favour of taking the Connacht final to Croke Park but times are not normal.

You disgracefully said Cockney_Cat had no right to comment because his county don't field a football team...so what? He is a fellow Gael. You won't even tell us what country/county your from....why do you have a right to comment based on that argument? Utter nonsense."]You don't get it yew_tree, do you,

So you think that taking 18,000 people from the West for a day will have no effect on the local economy.

It has nothing to do with Castlebar at all, it doesn't matter if the game is there or in Galway.

It also doesn't matter if it wasn't money that was spent on the day either.

Just think about what you are saying for a minute.

The facts are that by the GAA switching venue €1,227,500 will have been taken out of the economy of the West, it doesn't matter a toss if it was spent in Castlebar, Galway, Westport or wherever or indeed what day it was spent.

"]That's your speculation. Not a fact.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6284 - 21/07/2021 17:29:40    2362593

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To yew_tree:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"

You do talk some sh....

Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park

"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended."

link"
I think we all know at this stage Cockney_Cat why the game has been moved so there is no need for a link.

With all due respect to you but I don't think someone from a county who wont even field a football team is in an way qualified or have their opinion taken seriously when it comes to calculating costs to local economies by moving a local derby from one province to another and by your own admission you are in London most of your life.

But lets look at your argument so I can dismantle it.

So 3,500 were going to be allowed to attend McHale Park and 18,000 will be allowed attend Croke Park, this is the basis for you argument that there wont be any cost to the economy in the West.

We know that the numbers will be slightly less but for the purposes of this lesson in economics lets that 9,000 people travel from each county to Croke Park, we will be generous and say that an average of 4 persons will travel per car, so 4,500 cars will travel east which wouldn't have done if the game hadn't been move.

We will estimate the return trip per car to cost €60 to cover the fuel, toll and parking costs.

So that's: 4,500 x €60 = €270,000.

So already we have estimated additional costs of €270,000, up in smoke literally, money that would have normally been kept and spent in the West.

The 18,000 people you are taking from the West from morning to evening who normally would have stayed in the West had the game not been moved will have to have lunch etc. so we can say that they will spend an average of €25 while on the road so that €25 x 18,000 = € 450,000.

So while the attendance may have increased from 3,500 to 18,000 the cost to the local economy can be estimated to be in the region of €720,000 because this is money that would have been spent in the region regardless, but which is now being spent on the road, up in smoke most of it.

So before you spout out that I am talking sh***, at least do your sums first."
Hold on lad. I live in Mayo. 3,500 would have meant nothing to Castlebar town on a busy Saturday anyway. I do work in Castlebar and business people said the Leitrim game made no impact on the town.

You calculate the money spent locally v travel and costs of a day out in Dublin. Well most people in Mayo would head straight home after the game...all 3,000 of them. A few hundred Galway fans would likely head in home. Few shops and filling stations might have been a big busier but not much.

If times were normal absolutely not way would I be in favour of taking the Connacht final to Croke Park but times are not normal.

You disgracefully said Cockney_Cat had no right to comment because his county don't field a football team...so what? He is a fellow Gael. You won't even tell us what country/county your from....why do you have a right to comment based on that argument? Utter nonsense."]You don't get it yew_tree, do you,

So you think that taking 18,000 people from the West for a day will have no effect on the local economy.

It has nothing to do with Castlebar at all, it doesn't matter if the game is there or in Galway.

It also doesn't matter if it wasn't money that was spent on the day either.

Just think about what you are saying for a minute.

The facts are that by the GAA switching venue €1,227,500 will have been taken out of the economy of the West, it doesn't matter a toss if it was spent in Castlebar, Galway, Westport or wherever or indeed what day it was spent.

"]Give it a rest. The right call was made. The Connacht final will be back in Connacht next year when full capacity is restored. The move suits both teams and gets more supporters in. Anything to give out about and you are on it here. You must have plenty of time on your hands.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10818 - 21/07/2021 17:54:40    2362599

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "You see I don't believe that any more than 10% of the attendees will be children anyway Greengrass even if there were no restrictions and given that it is limited to 18,000 I would suggest that the percentage of children will be even less than that.

I also think that €35 is very reasonable for an adult ticket.

I would also have a simple solution to keep everyone happy and not attract any bad publicity.

The thing about greed is that once a dog gets a bad name, that's it."
Very fair points AfricanGael. I don't believe The GAA is being greedy however I think your point about the number of children attending is a fair one. It doesn't matter what The GAA the begrudgers in this country will find fault and complain.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5688 - 21/07/2021 19:04:26    2362621

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A very good idea to move games to Croke Park. It means a lot more people can go and see the games. I watched Galway v Dublin hurling match with a lot less of a crowd allowed, and you had to buy ticket pids! But you cant beat live games, the matches are all that matters. If it helps the GAA bring some financial security to the organisation, so be it. My only gripe is when the games are not shown live on TV and live attendances are restricted. But at the end of the day the only thing that matters are the games.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4732 - 21/07/2021 23:30:36    2362703

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Replying To arock:  "A very good idea to move games to Croke Park. It means a lot more people can go and see the games. I watched Galway v Dublin hurling match with a lot less of a crowd allowed, and you had to buy ticket pids! But you cant beat live games, the matches are all that matters. If it helps the GAA bring some financial security to the organisation, so be it. My only gripe is when the games are not shown live on TV and live attendances are restricted. But at the end of the day the only thing that matters are the games."
I just had a quick look at the set up regarding tickets and see that you also have to buy a pod.

So a fella who wants to go on his own has to pay a minimum of €70.

This is a farcical set up and could lead to situations where even though all the "pods" have been sold, there wont be 18,000 at the match, and genuine supporters who want a ticket wont get one.

This raises suspicions once more that this is more to do with money than any real desire to allow more supporters into the stadium.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 22/07/2021 13:30:22    2362840

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It's great news for babysitters across the country. They can avail of the extra work and the rest of us can watch the game in peace.

OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 245 - 22/07/2021 14:27:21    2362861

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By all accounts the attendance wont even reach 15,000.

Doh.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 23/07/2021 19:29:17    2363255

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