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Forza Italia

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4504 - 08/07/2021 17:32:08    2357779

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Replying To KillingFields:  "They support english clubs filled with all these players and totally disregard/dismiss the clubs in their own country and its mainly the top english teams that irish people support and then will not in any way support the english national team. its very hypocritical.

There is extensive connections with the english team with players of irish heritage and yes some chose england over ireland but they have/had more significant ties with england.
On the point you make about NBA its irrelevant and totally different.
You may have visited italy more than England but that certainly isnt the case for about 99% of irish people
In no way can you say more irish people have a closer affiliation to italy though"
Good chippers.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 08/07/2021 17:32:37    2357780

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Replying To KillingFields:  "They support english clubs filled with all these players and totally disregard/dismiss the clubs in their own country and its mainly the top english teams that irish people support and then will not in any way support the english national team. its very hypocritical.

There is extensive connections with the english team with players of irish heritage and yes some chose england over ireland but they have/had more significant ties with england.
On the point you make about NBA its irrelevant and totally different.
You may have visited italy more than England but that certainly isnt the case for about 99% of irish people
In no way can you say more irish people have a closer affiliation to italy though"
If you can't see the difference in all this then there's no point wasting much time with you. People want to see elite level sports whatever country happens to play host to that. If the sport is weak in an individuals own country its hardly the individuals fault, that's just the way the bread is buttered. It doesn't mean treason to your own country because you're not an avid supporter of a bog standard league that nobody really cares about. The global viewing figures for the PL should be more than enough to disprove your point on that.

The NBA point, tell me why its irrelevant? America provides the stage and the world follows, just like England with the PL. Unless of course you see all the overseas NBA fans as hypocrites for not cheering on their local leisure centre's strung together basketball side too.

Just because England is closer to Ireland than Italy doesn't mean that they are brothers in arms when it comes to national identity and preference. Plenty of examples of rival nations living next door to each other who get on well in everyday life but have their allegiances well and truly crystal clear a few times per year. Try to see the difference before calling the world 'hypocrites'

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2557 - 08/07/2021 17:39:47    2357784

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I have no interest in soccer and haven't for a number of years. I would like Italy to win as my brother in law was Italian, so for my sister. Not cause of any prejudice towards England, who most of the people giving out about them winning are probably doing so while wearing Liverpool or Man Utd tops and in a couple of weeks talking about "us" and "we" when referring to either. I call them sorts "gobsh1tes".

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/07/2021 17:46:59    2357791

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Replying To captainshamrock:  "Soccer is so boring.... I watched The Repair Shop instead.... horrible to see some idiot with a laser... saying that didn't a Mayo footballer throw his gps tracter at Rock in the All-Ireland a few ago... but this is a GAA site, plenty of places to talk soccer if you desire."
What's the repair shop? Fixing bicycles is it ?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11540 - 08/07/2021 18:00:55    2357792

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I'll probably shout for Italy because I always had a soft spot for Italian soccer growing up watching AC Milan and Juventus teams in the 90's. Roberto Baggio and Alessandro del Piero I grew up loving these players. Even in 2006 I was in awe of Fabio Cannavaro performances in that world cup.

But saying that I wouldn't begrudge England if they win, with the players and squads they had down through the years they should have won a major tournament. They would have won something too in the 80's if the FA put Brian Clough and Peter Taylor in charge after they won those 2 European cups with Forrest.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 08/07/2021 18:20:13    2357794

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My 4 year old daughter summed it up like this.

" I like Pizza and English mustard is yuck"
(She had it once at her granny's house)
Even without the history that sort of logic is good enough for me.

Forza Italia.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 08/07/2021 18:34:40    2357802

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tá sé ag teacht abhaile

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 309 - 08/07/2021 18:34:49    2357803

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "How did you see the idiot with the laser if you were watching the repair shop ?

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I can read the newspapers mate.... multitasking, I guess!

captainshamrock (Kerry) - Posts: 23 - 08/07/2021 18:35:07    2357804

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Hope Italy hammer them!!!!

Can't stand the English supporters. To be fair this isn't the most horrible of England teams, it's more the fans

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 08/07/2021 18:55:28    2357810

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Italy to score with 20 minutes stop go and then go on the greatest time wasting exhibition the world has ever seen.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 390 - 08/07/2021 19:02:04    2357812

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There's not a country in Europe, maybe the world , who will be shouting for England.

All a shower of hyprocites….and I'm proud to be among them.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1722 - 08/07/2021 19:09:34    2357814

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I love Italy and Italian people anyway so I'd always be supporting Italy against anyone unless they are playing Ireland, I think the issue with England is that people can't stand their fans, from the hooligans years ago to the ones now that boo opposing countries anthems etc, I'll never forget the scenes in Lansdowne Rd in 1995.
Nothing really to do with 800 years of occupation/oppression of the Irish people for me though I suppose that's always there, it's bred into you.
I don't support any soccer team and I agree about the fools that will be hissing abuse at England on Sunday but in a month or 2 will be going about supporting English club teams with these same players and saying things like 'we got beat today' etc. there's no we in it, it's a club in a foreign country, if you must support a soccer team find one in your own town or county.
So anyway we'll be saying the rosary here on Sunday evening for Italy and hoping they stuff the English 4.0
Italia Abu.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3172 - 08/07/2021 19:10:04    2357815

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It doesn't really bother me if England win or not, but can't understand how people follow the Premier League, week in ,week out, wear the club jersey but are then totally anti England when it comes to International duty. I remember in 03 when England won the RWC, RTE raised the question how come we're all about David Beckham or Michael Owen when they're playing with their clubs but when they put on the English jersey, we don't want to have anything to do with them.

TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 08/07/2021 19:37:18    2357822

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Mayo could add lasers to the GPS throwing, any rules against it?

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1226 - 08/07/2021 19:45:05    2357824

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I didn't think it was a penalty in real time and the replays confirmed it. Not sure what happened with the VAR checks..

Think England finished the stronger team, fairly obvious Denmark were knackered and only really interested in holding on and wanting to chance their luck in a peno shootout. Doesn't make the decision right of course but the English were well on top and got a very dodgy decision off the back of that pressure.

Hats off to Denmark, a class act given the terrible circumstances. A team that will be long remembered and celebrated for all the right reasons. Denmark can rightly be very proud of their efforts.

Italy seem a very strong team and have got to the final on the tougher side. Big pressure on England now, as a nation haven't been in a final of such significance for 55 years. That's a huge gap and the pedigree just isn't there to bring a natural bit of confidence. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the pressure. Sometimes you need to lose one to win one.

Italy the far more prestigious opponent and have got to the final the hard way through good teams. They have plenty of experience as a nation at this high level.

If England win it then they will have beaten a serious team in very good form and be worthy winners. It's hard to stomach laser lights and the booing of national anthems but none of that is unique only to the English support.

Is it 30 odd games now unbeaten for Italy? That's some achievement.

Italy have been the team of the tournament beating quality sides, that's why I hope they win.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/07/2021 19:59:21    2357826

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Replying To TippRed:  "It doesn't really bother me if England win or not, but can't understand how people follow the Premier League, week in ,week out, wear the club jersey but are then totally anti England when it comes to International duty. I remember in 03 when England won the RWC, RTE raised the question how come we're all about David Beckham or Michael Owen when they're playing with their clubs but when they put on the English jersey, we don't want to have anything to do with them."
People like elite sports and pick their horse in the race while they're at it. It doesn't mean they take a blood oath to the country that's hosting it. I follow most elite leagues in Europe as best i can but the easiest one to find is the PL and always has been. I'd be delighted if Ireland was home to that. But it isn't and never will be. I think most people on here would admit they dont have much against any of the players personally, but the toxic media, supporters and politicians are intolerable even to my unionist friends up here. It surely isnt too hard to figure why people see a difference between a multinational club based in England and the England national team.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2557 - 08/07/2021 20:04:39    2357827

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I love Italy and Italian people anyway so I'd always be supporting Italy against anyone unless they are playing Ireland, I think the issue with England is that people can't stand their fans, from the hooligans years ago to the ones now that boo opposing countries anthems etc, I'll never forget the scenes in Lansdowne Rd in 1995.
Nothing really to do with 800 years of occupation/oppression of the Irish people for me though I suppose that's always there, it's bred into you.
I don't support any soccer team and I agree about the fools that will be hissing abuse at England on Sunday but in a month or 2 will be going about supporting English club teams with these same players and saying things like 'we got beat today' etc. there's no we in it, it's a club in a foreign country, if you must support a soccer team find one in your own town or county.
So anyway we'll be saying the rosary here on Sunday evening for Italy and hoping they stuff the English 4.0
Italia Abu."
Yeah. But those same folks also want England to lose in rugby or cricket or for GB to do poorly in the Olympics. No hooliganism there.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 08/07/2021 20:04:46    2357828

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We could have the first capped senior Irish international to win a major tournament I guess ;).

I don't care either way though; it looks like everything has aligned for them to win a major championship, looking in from the outside it is remarkable they haven't been more successful with the players they've had down the years.

My theory is this team have got a bit of luck; draw/home games etc and before their big players become major stars and agents get too involved.

Half a dozen if not more of them are ready to move in big money deals and I think that'll change the whole mentality of their squad, and the same problems they had in the past will return with money/agents/sponsors etc dictating things. I don't think they'll get a better chance to win a major championship and it's hard to see them letting this opportunity slip especially with a home stadium.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 08/07/2021 20:31:32    2357834

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "People like elite sports and pick their horse in the race while they're at it. It doesn't mean they take a blood oath to the country that's hosting it. I follow most elite leagues in Europe as best i can but the easiest one to find is the PL and always has been. I'd be delighted if Ireland was home to that. But it isn't and never will be. I think most people on here would admit they dont have much against any of the players personally, but the toxic media, supporters and politicians are intolerable even to my unionist friends up here. It surely isnt too hard to figure why people see a difference between a multinational club based in England and the England national team."
They are English clubs, not multinational clubs. It's the English Premier League. The nationality of their players is irrelevant.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 08/07/2021 20:57:41    2357848

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