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The joint effort to host 2030 WC is a major concern to me. Euro 2020 in Wembley has left a terrible stain on England, some aspects of it are similar to the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. The racism that we saw on the 12th of July in the Northeast of Ireland is just adding to it. The good English are not able to control the bad eggs as they literally invaded Wembley without tickets. We should not co-host anything with them. They ripped up Landsdowne RoadI the last time they were here I believe. I never watch Premier League so its easy for me to be against working with the English and I do appreciate that most Irish sports fans like English soccer. However, racism is never acceptable and it is time for Ireland to say no to England for once. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 13/07/2021 13:52:03 2359400 Link
Whilst it is unfair on the genuine soccer fans I think a pragmatic view should now be taken regarding a 2030 World Cup bid. It was already going to be difficult for the UK and Ireland to win that bid; with the process started and votes around 18 months away what happened at the weekend may impact on some votes from that process, personally I think that bid is now lost before it really begins. If the voting system is leaning towards Europe I think majority will now go with Spain/Portugal. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 13/07/2021 14:00:36 2359402 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Government buildings? Were you as concerned about the people living in north county Dublin who had to put up with a week of violence at the start of the year." Yes, I was and am, as I have relatives that live not too far away. And I am no friend of that particular ideology, as I've said on here a few times before. But a destabilization of the North would make those incidents look like a child's picnic. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2021 14:07:13 2359408 Link
Replying To sam1884: "Whilst it is unfair on the genuine soccer fans I think a pragmatic view should now be taken regarding a 2030 World Cup bid. It was already going to be difficult for the UK and Ireland to win that bid; with the process started and votes around 18 months away what happened at the weekend may impact on some votes from that process, personally I think that bid is now lost before it really begins. If the voting system is leaning towards Europe I think majority will now go with Spain/Portugal." Yep. The English are already disliked due to the exco voting privileges but now with this they have no hope and we will just sink money into a bid for nothing Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 13/07/2021 14:12:38 2359410 Link
Replying To sam1884: "Whilst it is unfair on the genuine soccer fans I think a pragmatic view should now be taken regarding a 2030 World Cup bid. It was already going to be difficult for the UK and Ireland to win that bid; with the process started and votes around 18 months away what happened at the weekend may impact on some votes from that process, personally I think that bid is now lost before it really begins. If the voting system is leaning towards Europe I think majority will now go with Spain/Portugal." A Spain/Portugal tournament is unfortunately just as likely to be impacted by loutish English fans :( I'd be delighted if the FAI, or our government, pulled the plug on the bid after what we've seen this past few days. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 13/07/2021 14:19:19 2359413 Link
How many stadiums are required for the Euros or World cup? Let say we had the following Aviva Croker Park Parc ui Caoimh Windsor Hampden Murrayfield Celtic Pk Ibrox Cardiff City Stadium Swansea stadium Millenium Stadium. How many more would you need? I'm sure that there are other stadia could be brought up to scratch in the meantime. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/07/2021 14:23:19 2359415 Link
For those (tbf not many on here) who suggest it's a minority and not ingrained in the English psyche. . I applied for jobs all over the place when graduating from uni. . The US, Canada, Oz, NZ, Middle East, Central Europe, Northern Europe, Ireland and the UK. . Every UK job application I completed asked for my race/ethnicity. . There was a "White" option and a "White (Irish)" option. They're not far removed yet from the infamous signs that were commonplace outside London pubs in the 80s. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 13/07/2021 14:25:55 2359417 Link
You would need the Isle of Man for Perfedious Albion maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 13/07/2021 14:29:17 2359420 Link
Replying To daytona11: "How many stadiums are required for the Euros or World cup? Let say we had the following Aviva Croker Park Parc ui Caoimh Windsor Hampden Murrayfield Celtic Pk Ibrox Cardiff City Stadium Swansea stadium Millenium Stadium. How many more would you need? I'm sure that there are other stadia could be brought up to scratch in the meantime." Depends on how many teams are in. I believe the current plan is back to 32 for 2030. Typically 10 stadia needed for that. You've named 11 there. But then is Cardiff a big enough city to let 2 stadia be used? Accommodation etc comes into play too. Ravenhill is probably an option. Thomond too. All would need to be made all seater. (Not a big job). Will Casement have started by then!!??? It's definitely possible. It would be some craic! But I don't think any of the federations have the "pull" to win a bid. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 13/07/2021 14:55:14 2359429 Link
