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Replying To jimbodub: "I didn't think it was a penalty in real time and the replays confirmed it. Not sure what happened with the VAR checks..
Think England finished the stronger team, fairly obvious Denmark were knackered and only really interested in holding on and wanting to chance their luck in a peno shootout. Doesn't make the decision right of course but the English were well on top and got a very dodgy decision off the back of that pressure.
Hats off to Denmark, a class act given the terrible circumstances. A team that will be long remembered and celebrated for all the right reasons. Denmark can rightly be very proud of their efforts.
Italy seem a very strong team and have got to the final on the tougher side. Big pressure on England now, as a nation haven't been in a final of such significance for 55 years. That's a huge gap and the pedigree just isn't there to bring a natural bit of confidence. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the pressure. Sometimes you need to lose one to win one.
Italy the far more prestigious opponent and have got to the final the hard way through good teams. They have plenty of experience as a nation at this high level.
If England win it then they will have beaten a serious team in very good form and be worthy winners. It's hard to stomach laser lights and the booing of national anthems but none of that is unique only to the English support.
Is it 30 odd games now unbeaten for Italy? That's some achievement.
Italy have been the team of the tournament beating quality sides, that's why I hope they win." For Italy losing Spinazzola is a huge loss, he's been by far their best player and his loss was clear when they played Spain.
Hopefully Italy will pepper butter fingers in the England goal early on.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/07/2021 21:01:08
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I fancied England to win the tournament from the very beginning because of the quality and depth of their squad and their relatively easy passage to the final. For this reason I bet on England to win the tournament and stand to earn a nice little wad of money if they win the final. Even so, I will be cheering for Italy on Sunday and really hoping that Italy will win it. That might seem strange to a lot of people but what it means is that I bet / make financial decisions with my head but I support teams with my heart and the heart is more important to me. By the way, I don't support any English club team , and I have nothing against them at all. It's just that England is not my country and the Premiership is not my country's league so I don't feel any connection to any of the Premiership teams.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 08/07/2021 21:20:53
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If you can't see the difference in all this then there's no point wasting much time with you. People want to see elite level sports whatever country happens to play host to that. If the sport is weak in an individuals own country its hardly the individuals fault, that's just the way the bread is buttered. It doesn't mean treason to your own country because you're not an avid supporter of a bog standard league that nobody really cares about. The global viewing figures for the PL should be more than enough to disprove your point on that.
The NBA point, tell me why its irrelevant? America provides the stage and the world follows, just like England with the PL. Unless of course you see all the overseas NBA fans as hypocrites for not cheering on their local leisure centre's strung together basketball side too.
Just because England is closer to Ireland than Italy doesn't mean that they are brothers in arms when it comes to national identity and preference. Plenty of examples of rival nations living next door to each other who get on well in everyday life but have their allegiances well and truly crystal clear a few times per year. Try to see the difference before calling the world 'hypocrites'
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2198 - 08/07/2021 17:39:47 It is the individuals fault if the sport is far weaker in their own country because they dont support, financially or in person the clubs in their own country. If a lot of players instead of moving to england at 16 to play pro stayed in ireland in LOI, and then more fans got involved here supporting irish players in irish teams then of course it would be better and yes it is individuals fault they choose to support english clubs with few irish players playing
NBA point is completely irrelevant because its completely different. The many europeans who follow basketball etc are primarily focused on their sides first and NBA sides second. The fans in Greece will follow AEK and Panathinaikos etc while Spanish fans will follow Barca, Real Madrid, Germans Bayern etc
England is way closer than Italy in national identity and preference to Ireland for very obvious reasons - language, culture etc which are far more similar.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3509 - 08/07/2021 21:27:45
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Replying To DuhallowRed: "tá sé ag teacht abhaile" Tabhair Kasper an freagra ceart don caint sin.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 08/07/2021 21:42:12
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WHY IS THIS THREAD NOT ON THE ELEVEN A SIDE FORUM ?.
it has no place on a GAA forum… admin please move it.
there is a topic there already about the euros.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 08/07/2021 21:44:53
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Replying To Rolo2010: "Yeah. But those same folks also want England to lose in rugby or cricket or for GB to do poorly in the Olympics. No hooliganism there." Most right thinking people should want England to lose at all sports, not only sports but add in wars. As for that muck soccer, well it's a foreign hooligans sport where England are concerned. Their rugby teams not far behind, are we going to forget what their captain did to the President of Ireland. Ignorant to the core.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2012 - 08/07/2021 21:51:31
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Replying To KillingFields: "They support english clubs filled with all these players and totally disregard/dismiss the clubs in their own country and its mainly the top english teams that irish people support and then will not in any way support the english national team. its very hypocritical.
