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There is too much imho politicking in the England camp. Too many big stars, and too many large egos. A bit like the Mayo football team?

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2611 - 12/07/2021 09:57:08    2358875

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It was an absorbing final in that despite there not being that many good chances for either side, they were evenly matched, and it was very tense. I see people giving Southgate stick for the penalties. At the end of the day though, tension or not, professional footballers should be confident taking penalties regardless of age. I would level more criticism at Southgate for not going for the jugular and being too conservative.

They got a great start and Italy looked a bit rattled for once. But England didn't capitalize. They sat back and more or less handed Italy the initiative to play their way back into the game. Southgate was very slow to change things and there was a sense of inevitability to the Italians' equalizer. No better gasúr than Bonucci to score it. Himself and Chiellini were magnificent again. Special word for Chiesa as well. He's a young player too but he showed great courage & conviction in trying to get Italy back into it. Super player.

The World Cup will be very interesting. It's a farce that it's in Qatar but that's another story. But in terms of teams who could win it you could make a good case for 5 or 6. I think one of the best things that came out of the Euros was that it reignited peoples' interest and love for international football. There were some fantastic games and goals. It would be brilliant if Ireland can get back to a level where we can qualify. There's nothing like the buzz of an Ireland team involved in big tournaments.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9730 - 12/07/2021 10:31:24    2358890

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Replying To galwayford:  "There is too much imho politicking in the England camp. Too many big stars, and too many large egos. A bit like the Mayo football team?"
Or the Galway hurlers?

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 12/07/2021 11:00:31    2358906

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Hard luck England ….and Ronnie Whelan

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1722 - 12/07/2021 11:09:10    2358910

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Replying To St.Conleth:  "Hard luck England ….and Ronnie Whelan"
What is the story with Ronniie? He has become their main cheerleader. Wonder was he wearing the 3 lions in the studio.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 12/07/2021 11:20:03    2358917

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Replying To avonali:  "What is the story with Ronniie? He has become their main cheerleader. Wonder was he wearing the 3 lions in the studio."
Just short of referring to England as "We"

The behavior of a sizeable number of their fans and media reinforces why I don't want to see them winning it.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 12/07/2021 11:24:15    2358921

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Replying To avonali:  "What is the story with Ronniie? He has become their main cheerleader. Wonder was he wearing the 3 lions in the studio."
Tbf to Ronjue. He made a good living out of English football and made many English friends too. Liam Brady seemed to be pro England too. I have no problem with that tbh

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3868 - 12/07/2021 11:39:09    2358930

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Replying To avonali:  "What is the story with Ronniie? He has become their main cheerleader. Wonder was he wearing the 3 lions in the studio."
Really hard to listen to . Then was silent when Italy scored. Entitled to support England if he wanted to but as a well paid commentator he should also consider the other 95% shouting for Italy!

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1722 - 12/07/2021 11:49:24    2358938

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Replying To daytona11:  "Just short of referring to England as "We"

The behavior of a sizeable number of their fans and media reinforces why I don't want to see them winning it."
I wanted to see them do well. I admire Southgate allot, and the players seem like a really great bunch. But what I've realized from this is that they are better at failing miserably than coming close.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 12/07/2021 11:59:19    2358948

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thank god they were beat. I couldnt stomach lineker any more

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 12/07/2021 12:05:48    2358953

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Well done to Italy

34 games unbeaten

A record beating run and to then cap it off being crowned as European Champions is some feat. They did it the hard way coming through excellent teams and injury to key players.

They would have to be considered one of the greatest European teams of all time IMO

They largely dominated the game as England dropped back and tried their upmost to play very conservatively.

Very worthy champions and beating a very good England team playing at home to achieve it. Home advantage soon went out the window against a superior outfit. Italy owned the ball.

The English fans went very quiet last night.. high anxiety spilled down from the stands.

Thought they were especially quiet when their team needed them the most.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 12/07/2021 12:42:46    2358971

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Well done to Italy

34 games unbeaten

A record beating run and to then cap it off being crowned as European Champions is some feat. They did it the hard way coming through excellent teams and injury to key players.

They would have to be considered one of the greatest European teams of all time IMO

They largely dominated the game as England dropped back and tried their upmost to play very conservatively.

Very worthy champions and beating a very good England team playing at home to achieve it. Home advantage soon went out the window against a superior outfit. Italy owned the ball.

The English fans went very quiet last night.. high anxiety spilled down from the stands.

Thought they were especially quiet when their team needed them the most."
To be honest, I thought the standard was very poor last night. I think either team would have been taken apart by the Spain or Germany team of 10 years ago
As for the copa America, it was probably the two worst Brazilian and Argentine teams I have seen. Hopefully this doesn't open the door for England in future tournaments

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 405 - 12/07/2021 14:26:44    2359019

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As someone who has family in England and who lived in London for years, I would genuinely have liked to see England win the Euros. However the English football team has always been followed by a boorish, jingoistic element, and they destroy any good will or feeling towards England, to the point where most people outside of England want them to lose. Gareth Southgate is an extremely decent person, who is very socially aware and his team in fairness mirrors that, none of the car crash circus that has followed England teams in the past. However until England can somehow extract themselves from the boorish mentality that follow England, there will never be any universal love or desire to see them win. The FA and Police have done great work over the years to eradicate the thugs that traditionally followed English football, but whether it is possible to change the mindset of a lot of the so called English football fans is debatable as we are now seeing with the horrific abuse that Rashford, Sancho and Saka are now receiving online. Maybe it's a societal issue, as there is no doubt that England has major issues with huge numbers of disaffected white young men, outside the social mainstream and who live in a culture at odds with any canons of proper behaviour. Football gives these men a mechanism to vent their hatred for other cultures and races and to show their absolute ignorance of history. Add in the absolute mess of Brexit, one of its striking features was high levels of support for Brexit among white working-class men without a college education - a group that is also especially likely to vote for right-populist candidates in other countries. These unfortunately for England are the men that attach themselves to the England football team. And we think we've got problems in this country!!

