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Tyrone Vs Donegal

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What does everyone think?
Donegal got away with complacency yesterday, but they are through and Murphy got some minutes although he is obviously not near fit.
Tyrone played well in patches, definitely more of an emphasis on the attacking side as they are actually playing the ball into the inside line

Hard one to call, with Armagh or Monaghan waiting in the wings

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 12/07/2021 11:58:09    2358946

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Replying To conman1282:  "What does everyone think?
Donegal got away with complacency yesterday, but they are through and Murphy got some minutes although he is obviously not near fit.
Tyrone played well in patches, definitely more of an emphasis on the attacking side as they are actually playing the ball into the inside line

Hard one to call, with Armagh or Monaghan waiting in the wings"
Think Tyrone will probably sense Donegal are there for the taking. From a Donegal perspective, everyone will need to step up from yesterday a level, no point looking to Murphy who isn't fit. Time for them to deliver as a collective and take another step. Great opportunity for both teams. If McNamee doesn't come back for this game Donegal should really target the Tyrone rearguard for goals at any half chance of it. We need more from certain players. Still glad to see us win when the pressure was on yesterday. No extra time was important too with a one week turnaround. McShane and McCurry the obvious targets for surveillance with no McKenna and Canavan, assuming they don't return this week.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1416 - 12/07/2021 12:07:41    2358954

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Think Martin Mc Hugh's rant at half time yesterday was telling and very surprising. He felt the best player's were not on the pitch, calling some of them not up to county standard. However they ended the game with probably their best team on the pitch. Donegal posters would have more insight here, Mc Niallas has to start as does Mc Shane for Tyrone. They have a new midfield that has potential. Could come down to what's on the sideline as much as on the pitch. Both sets of fan's playing down their sides chances.
Donegal maybe, then it's in Breswter Park so maybe Tyrone

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 12/07/2021 12:15:17    2358958

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If we sleep walk through this game Tyrone will put us to the sword and nothing surer. I think with McNamee gone and Murphy not fully fit, Bonner has to start his as an orthodox full forward and target that, especially early on.
It was good to see Langan and O'Donnell carry the fight yesterday. I've been critical of Paul Brennan in the past but he made a good impression when introduced.

We simply need to get meaner in defense too. We get bodies back but there is zero contact or pressure being applied. Intensity levels, or lack thereof was shocking to see. It will never happen, but a couple of good sharp McGuinness training sessions might liven them up a bit.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9769 - 12/07/2021 12:25:37    2358963

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "If we sleep walk through this game Tyrone will put us to the sword and nothing surer. I think with McNamee gone and Murphy not fully fit, Bonner has to start his as an orthodox full forward and target that, especially early on.
It was good to see Langan and O'Donnell carry the fight yesterday. I've been critical of Paul Brennan in the past but he made a good impression when introduced.

We simply need to get meaner in defense too. We get bodies back but there is zero contact or pressure being applied. Intensity levels, or lack thereof was shocking to see. It will never happen, but a couple of good sharp McGuinness training sessions might liven them up a bit."
It's a team brimming with ability and crying out for Jim's hard edge isn't it. But on we go as we are anyway, we need Bonner and co now to prove their worth from here on.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1416 - 12/07/2021 12:46:10    2358972

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Hard to know, 2 even enough teams according to the bookies, new management team in Tyrone and a lot of us aren't convinced with the Donegal management either, probably going to be close,
it will come down as usual to who takes more of their chances and makes the least mistakes, we've stuttered badly in league games and looked like we were heading for the exit door yesterday except Derry weren't clinical enough and were unlucky not to score a goal or 2 truth be told.
Vital that Murphy and Mac Niallas start this one, we can't afford to let Tyrone get away from us.
So I'm going into this in hope we can find some true form I know we are capable of, I'm very wary of Tyrone though and with our patchy form this year I'd make Tyrone favs in my book but not by much, the other semi final is fascinating too, again I'd make Monaghan slight favs based on experience for that.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3201 - 12/07/2021 13:20:02    2358982

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I don't think we have played our best 15 yet in their proper positions but I don't expect that to change as Bonner seems to like certain players. Eoin Mc Hugh is certainly not worth his place and Eoin Ban is not a man-marker. If we have any chance against Tyrone we need to start four players that didn't start yesterday: Paul Brennan/Daire O'Baoil at No.6, Peader Mogan as sweeper, Mac Niallais in at HF and Murphy to FF with Eoin Mc Hugh, Ciaran Thompson, Ethan O' Donnell and Jamie Brennan making way.