There is extensive connections with the english team with players of irish heritage and yes some chose england over ireland but they have/had more significant ties with england.
On the point you make about NBA its irrelevant and totally different.
You may have visited italy more than England but that certainly isnt the case for about 99% of irish people
In no way can you say more irish people have a closer affiliation to italy though" Killingfields a lot of Irish people would have a close affiliation with Italy due to the pope. And by the way I am not religious. I don't go to church, I am pro choice, for same sex marriage and for divorce. There are a lot of English people who don't bother supporting the National team especially in the North in cities such as Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle.
Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 784 - 08/07/2021 21:56:26
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I enjoy watching the Euro's and the world cup when it comes around and enjoy cheering against England.
I am not anti English people, I often get on well with them when I meet them.
Maybe partly down to history, fan behaviour (they seem to have more horrible fans than other teams) but what it is mainly down to is the fact that we are a small country in the shadow of a big country, it's completely natural we would cheer against them.
Any one over analysing hasn't much understanding of how sports rivalry work.
I remember watching a Denis Law (former Man United player) interview, he was asked what was his feelings when England won the world cup, he just answered ' the ba*tard's'
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1346 - 08/07/2021 22:05:32
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Replying To s goldrick: "WHY IS THIS THREAD NOT ON THE ELEVEN A SIDE FORUM ?.
it has no place on a GAA forum… admin please move it.
there is a topic there already about the euros." Why not?
Sure nobody posts in the other sports or elevenaside forums any more.
should either have everything in this main forum or a better split of topics as forums so have a competition format forum with threads just discussing formats of inter county and club competitions, an colleges forum to discuss the minor and under 20 competitions as well as fitzgibbon/sigerson and then hurling forum, a rules forum where rules questions and queries etc can be answered.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3509 - 08/07/2021 22:10:05
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Replying To KillingFields: "What you implying?
Do you support a premier league team?
Do you watch english soccer a lot? If you do then its extremely petty to be totally against england winning this..." You're talking rubbish. Just because you sport a Premier League doesn't mean you support England. I support Arsenal. American owner, Brazilian director of football, Spanish manager, captain from Gabon, only one player in English squad. Totally distinct from England. Cmon Italy !
Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 75 - 08/07/2021 22:16:18
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Italy for me, but mainly because I've some Italian friends.
I've enjoyed England's progress. If they win I'll be happy for Southgate who seems to a really good guy, and also the group of players he has chosen to represent their Country/ They seem grounded and like all top sides, work their socks off.
Really looking forward to the final.
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 08/07/2021 22:36:06
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The Scots,Welsh and Irish and most European countries love to see England getting beaten in sport and so do I.
Nobody likes to support the oppressor unless of course its Stockholm Syndrome and there is a tiny bit of that in Ireland and among a tiny Irish minority in England.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/07/2021 22:42:13
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My family is married into the Italians. My wife's sister has lived all her life in England and the niece and nephew big England supporters. So I have to be carefull or two faced. Not sure which I am better at. Others probable know. In reality I could not give a sh-t who wins.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 08/07/2021 22:56:21
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Replying To Rebel2020: "You're talking rubbish. Just because you sport a Premier League doesn't mean you support England. I support Arsenal. American owner, Brazilian director of football, Spanish manager, captain from Gabon, only one player in English squad. Totally distinct from England. Cmon Italy !" Still an English club.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 08/07/2021 23:03:51
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Replying To ONdeDITCH: "The Scots,Welsh and Irish and most European countries love to see England getting beaten in sport and so do I.
