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Replying To Greengrass: "Would you ever stop !!! This "pure greed" and "The Grab All Association" are nothing more than tired, played out clichés used by people who want to have a pop at The GAA." I think most of us including African Gael agree it's greed.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 20/07/2021 21:52:33
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Replying To Greengrass: "Would you ever stop !!! This "pure greed" and "The Grab All Association" are nothing more than tired, played out clichés used by people who want to have a pop at The GAA." Not at all, there's a lot of greed in Ireland and they all get called out and rightly so, it just happens to be the GAA this time.
Irish people are being ripped off left right and centre in so many ways, it's not good enough.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 20/07/2021 21:53:52
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Replying To AfricanGael: "I know you would but it's totally subjective, don't get me wrong it's great for any player to play in Croke Park and while there are positives in the decision to switch to a bigger venue there are also negatives.
But people need to start looking at the greater good rather than being "me feiners" all the time.
Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched, what will the travel costs be, probably the equivalent cost of two full time coaches for a year gone up in smoke, literally, carbon footprint etc.
I'm sure a few thousand cars will travel from the West and back on game day and not all will be shared by family members, that's ok though to spend 7 or 8 hours in a car together but don't dare sit side by side for 70 minutes outdoors in a full stadium.
Time for a bit of cop on to start kicking in now I think." The local economy won't take that much of a hit given the tiny numbers that would be allowed attend and many fans or even the majority still would drive to the game whether its in Mayo, Galway or wherever
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 20/07/2021 21:54:54
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Sure we know it's a flat fee, that's why we are arguing about it !
With the flat fee logic you could say a half pint should cost the same as a pint, you could do anything you want with a flat fee !
Flat fee when it comes to charging kids the same as adults is called greed." No it isnt especially when demand for games is especially high as you have to treat all potential attendees the same.
just like for all ireland finals and rugby world cup games. no kids tickets for those games but there is for provincial pro14 and gaa early rounds of championship games.
on flat fee no it isnt the same as saying half pint as same price as pint as you are not getting same thing for same price with that. totally wrong comparison there africangael...
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 20/07/2021 22:00:26
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Replying To AfricanGael: "I know you would but it's totally subjective, don't get me wrong it's great for any player to play in Croke Park and while there are positives in the decision to switch to a bigger venue there are also negatives.
But people need to start looking at the greater good rather than being "me feiners" all the time.
Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched, what will the travel costs be, probably the equivalent cost of two full time coaches for a year gone up in smoke, literally, carbon footprint etc.
I'm sure a few thousand cars will travel from the West and back on game day and not all will be shared by family members, that's ok though to spend 7 or 8 hours in a car together but don't dare sit side by side for 70 minutes outdoors in a full stadium.
Time for a bit of cop on to start kicking in now I think." "Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"
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Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park
"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended."
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Sure we know it's a flat fee, that's why we are arguing about it !
With the flat fee logic you could say a half pint should cost the same as a pint, you could do anything you want with a flat fee !
Flat fee when it comes to charging kids the same as adults is called greed." It isnt greed. the kids are attending the same game as adults. not the same as a half pint and a pint which are very different products.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 20/07/2021 22:33:47
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Not at all, there's a lot of greed in Ireland and they all get called out and rightly so, it just happens to be the GAA this time.
Irish people are being ripped off left right and centre in so many ways, it's not good enough." The GAA's finances have been devastated at national, provincial and club level. For the second year in a row The GAAs primary source of income is being decimated. Due to government restrictions Croke Park is being used in order to boost attendances and allow thousands more people attend the games. It costs money to open Croke Park. The precedent for charging full prices has already been set. There are no deductions in ticket prices for children for All Ireland finals. Given the parlous state of The GAA's finances every cent counts at this stage. Coaches the length and breadth of the country have to be paid. We are living in extraordinary times which unfortunately demand extraordinary measures. The GAA can't run on fresh air. Greed has nothing to do with it. Necessity does.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/07/2021 23:23:13
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Replying To katser: "Just watch the game at home on the TV.... what's the big Whoop about going to a big stadium with a few thousand people in it!" you're not actually seeing the match if you watch it on tv, you're just seeing what the little rectangle allows you to see
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There are just 18 000 places so places are limited,
You want kids tickets go talk to the gouvernment to up the number of places
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 21/07/2021 07:47:25
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: " "Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"You do talk some sh.... Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended." link"
With all due respect to you but I don't think someone from a county who wont even field a football team is in an way qualified or have their opinion taken seriously when it comes to calculating costs to local economies by moving a local derby from one province to another and by your own admission you are in London most of your life.
But lets look at your argument so I can dismantle it.
So 3,500 were going to be allowed to attend McHale Park and 18,000 will be allowed attend Croke Park, this is the basis for you argument that there wont be any cost to the economy in the West.
We know that the numbers will be slightly less but for the purposes of this lesson in economics lets that 9,000 people travel from each county to Croke Park, we will be generous and say that an average of 4 persons will travel per car, so 4,500 cars will travel east which wouldn't have done if the game hadn't been move.