Even with these changes we need to up the intensity substantially to have any chance.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 12/07/2021 13:40:45    2358993

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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu:  "I don't think we have played our best 15 yet in their proper positions but I don't expect that to change as Bonner seems to like certain players. Eoin Mc Hugh is certainly not worth his place and Eoin Ban is not a man-marker. If we have any chance against Tyrone we need to start four players that didn't start yesterday: Paul Brennan/Daire O'Baoil at No.6, Peader Mogan as sweeper, Mac Niallais in at HF and Murphy to FF with Eoin Mc Hugh, Ciaran Thompson, Ethan O' Donnell and Jamie Brennan making way.

Even with these changes we need to up the intensity substantially to have any chance."
I was going to bring up the Martin McHugh comments but this leads to it. From what I read a lot of Donegal fans would agree with McHugh's comments?

You mention a few players there…..to be honest I'd pay for a Jaime Brennan or Thompson for Tyrone. I know Thompson isn't in great form at the moment and Brennan wasn't great yesterday but they are quality players.

I never thought Brian Kennedy to be county standard for Tyrone, but yesterday he was very good so must have been going well in training.

Listen it's 50/50 next week. That Derry game will bring you on leaps and bounds. Huge that it was O'Donnell/Langan/McGonnigle that got you over the line against Derry. They are maturing and will lead the team and force the best out of Murphy/McBrerty/McHugh etc.

Kick outs are massive. Donegal have hurt us time and again with their kick outs and it's a worry.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 12/07/2021 13:52:23    2359001

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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu:  "I don't think we have played our best 15 yet in their proper positions but I don't expect that to change as Bonner seems to like certain players. Eoin Mc Hugh is certainly not worth his place and Eoin Ban is not a man-marker. If we have any chance against Tyrone we need to start four players that didn't start yesterday: Paul Brennan/Daire O'Baoil at No.6, Peader Mogan as sweeper, Mac Niallais in at HF and Murphy to FF with Eoin Mc Hugh, Ciaran Thompson, Ethan O' Donnell and Jamie Brennan making way.

Even with these changes we need to up the intensity substantially to have any chance."
Agreed with you there. There seems to be a school of thought that you're better off finishing with your strongest team than starting with it. I can see some merit in that, but against Tyrone when it's so evenly matched I think we should start our strongest available 15. Then introduce the likes of Jamie Brennan, Gallen, Conor O'Donnell etc that have the pace and finishing ability to punish tiring defenses.

One thing that is for sure is that we need to get a lot tighter defensively and up the ante big time in terms of intensity. Yesterday's almost casual approach simply won't cut it from now on.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9769 - 12/07/2021 14:04:34    2359008

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Think Martin Mc Hugh's rant at half time yesterday was telling and very surprising. He felt the best player's were not on the pitch, calling some of them not up to county standard. However they ended the game with probably their best team on the pitch. Donegal posters would have more insight here, Mc Niallas has to start as does Mc Shane for Tyrone. They have a new midfield that has potential. Could come down to what's on the sideline as much as on the pitch. Both sets of fan's playing down their sides chances.
Donegal maybe, then it's in Breswter Park so maybe Tyrone"
Yes thought it was strange myself, especially since he has a son on the panel. Seemed very passionate about it. Maybe he has an eye on the job

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 410 - 12/07/2021 14:21:30    2359017

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "Yes thought it was strange myself, especially since he has a son on the panel. Seemed very passionate about it. Maybe he has an eye on the job"
Easy coming out with statements like that when you don't back it up. Hopefully highland radio will do the decent thing and ask him for more clarity on it. Very unfair on Ryan I must add . I heard Rory was very vocal on the line to let certain Donegal players have the ball.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2616 - 12/07/2021 15:48:09    2359063