Nobody likes to support the oppressor unless of course its Stockholm Syndrome and there is a tiny bit of that in Ireland and among a tiny Irish minority in England." There's Stockholm Syndrome among the Irish in England. Or are you just shaming people for being happy over there. You lads need to get a grip.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 08/07/2021 23:08:24
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Replying To Rebel2020: "You're talking rubbish. Just because you sport a Premier League doesn't mean you support England. I support Arsenal. American owner, Brazilian director of football, Spanish manager, captain from Gabon, only one player in English squad. Totally distinct from England. Cmon Italy !" Arsenal yeah always a great team. I guess you ré following them for years. Great players like Tony Adams Ian Wright Alan Smith David Seaman (all English) and of course Thierry Henry the man who cheated Ireland.All jokes aside though. I often heard Irish men in pubs singing soccer songs in English accents and then shout against England. If they don't like England why use their accent.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 08/07/2021 23:09:24
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Replying To Ollie2: "Killingfields a lot of Irish people would have a close affiliation with Italy due to the pope. And by the way I am not religious. I don't go to church, I am pro choice, for same sex marriage and for divorce. There are a lot of English people who don't bother supporting the National team especially in the North in cities such as Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle." My grandparents were big fans of the Pope. Never heard them mention Italy. They had more in common with their cousins from St. Helens and Coventry.
Places like Liverpool and Manchester are the strongest areas of support for the national team. London and affluent areas in the South tend to be the least supportive as they prefer cricket and rugby.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 08/07/2021 23:14:21
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Replying To Saynothing: "Most right thinking people should want England to lose at all sports, not only sports but add in wars. As for that muck soccer, well it's a foreign hooligans sport where England are concerned. Their rugby teams not far behind, are we going to forget what their captain did to the President of Ireland. Ignorant to the core." Well I'm actually glad they won WW2 given what the other side were up to. I am not going to hate my family and friends just because they are English. Drop the faux nationalism. It's pathetic.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 08/07/2021 23:16:43
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Hoganstand gone to hell. Hosting a soccer thread. Seriously I couldn't give a flying duck who wins the Euros!
P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 105 - 09/07/2021 00:21:31
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Replying To KillingFields: "If you can't see the difference in all this then there's no point wasting much time with you. People want to see elite level sports whatever country happens to play host to that. If the sport is weak in an individuals own country its hardly the individuals fault, that's just the way the bread is buttered. It doesn't mean treason to your own country because you're not an avid supporter of a bog standard league that nobody really cares about. The global viewing figures for the PL should be more than enough to disprove your point on that.
The NBA point, tell me why its irrelevant? America provides the stage and the world follows, just like England with the PL. Unless of course you see all the overseas NBA fans as hypocrites for not cheering on their local leisure centre's strung together basketball side too.
Just because England is closer to Ireland than Italy doesn't mean that they are brothers in arms when it comes to national identity and preference. Plenty of examples of rival nations living next door to each other who get on well in everyday life but have their allegiances well and truly crystal clear a few times per year. Try to see the difference before calling the world 'hypocrites'
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2198 - 08/07/2021 17:39:47 It is the individuals fault if the sport is far weaker in their own country because they dont support, financially or in person the clubs in their own country. If a lot of players instead of moving to england at 16 to play pro stayed in ireland in LOI, and then more fans got involved here supporting irish players in irish teams then of course it would be better and yes it is individuals fault they choose to support english clubs with few irish players playing
NBA point is completely irrelevant because its completely different. The many europeans who follow basketball etc are primarily focused on their sides first and NBA sides second. The fans in Greece will follow AEK and Panathinaikos etc while Spanish fans will follow Barca, Real Madrid, Germans Bayern etc
England is way closer than Italy in national identity and preference to Ireland for very obvious reasons - language, culture etc which are far more similar." The elephant in the room here in our own sport...the GAA. Imagine if instead of the local GAA field, every village and town in Ireland was cantered around the local soccer club. Fact is the GAA is the heart and soul of Ireland and one can only imagine if the GAA didn't exist. My nearest LOI club is Galway or Sligo. I've no affiliation to either team.
I follow an English team yes but let's face it I'm an armchair fan who goes over once a year at best. My real love is my own local GAA club where I play and coach and my county.
I'd much rather see my club or county win an All Ireland than see Ireland win the euros or World Cup in soccer. I don't think I'm alone in that.
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