We will estimate the return trip per car to cost €60 to cover the fuel, toll and parking costs.
So that's: 4,500 x €60 = €270,000.
So already we have estimated additional costs of €270,000, up in smoke literally, money that would have normally been kept and spent in the West.
The 18,000 people you are taking from the West from morning to evening who normally would have stayed in the West had the game not been moved will have to have lunch etc. so we can say that they will spend an average of €25 while on the road so that €25 x 18,000 = € 450,000.
So while the attendance may have increased from 3,500 to 18,000 the cost to the local economy can be estimated to be in the region of €720,000 because this is money that would have been spent in the region regardless, but which is now being spent on the road, up in smoke most of it.
So before you spout out that I am talking sh***, at least do your sums first.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/07/2021 11:16:20
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Replying To witnof: "There are just 18 000 places so places are limited,
You want kids tickets go talk to the gouvernment to up the number of places" The Government haven't prevented kids from attending so I don't know what your point is really.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/07/2021 11:23:11
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: " "Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"You do talk some sh.... Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended." link"
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/07/2021 11:27:20
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: " "Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"You do talk some sh.... Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended." link" I think we all know at this stage Cockney_Cat why the game has been moved so there is no need for a link. With all due respect to you but I don't think someone from a county who wont even field a football team is in an way qualified or have their opinion taken seriously when it comes to calculating costs to local economies by moving a local derby from one province to another and by your own admission you are in London most of your life. But lets look at your argument so I can dismantle it. So 3,500 were going to be allowed to attend McHale Park and 18,000 will be allowed attend Croke Park, this is the basis for you argument that there wont be any cost to the economy in the West. We know that the numbers will be slightly less but for the purposes of this lesson in economics lets that 9,000 people travel from each county to Croke Park, we will be generous and say that an average of 4 persons will travel per car, so 4,500 cars will travel east which wouldn't have done if the game hadn't been move. We will estimate the return trip per car to cost €60 to cover the fuel, toll and parking costs. So that's: 4,500 x €60 = €270,000. So already we have estimated additional costs of €270,000, up in smoke literally, money that would have normally been kept and spent in the West. The 18,000 people you are taking from the West from morning to evening who normally would have stayed in the West had the game not been moved will have to have lunch etc. so we can say that they will spend an average of €25 while on the road so that €25 x 18,000 = € 450,000. So while the attendance may have increased from 3,500 to 18,000 the cost to the local economy can be estimated to be in the region of €720,000 because this is money that would have been spent in the region regardless, but which is now being spent on the road, up in smoke most of it. So before you spout out that I am talking sh***, at least do your sums first."
Smart those GAA lads, aren't they.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/07/2021 12:01:11
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Replying To witnof: "There are just 18 000 places so places are limited,
You want kids tickets go talk to the gouvernment to up the number of places" Might not even sell all 18000 tickets. There will be a good few Mayo or Galway supporters not living at home that'll make the trip. I suppose a few neutrals like yourself Witnof will go in for a look at, probably, Dublin's semi final opponents? Should be a cracking game.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 21/07/2021 12:06:29
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Replying To Greengrass: "The GAA's finances have been devastated at national, provincial and club level. For the second year in a row The GAAs primary source of income is being decimated. Due to government restrictions Croke Park is being used in order to boost attendances and allow thousands more people attend the games. It costs money to open Croke Park. The precedent for charging full prices has already been set. There are no deductions in ticket prices for children for All Ireland finals. Given the parlous state of The GAA's finances every cent counts at this stage. Coaches the length and breadth of the country have to be paid. We are living in extraordinary times which unfortunately demand extraordinary measures. The GAA can't run on fresh air. Greed has nothing to do with it. Necessity does." I notice you haven't mentioned the global pandemic once Greengrass but prefer to blame the Government and you have also conveniently forgot to mention the 15 million euros the Government gave to the GAA last year to run the Championship.
So you can't have it every way.
Do you think it's only the GAA's revenues which have been decimated ?
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/07/2021 12:19:33
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "you're not actually seeing the match if you watch it on tv, you're just seeing what the little rectangle allows you to see" The little rectangle will show you where the action is. Outside of the rectangle there will be nothing happening.
I'll only go to matches when crowds are back for the atmosphere and banter.
It's too much hassle going to matches in these times.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2195 - 21/07/2021 12:46:39
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Replying To AfricanGael: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: " "Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"You do talk some sh.... Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended." link" I think we all know at this stage Cockney_Cat why the game has been moved so there is no need for a link. With all due respect to you but I don't think someone from a county who wont even field a football team is in an way qualified or have their opinion taken seriously when it comes to calculating costs to local economies by moving a local derby from one province to another and by your own admission you are in London most of your life. But lets look at your argument so I can dismantle it. So 3,500 were going to be allowed to attend McHale Park and 18,000 will be allowed attend Croke Park, this is the basis for you argument that there wont be any cost to the economy in the West. We know that the numbers will be slightly less but for the purposes of this lesson in economics lets that 9,000 people travel from each county to Croke Park, we will be generous and say that an average of 4 persons will travel per car, so 4,500 cars will travel east which wouldn't have done if the game hadn't been move. We will estimate the return trip per car to cost €60 to cover the fuel, toll and parking costs. So that's: 4,500 x €60 = €270,000. So already we have estimated additional costs of €270,000, up in smoke literally, money that would have normally been kept and spent in the West. The 18,000 people you are taking from the West from morning to evening who normally would have stayed in the West had the game not been moved will have to have lunch etc. so we can say that they will spend an average of €25 while on the road so that €25 x 18,000 = € 450,000. So while the attendance may have increased from 3,500 to 18,000 the cost to the local economy can be estimated to be in the region of €720,000 because this is money that would have been spent in the region regardless, but which is now being spent on the road, up in smoke most of it. So before you spout out that I am talking sh***, at least do your sums first."