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There is no way starting Murphy has any real merit to me. If he goes off after 15/20 mins injured, what then? Wouldn't it be better to bring him in with 15 minutes left if the game is close, when space starts to open up? I absolutely agree Donegal need to get team selection right but I don't feel that includes starting Murphy. Would rather have him for the last 15 minutes than the first 15 minutes. In saying that, the rest of team as stated earlier need to find another level on Sunday. Anything less and Tyrone win. I feel we can do it. No Canavan, McNamee or McKenna, if that indeed is the case, leaves Tyrone as vulnerable as we are without Murphy fully fit. I feel we have more scorers spread all over the field. As someone else mentioned, no harm to Eoin McHugh or Ethan O'Donnell, two good players but if MacNiallais is good to go, he needs to start. Brendan McCole too in corner back. Is Mogan injured? A seriously able player.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1416 - 12/07/2021 15:48:57    2359068

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I am nailing my colours to the mast. I don't care what Martin Mc Hugh said it will be a Donegal v Monaghan final. Tyrone aren't at the races. They haven't got their best team together yet and that's partially due to injuries.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 910 - 12/07/2021 19:36:55    2359140

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Replying To 97Cavans:  "Yes thought it was strange myself, especially since he has a son on the panel. Seemed very passionate about it. Maybe he has an eye on the job"
I'd say he feels that there is a possible opportunity this year or next to pick up one or both of the big ones. Like ourselves with Mc Manus, the clock is ticking for Murphy, they are both picking up injuries more easily. His frustration seems to be that there is no time for faffing about trying out options when they already have a team good enough to compete for the big one. Just get them all on the pitch. My own opinion is he may be right, he does not usually knock his own on public like that, or indeed anyone else

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 12/07/2021 19:47:47    2359144

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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu:  "I don't think we have played our best 15 yet in their proper positions but I don't expect that to change as Bonner seems to like certain players. Eoin Mc Hugh is certainly not worth his place and Eoin Ban is not a man-marker. If we have any chance against Tyrone we need to start four players that didn't start yesterday: Paul Brennan/Daire O'Baoil at No.6, Peader Mogan as sweeper, Mac Niallais in at HF and Murphy to FF with Eoin Mc Hugh, Ciaran Thompson, Ethan O' Donnell and Jamie Brennan making way.

Even with these changes we need to up the intensity substantially to have any chance."
What happened to C Ward , was the best defender and scoring a few points before Covid lock down, since then he has got very little game time and was not even in the 26 panel last day, is he injured?

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 478 - 12/07/2021 21:54:32    2359190

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I'm expecting big games from Mc Kenna and Canavan. Both fit and ready for action going by reports. How donegal cope with this brilliant Tyrone attack will tell.

Murphy won't start which will give Tyrone a good boost.

Think Jamie Brennan has to start.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 12/07/2021 23:28:48    2359226

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "I'm expecting big games from Mc Kenna and Canavan. Both fit and ready for action going by reports. How donegal cope with this brilliant Tyrone attack will tell.

Murphy won't start which will give Tyrone a good boost.

Think Jamie Brennan has to start."
Dont think either is available to be honest. Cant wait to see McGee on McShane, have they marked eachother before?

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 13/07/2021 16:06:33    2359458

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Replying To conman1282:  "Dont think either is available to be honest. Cant wait to see McGee on McShane, have they marked eachother before?"
Think they did in 2019 alright. But that was a weird game in that we got away from Tyrone quite early in that match and sort of held them at arms length comfortably enough. The match-ups will be interesting for sure. McCurry looks in great nick, can see Stephen McMenamin getting that job and McGee on McShane if he starts,

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9769 - 13/07/2021 16:16:52    2359462

