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A player lifts his hand not once but twice in the direction of a man's face and is going to appeal it? Stupid to do it when game was won not once but twice. Gave referee no option but a red card.

ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 724 - 13/07/2021 11:46:01    2359333

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Replying To ryan:  "A player lifts his hand not once but twice in the direction of a man's face and is going to appeal it? Stupid to do it when game was won not once but twice. Gave referee no option but a red card."
Happens about 20 times a game where lads push each other off with an open hand. Think it should be punished but if he gets a red for it he can feel hard done by when 99% of players get away with it.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1143 - 13/07/2021 12:12:29    2359346

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Replying To ryan:  "A player lifts his hand not once but twice in the direction of a man's face and is going to appeal it? Stupid to do it when game was won not once but twice. Gave referee no option but a red card."
The relevant rule states " striking or attempting to strike", could be interpreted as implying a hitting rather than pushing action, arguably grounds for appeal.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 13/07/2021 12:28:57    2359356

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Yeah you'd hope the appeal doesn't succeed, but it probably has a good chance of getting overturned. It was a silly red to get, they had us well beaten at that stage and he didn't need to do it. But to strike twice and right behind the ref (the Cavan player's head nearly hit the ref second time he was pushed in the face) kind of makes it inexcusable.

TheBlackDeath (Cavan) - Posts: 73 - 13/07/2021 12:35:42    2359359

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Replying To sligo joe:  "The relevant rule states " striking or attempting to strike", could be interpreted as implying a hitting rather than pushing action, arguably grounds for appeal."
If I hit you in the face with my fist open or closed I am still hitting you in the face. Hitting someone in the face is striking someone in the face.
If the gaa don't uphold this red card we should be embarrassed.

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 13/07/2021 13:24:36    2359378

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Replying To TheBlackDeath:  "Yeah you'd hope the appeal doesn't succeed, but it probably has a good chance of getting overturned. It was a silly red to get, they had us well beaten at that stage and he didn't need to do it. But to strike twice and right behind the ref (the Cavan player's head nearly hit the ref second time he was pushed in the face) kind of makes it inexcusable."
Players head nearly hit ref because he pulled his head back not because of force. Shouldn't have happened but if it's not overturned players might as well take up tennis.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 13/07/2021 13:49:34    2359397

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "If I hit you in the face with my fist open or closed I am still hitting you in the face. Hitting someone in the face is striking someone in the face.
If the gaa don't uphold this red card we should be embarrassed."
Look I'm not arguing that the red card should be rescinded. I'm just saying that when I look at the wording of the rule and then consider the incident, McNamee may argue that he didn't strike/hit the player but pushed him in the face. The rule specifically states strike or attempt to strike. If an appeals committee agrees that push rather than strike describes McNamee's action the sanction may well be rescinded. No need for any embarrassment.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 13/07/2021 14:17:19    2359412

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Players head nearly hit ref because he pulled his head back not because of force. Shouldn't have happened but if it's not overturned players might as well take up tennis."
Tyrone fan saying it should be cancelled whatba surprise, even though he hit him in the face twice. You should be thankful he did not hit the deck but I suppose he didn't ruffle his hair which can be nearly fatal in Tyrone.

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 14/07/2021 06:59:20    2359639

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Some seriously short memories from Donegal fans here. Remember them saying it was an open handed slap and wasn't a red card

Colm O'Rourke and Joe Brolly slam Tyrone ace Michael McKernan for 'play acting' after a slap from Donegal's Paul Brennan https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/6094583/michael-mckernan-tyrone-donegal-colm-orourke-gaa/

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 14/07/2021 09:48:16    2359667

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If a push with an open hand is a Red Card now ,there will be very few players left on the field in any game.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 404 - 14/07/2021 10:01:55    2359677

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Look I'm not arguing that the red card should be rescinded. I'm just saying that when I look at the wording of the rule and then consider the incident, McNamee may argue that he didn't strike/hit the player but pushed him in the face. The rule specifically states strike or attempt to strike. If an appeals committee agrees that push rather than strike describes McNamee's action the sanction may well be rescinded. No need for any embarrassment."
But, it was a strike!