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 181 - 12/07/2021 15:47:11    2359061

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Replying To conman1282:  "thank god they were beat. I couldnt stomach lineker any more"
The team seem like a grand bunch but imagine watching them fools in Leicester Square having a celebration riot instead of a commiseration riot.

Delighted I could wake up this morning and watch and read the news without having to listen to them shouting and screaming

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 12/07/2021 15:53:27    2359070

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Tbf to Ronjue. He made a good living out of English football and made many English friends too. Liam Brady seemed to be pro England too. I have no problem with that tbh"
Liam Brady wanted to see Italy winning the match and said same.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 12/07/2021 16:35:15    2359091

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If football had come home surely it'd be quarantining right now?!

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 12/07/2021 18:55:33    2359124

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "It was an absorbing final in that despite there not being that many good chances for either side, they were evenly matched, and it was very tense. I see people giving Southgate stick for the penalties. At the end of the day though, tension or not, professional footballers should be confident taking penalties regardless of age. I would level more criticism at Southgate for not going for the jugular and being too conservative.

They got a great start and Italy looked a bit rattled for once. But England didn't capitalize. They sat back and more or less handed Italy the initiative to play their way back into the game. Southgate was very slow to change things and there was a sense of inevitability to the Italians' equalizer. No better gasúr than Bonucci to score it. Himself and Chiellini were magnificent again. Special word for Chiesa as well. He's a young player too but he showed great courage & conviction in trying to get Italy back into it. Super player.

The World Cup will be very interesting. It's a farce that it's in Qatar but that's another story. But in terms of teams who could win it you could make a good case for 5 or 6. I think one of the best things that came out of the Euros was that it reignited peoples' interest and love for international football. There were some fantastic games and goals. It would be brilliant if Ireland can get back to a level where we can qualify. There's nothing like the buzz of an Ireland team involved in big tournaments."
Any chance of Bonner getting Chiellini over for a bit of coaching for our boys.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1143 - 12/07/2021 19:21:24    2359132

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Replying To gilly1910:  "As someone who has family in England and who lived in London for years, I would genuinely have liked to see England win the Euros. However the English football team has always been followed by a boorish, jingoistic element, and they destroy any good will or feeling towards England, to the point where most people outside of England want them to lose. Gareth Southgate is an extremely decent person, who is very socially aware and his team in fairness mirrors that, none of the car crash circus that has followed England teams in the past. However until England can somehow extract themselves from the boorish mentality that follow England, there will never be any universal love or desire to see them win. The FA and Police have done great work over the years to eradicate the thugs that traditionally followed English football, but whether it is possible to change the mindset of a lot of the so called English football fans is debatable as we are now seeing with the horrific abuse that Rashford, Sancho and Saka are now receiving online. Maybe it's a societal issue, as there is no doubt that England has major issues with huge numbers of disaffected white young men, outside the social mainstream and who live in a culture at odds with any canons of proper behaviour. Football gives these men a mechanism to vent their hatred for other cultures and races and to show their absolute ignorance of history. Add in the absolute mess of Brexit, one of its striking features was high levels of support for Brexit among white working-class men without a college education - a group that is also especially likely to vote for right-populist candidates in other countries. These unfortunately for England are the men that attach themselves to the England football team. And we think we've got problems in this country!!"
You see essmac this post above is what I'm talking about.

Of course some of these English fans are going to lash out when they're being hit with such hate and scorn like from this muppet above, it is now socially acceptable to hate (and that's what it is, HATE ) white people who don't earn big wages and have big houses. This eejit above going on about a lack of third level education as if most degrees don't end up being a completely worthless waste of time, and the inevitable hackneyed predictable pot shot at brexit as if the EU is a well oiled machine and not a debt ridden socially and politically fractured mess that is almost certain to come apart at the seems as the soviet union did.

The worst part is poor gilly fancies himself as an intellectual progressive when in reality he's probably just mindlessly repeating whatever he read on today's issue of the guardian.

And to think there was a time when the left once wanted to represent the working classes eh?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 12/07/2021 19:37:40    2359141

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Replying To fainleog:  "Liam Brady wanted to see Italy winning the match and said same."
I know that but listening to him throughout the tournament he was very pro England. He very fond of Italy too. He played and made a living there too.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3868 - 12/07/2021 19:51:10    2359145

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How about the views of an English fan - this is an honest and well-written article in the London Evening Standard:

"The identity of Englishness has not always been an easy one, either to understand or to like. In 1992, I travelled around Sweden following the England team at that year's Euros. Everywhere the England contingent went they were met with generosity and friendship from the Swedish locals and light policing from the authorities. Everywhere they went, the England contingent smashed the place up in a drunken rage. It was a relief when I met a Scotland fan with spare tickets and I was able to go to their games instead. Watching Scotland was fun; being a fan of England was an expression of rage."

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/england-football-team-politicians-english-euro-2020-b945308.html?r=61259#comments-area

There are many, many decent ordinary folk supporting England (such as the writer of the article), same as any other nation's fans; but until the culture changes so that the xenophobes are history, England, like Russia, will remain a hard team for outsiders to get behind.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 12/07/2021 19:55:12    2359146

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