Accepting there are lovely people in England. There are a lot of bigoted thugs over there . There were some young lads slipping into Wembley shown on a clip, If big men helped the stewards by blocking them off that would be enough. But they were determined to kick the kids on the ground just for the sick pleasure of inflicting damage on someone smaller than them. 102 years ago those bowsies would have put on black and tan uniforms to satisfy their sickness. Thankfully there were men like Tom Barry who could deal with them. I am all for better relations with the UK but leave soccer and 12th marches out of it. Welcome their Rugby, horse racing ,and other sports less contaminated. Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 13/07/2021 14:57:33 2359431 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Depends on how many teams are in. I believe the current plan is back to 32 for 2030. Typically 10 stadia needed for that. You've named 11 there. But then is Cardiff a big enough city to let 2 stadia be used? Accommodation etc comes into play too. Ravenhill is probably an option. Thomond too. All would need to be made all seater. (Not a big job). Will Casement have started by then!!??? It's definitely possible. It would be some craic! But I don't think any of the federations have the "pull" to win a bid." Casement will be a GAA stadium not soccer. Let soccer stand on it's own 2 feet. Same goes for other GAA stadiums. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2012 - 13/07/2021 15:31:00 2359442 Link
The racism and abuse of the 3 coloured players after the penalty shootout is sickening, for me not because it's a minority but a large section of English society. You can gauge this by the comments on any English article relating to the game. I'm not saying this for congratulations but whenever I walk by a coloured person on the street in provincial Ireland I'm much more likely to smile at them. It's a natural response of mine, and I mean 'it's great you're here' but it probably might come across as patronising. At any rate treating people with kindness and respect brings out the better side in us all. I think of the Irish history of emigration. How do many Irish, on deaths door fell off famine ships to Liverpool, the US and Canada. Many didn't have English. I think of how we experienced discrimination. Hate is such a futile, dangerous emotion, nothing any good ever comes of it. We were doing so well threading a path of tolerance and mutual respect on these islands post 1998, probably peeking in 2011, until Brexit unleashed ultra nationalism in Britain over the last 5/6 years. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 13/07/2021 15:36:05 2359447 Link
Replying To Ashrules: "Accepting there are lovely people in England. There are a lot of bigoted thugs over there . There were some young lads slipping into Wembley shown on a clip, If big men helped the stewards by blocking them off that would be enough. But they were determined to kick the kids on the ground just for the sick pleasure of inflicting damage on someone smaller than them. 102 years ago those bowsies would have put on black and tan uniforms to satisfy their sickness. Thankfully there were men like Tom Barry who could deal with them. I am all for better relations with the UK but leave soccer and 12th marches out of it. Welcome their Rugby, horse racing ,and other sports less contaminated." Its the rugby boys who were giving the orders to the tans and who are now the politicians and media people who are stoking the bigotry and ultra nationalism. Just cause you don't get your hands dirty doesn't mean you don't have blood on them Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 13/07/2021 15:37:39 2359448 Link
Replying To daytona11: "How many stadiums are required for the Euros or World cup? Let say we had the following Aviva Croker Park Parc ui Caoimh Windsor Hampden Murrayfield Celtic Pk Ibrox Cardiff City Stadium Swansea stadium Millenium Stadium. How many more would you need? I'm sure that there are other stadia could be brought up to scratch in the meantime." The 2026 World Cup will have 16 venue for the new 48 team format so I don't see us doing it without the English. We should pull the plug out of principal Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 13/07/2021 15:44:17 2359450 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Love to see them beat on penalties, only problem is that they are liable to miss hit one and score. Too chancy so 3-0 Italy, Lineker to fall off that balcony, fans to kick the crap out of each other and Pickford to have a nightmare. Oh and Keane to chin Wright." I know it was risky it but that's the way I like it. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2012 - 13/07/2021 15:44:56 2359451 Link
Lads, no matter what happened in London at the weekend, pumping money into some bound-to-fail World Cup hosting bid would be complete & utter folly. We'll be paying for this Pandemic for years. Not to mention the absolute disaster that MICA is. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9134 - 13/07/2021 16:11:56 2359460 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Lads, no matter what happened in London at the weekend, pumping money into some bound-to-fail World Cup hosting bid would be complete & utter folly. We'll be paying for this Pandemic for years. Not to mention the absolute disaster that MICA is." Agreed 100 per cent. It is very dubious whether hosting these tournaments benefits the population at large, other than perhaps some people working in large multinational companies. For instance, Brazil got very little benefit out of hosting the World Cup and Olympics in the last decade, being lumbered with huge debt due to the need to upgrade public infrastructure in advance of those events. And at the moment, the majority of the Japanese public are against hosting the Olympics but it's still going ahead, as the IOC have put the government on the hook for the litigation by sponsors should it be cancelled on public health grounds. They literally can't afford to cancel despite a very low percentage of their population having been vaccinated. "The Games" by David Goldblatt is a good read for anyone interested in a critical view of the Olympic movement. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2021 16:49:55 2359472 Link
Yeh don't let that WC anywhere near here. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 13/07/2021 16:56:54 2359474 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Casement will be a GAA stadium not soccer. Let soccer stand on it's own 2 feet. Same goes for other GAA stadiums." !00%. We have no obligation to help out those losers. Be like starting a business with the Sopranos. Except the Sopranos are successful :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2554 - 13/07/2021 17:49:20 2359485 Link
There is an ongoing media campaign by vested interests to demonise Football and the GAA especially. And to praise other sports. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 13/07/2021 18:27:48 2359493 Link