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Eoin McHugh is 100% not near intercounty standard but I doubt that was who Martin McHugh was referring to. I wonder if he is positioning himself for a crack at the Senior Manager role. He was right to call it out. We can't keep allowing individual performances that are not conducive to our aims and goals. Let them play club.
Ciaran Thompson had an a poor league, two poor performances in the Ulster Championship. He has the quality but needs to be benched. He's in the half forward line and needs to act like it.
Not a fan of Paul Brennan but it looked like benching him for a while did no harm.
Ryan, McMenamin, Eoin Ban, Ethan, McCole a long way from good enough yesterday for lads of their ability, need an improvement or to be
dropped for next week.
Great leadership from Neil, even if his kicking sucks and his pace has diminished.
OMcFF will improve with time, given his long break as will MacNiallais who was solid.
Hugh McFadden, bar a few early blocks and tackles was poor and isn't a leader.
Michael Langan is showing future captain material, playing well when the team isn't.
Brennan, McBrearty phenomenal in small patches but anonymous for too long, not helped by a lack of good ball into the forwards.
Apart from the wide count, super scores from Niall O Donnell. McGonagle continuing to impress.
Criminal that we were forced to bring Murphy on against Derry with 4 points down with 20mins to go. He steadied the ship.
Rory Gallagher screaming to bring it down the left side as we have nobody that can tackle there. There were reports of him screaming at his players to let a Donegal player have the ball as he is so poor in possession that he poses no danger. Not sure who the player was.
Eoin Ban, Ryan McHugh can't tackle or stop men.
Does anyone know who was giving tactical instructions to Bonner on the 64th min? Bonner looked clueless, whoever it was looked like he was going to take a stroke. Mogan should have played, if he is injured Bonner is back at filling our much needed bench with guys he knows won't feature. His poor tactical nous and team selection is frightening.
Daire O Baoill, Caolan Ward not the answer either. They're not good enough. I think Conor O Donnell and Jason McGee are the most impressive of what was unused to come off the bench.
Tyrone will hockey us if he fails to motivate his team for the next match.

StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 144 - 14/07/2021 11:59:59    2359736

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Replying To StockholmGael:  "Eoin McHugh is 100% not near intercounty standard but I doubt that was who Martin McHugh was referring to. I wonder if he is positioning himself for a crack at the Senior Manager role. He was right to call it out. We can't keep allowing individual performances that are not conducive to our aims and goals. Let them play club.
Ciaran Thompson had an a poor league, two poor performances in the Ulster Championship. He has the quality but needs to be benched. He's in the half forward line and needs to act like it.
Not a fan of Paul Brennan but it looked like benching him for a while did no harm.
Ryan, McMenamin, Eoin Ban, Ethan, McCole a long way from good enough yesterday for lads of their ability, need an improvement or to be
dropped for next week.
Great leadership from Neil, even if his kicking sucks and his pace has diminished.
OMcFF will improve with time, given his long break as will MacNiallais who was solid.
Hugh McFadden, bar a few early blocks and tackles was poor and isn't a leader.
Michael Langan is showing future captain material, playing well when the team isn't.
Brennan, McBrearty phenomenal in small patches but anonymous for too long, not helped by a lack of good ball into the forwards.
Apart from the wide count, super scores from Niall O Donnell. McGonagle continuing to impress.
Criminal that we were forced to bring Murphy on against Derry with 4 points down with 20mins to go. He steadied the ship.
Rory Gallagher screaming to bring it down the left side as we have nobody that can tackle there. There were reports of him screaming at his players to let a Donegal player have the ball as he is so poor in possession that he poses no danger. Not sure who the player was.
Eoin Ban, Ryan McHugh can't tackle or stop men.
Does anyone know who was giving tactical instructions to Bonner on the 64th min? Bonner looked clueless, whoever it was looked like he was going to take a stroke. Mogan should have played, if he is injured Bonner is back at filling our much needed bench with guys he knows won't feature. His poor tactical nous and team selection is frightening.
Daire O Baoill, Caolan Ward not the answer either. They're not good enough. I think Conor O Donnell and Jason McGee are the most impressive of what was unused to come off the bench.
Tyrone will hockey us if he fails to motivate his team for the next match."
You've a lot to say for a man with only 3 posts, you just discovered the Hoganstand forum?
I agree about Bonner, great player and a great Donegal man but these lads need a new manager that knows what he's at fast.
I wonder would Jim come back in to lead us again, has to be tempting for him with the talent we have but he doesn't like the CB politics.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3201 - 14/07/2021 13:12:52    2359759

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