You calculate the money spent locally v travel and costs of a day out in Dublin. Well most people in Mayo would head straight home after the game...all 3,000 of them. A few hundred Galway fans would likely head in home. Few shops and filling stations might have been a big busier but not much.
If times were normal absolutely not way would I be in favour of taking the Connacht final to Croke Park but times are not normal.
You disgracefully said Cockney_Cat had no right to comment because his county don't field a football team...so what? He is a fellow Gael. You won't even tell us what country/county your from....why do you have a right to comment based on that argument? Utter nonsense.
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Replying To AfricanGael: "The Government haven't prevented kids from attending so I don't know what your point is really." Point is places are limited hence no kids discounted tickets.
More places more chance of kids discounted tickets,
This one ain't down to the GAA
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 21/07/2021 14:48:52
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Replying To yew_tree: " Replying To AfricanGael: "[quote=Cockney_Cat: " "Things like, what will the cost to the local economy in the West be of the game being switched"You do talk some sh.... Connacht SFC final to be held in Croke Park"If the match had gone ahead in Castlebar, just 10% of MacHale Park's capacity (3,509) could have attended." link" I think we all know at this stage Cockney_Cat why the game has been moved so there is no need for a link. With all due respect to you but I don't think someone from a county who wont even field a football team is in an way qualified or have their opinion taken seriously when it comes to calculating costs to local economies by moving a local derby from one province to another and by your own admission you are in London most of your life. But lets look at your argument so I can dismantle it. So 3,500 were going to be allowed to attend McHale Park and 18,000 will be allowed attend Croke Park, this is the basis for you argument that there wont be any cost to the economy in the West. We know that the numbers will be slightly less but for the purposes of this lesson in economics lets that 9,000 people travel from each county to Croke Park, we will be generous and say that an average of 4 persons will travel per car, so 4,500 cars will travel east which wouldn't have done if the game hadn't been move. We will estimate the return trip per car to cost €60 to cover the fuel, toll and parking costs. So that's: 4,500 x €60 = €270,000. So already we have estimated additional costs of €270,000, up in smoke literally, money that would have normally been kept and spent in the West. The 18,000 people you are taking from the West from morning to evening who normally would have stayed in the West had the game not been moved will have to have lunch etc. so we can say that they will spend an average of €25 while on the road so that €25 x 18,000 = € 450,000. So while the attendance may have increased from 3,500 to 18,000 the cost to the local economy can be estimated to be in the region of €720,000 because this is money that would have been spent in the region regardless, but which is now being spent on the road, up in smoke most of it. So before you spout out that I am talking sh***, at least do your sums first."
You calculate the money spent locally v travel and costs of a day out in Dublin. Well most people in Mayo would head straight home after the game...all 3,000 of them. A few hundred Galway fans would likely head in home. Few shops and filling stations might have been a big busier but not much.
If times were normal absolutely not way would I be in favour of taking the Connacht final to Croke Park but times are not normal.
You disgracefully said Cockney_Cat had no right to comment because his county don't field a football team...so what? He is a fellow Gael. You won't even tell us what country/county your from....why do you have a right to comment based on that argument? Utter nonsense."]You don't get it yew_tree, do you,
So you think that taking 18,000 people from the West for a day will have no effect on the local economy.
It has nothing to do with Castlebar at all, it doesn't matter if the game is there or in Galway.
It also doesn't matter if it wasn't money that was spent on the day either.
Just think about what you are saying for a minute.
The facts are that by the GAA switching venue €1,227,500 will have been taken out of the economy of the West, it doesn't matter a toss if it was spent in Castlebar, Galway, Westport or wherever or indeed what day it was spent.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 21/07/2021 14:56:20
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Replying To AfricanGael: "I notice you haven't mentioned the global pandemic once Greengrass but prefer to blame the Government and you have also conveniently forgot to mention the 15 million euros the Government gave to the GAA last year to run the Championship.
So you can't have it every way.
Do you think it's only the GAA's revenues which have been decimated ?" Eh, I didn't blame anyone AfricanGael nor do I. I said we are living in extraordinary times. The GAA have employees who have to be paid. Their revenue streams have been decimated. The organisation cannot run on fresh air. There have been very competitive family tickets in the past and there will be again in the future.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 21/07/2021 15:31:23
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