Definition of a strike below:

"hit forcibly and deliberately with one's hand or a weapon or other implement."

Regardless if it was open hand or close hand it was still a strike.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 14/07/2021 10:03:12    2359678

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Replying To TYE08:  "Some seriously short memories from Donegal fans here. Remember them saying it was an open handed slap and wasn't a red card

Colm O'Rourke and Joe Brolly slam Tyrone ace Michael McKernan for 'play acting' after a slap from Donegal's Paul Brennan https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/6094583/michael-mckernan-tyrone-donegal-colm-orourke-gaa/"
You've just proven why McNamees appeal shouldn't be overturned. Compare the two incidents. Are you telling me they are comparable from a force point of view. If so, you need a reality check.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 14/07/2021 10:16:01    2359680

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "If a push with an open hand is a Red Card now ,there will be very few players left on the field in any game."
What is wrong with some people. You can't go around the football field hitting boys with open palm strikes and expect to get away with it. Players shoulder barge and push each other on the chest. It's very rarely you see a player strike another player with force on the face with an open palm. It's a red card and deserves a 1 match game. If overturned it's opening a can of worms for the GAA that they just don't need right now.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 14/07/2021 10:18:48    2359683

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "But, it was a strike!

Definition of a strike below:

"hit forcibly and deliberately with one's hand or a weapon or other implement."

Regardless if it was open hand or close hand it was still a strike."
Then why didn't Paul Brennan get a red?
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https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/6094583/michael-mckernan-tyrone-donegal-colm-orourke-gaa/

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 14/07/2021 10:27:14    2359688

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "But, it was a strike!

Definition of a strike below:

"hit forcibly and deliberately with one's hand or a weapon or other implement."

Regardless if it was open hand or close hand it was still a strike."
It is all down to definitions. Definition of strike includes the word "hit" i.e. quickly and forcefully make contact (red card), definition of push "exert force to move other away, (not a red card). Agree open or closed hand not relevant other than one might find it more difficult to convince a committee it was a push if the fist was closed.
A red is also the sanction for behaviour dangerous to another player, e.g contact with the face but it's unlikely the ref used this option.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 14/07/2021 10:54:57    2359700

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "What is wrong with some people. You can't go around the football field hitting boys with open palm strikes and expect to get away with it. Players shoulder barge and push each other on the chest. It's very rarely you see a player strike another player with force on the face with an open palm. It's a red card and deserves a 1 match game. If overturned it's opening a can of worms for the GAA that they just don't need right now."
A lot of Donegal people getting very nervous about the game on Sunday.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 274 - 14/07/2021 11:04:03    2359712

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Whether it's overturned or not it was a stupid thing for McNamee to do, think I said on that thread that the Cavan man done himself and his county proud by staying on his feet and not trying to get the man sent off,
now that the Michael McKernan incident is brought up I'd add McKernan dived on the ground and spent a while then getting checked by medical staff for concussion? if he felt the wind from Paul Brennan's hand that was about the height of it, (Brennan was stupid too for raising his hand)
Raheem Sterling could take lessons from McKernan and Tiernan McCann, maybe he could have got that Danish defender sent off if he'd followed Michael McKernan's example?
Tyrone have bad form for this diving and play acting

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 14/07/2021 11:11:20    2359715

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "A lot of Donegal people getting very nervous about the game on Sunday."
Of course. Tyrone are one of the best teams in Ireland and it isn't going to be easy. First and foremost, I hope it's a good team. I genuinely feel it's going to go down to the wire, like all Tyrone/Donegal matches.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 14/07/2021 11:11:26    2359716

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "A lot of Donegal people getting very nervous about the game on Sunday."
We're big underdogs but hopefully we'll have it a good shot. Anyone know what is the attendance capped at this week.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2391 - 14/07/2021 11:12:04    2359717

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