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So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?"]Jesus are you actually trying to say I am contracting myself by claiming Donegal should win comfortably? Those 2 are not the same thing."]When you said "Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well", this is a clear indication that regardless of what division a team are in, that in knock out football, and particularly in Ulster that there is always a danger of a sucker punch and an ever greater chance of this happening if an opponent from a lower division is underestimated. But on the other hand you are saying that "Donegal should win comfortably". Surely you agree that the latter view contradicts the first ?"]It isn't the same thing. A mentally prepared team who have been burned previously will go out and do a job on a team them they are expected to beat. I remember Mayo many times in the past 10 years beating teams out the gate when doubts were surrounding them. The replay with Roscommon springs to mind. Underestimated them the first day, didn't get to the pitch of the game. Destroyed them in the replay. If Donegal are serious about beating Mayo, Kerry or whoever they should have no doubts and do a job at the weekend."]That sounds clear to me Flaker. Not really understanding the confusion or interpretation of what you said from the other username. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 07/07/2021 17:25:11 2357463 Link 7 |
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So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?"]Jesus are you actually trying to say I am contracting myself by claiming Donegal should win comfortably? Those 2 are not the same thing."]When you said "Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well", this is a clear indication that regardless of what division a team are in, that in knock out football, and particularly in Ulster that there is always a danger of a sucker punch and an ever greater chance of this happening if an opponent from a lower division is underestimated. But on the other hand you are saying that "Donegal should win comfortably". Surely you agree that the latter view contradicts the first ?"]It isn't the same thing. A mentally prepared team who have been burned previously will go out and do a job on a team them they are expected to beat. I remember Mayo many times in the past 10 years beating teams out the gate when doubts were surrounding them. The replay with Roscommon springs to mind. Underestimated them the first day, didn't get to the pitch of the game. Destroyed them in the replay. If Donegal are serious about beating Mayo, Kerry or whoever they should have no doubts and do a job at the weekend."]That sounds clear to me Flaker. Not really understanding the confusion or interpretation of what you said from the other username."]You're so traumatized by me GreenandRed, you're afraid to even say AfricanGael. I must be the first and last thought you have every day :-). Anyways Flaker, we know that but I think you are treating the opinions of a few Donegal supporters here as being the mindset of the team and management as a whole. Starting a post with "Not looking to start a row here but......." isn't exactly a great intro and using patronizing terminology like "surely Donegal have learned a lesson". There's a big difference in saying "I'm sure Donegal wont underestimate Derry after what happened last year", and "surely Donegal have learned a lesson". Just comes across very patronizing, and I'm completely neutral. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 07/07/2021 17:57:55 2357473 Link 2 |
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If Donegal persist with picking light half forwards as attacking defenders and and not there or unable to defend when required , Derry could win this one. jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 405 - 07/07/2021 20:44:17 2357518 Link 0 |
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Give over lads - this will be nothing other than a very very comfortable victory - not as comfortable maybe as the Down margin of victory but a stroll in the park nothing more…. eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1595 - 07/07/2021 23:43:57 2357556 Link 0 |
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There are a few 'Donegal' accounts on here and I genuinely wonder are they from the county or from our near and dear neighbours. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 08/07/2021 09:40:13 2357591 Link 1 |
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Murphy and MacNiallais ready to go for Sunday according to Bonner. MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 08/07/2021 09:51:38 2357595 Link 0 |
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Well I hope he keeps Murphy on the bench unless we really need him, another week protecting that hamstring will do him good, Mac Niallas needs game time and it would be great to see him back if he's fit to start. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 08/07/2021 10:37:06 2357609 Link 0 |
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Maybe TheFlaker and RedandGreen are right after all, that when you're a Division 1 team you should have no worries about beating a Division 2 outfit. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/07/2021 11:46:35 2357632 Link 1 |
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Genuine question….who are all injured for Donegal if MacNiallas and Murphy are fit?
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 08/07/2021 16:48:08 2357768 Link 0 |
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Jeac MacCealbhui I think is the only one but he's not a regular. Donegal have a clean bill of health providing Murphy and MacNiallais are actually ok. So no excuses!
MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 08/07/2021 17:06:07 2357776 Link 0 |
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Jesus I have never debated anything with you. Fairly childish stuff. Well done.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7893 - 08/07/2021 17:31:30 2357777 Link 5 |
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Oisin Gallen as well hopefully he's available for Sunday, is Paddy Mc Grath fit? not sure what the story is on Kieran Gillespie, Murphy and Mac Niallas are the 2 big ones, 2 key men wouldn't like to see them rushed back unless we are in trouble on Sunday, lose on Sunday and our intercounty year is over so hope all goes well and no more injuries picked up.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 08/07/2021 19:25:54 2357817 Link 0 |
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Hate to say it as I'm no fan of AfricanGale but you have been kinda schooled here lol. can't have things both ways.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 08/07/2021 20:09:42 2357832 Link 0 |
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Heard in Newry Gillespie has a groin strain don't know the extent of it thou, hopefully not set him back too much.
Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 160 - 08/07/2021 20:19:56 2357833 Link 0 |
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I'm not debating with you either, I'm saying some of the things you have said come across as being very patronizing. There are many reasons why a team may lose a game they would normally be expected to win. It's lazy analysis to put it all down to underestimating the opposition, look at the lazy analysis of the Roscommon v Galway game at the weekend, when they should have tore into Roscommon's tactics, instead they said Roscommon are entitled to set up how they wish, ffs that's not analysis . If you take the Ulster final last year, as far as I recall Donegal were leading that game at halftime, a typical hard fought Ulster final was the half time description. So at what point did the "underestimation" occur ? I'm sure the players didn't need reminding at half-time that they were in a game. The point is that sometimes things just do not go for you on the day no matter how well prepared you are, that can happen the best of teams and indeed managers. On a previous post I pointed to decisions made by Mayo managers on All-Ireland final days as a contributory factor in some of the final losses, and of course I got slated for it, but in my opinion it's fair comment and complimentary to the players actually. I'd even include Dublin in that as even though they got over the line they have not always played well in finals and I don't think we could ever say a Jim Gavin team wasn't well prepared. Look at Monaghan v Cavan, Monaghan were hot favorite's to beat Cavan and were 6 or 7 points up at halftime. They didn't lose that game because they underestimated Cavan, they lost because of the tactics they employed in the second half which allowed Cavan back into the game. I don't recall anyone from the Donegal management coming out and saying they were going to win an All-Ireland with this team. You may have heard Oisín McConville say it in June 2019. The year before that it was Galway who were talked up as Dublin's main challengers. My point is that be very careful when listening to any of these pundits and using their opinions as a rod when a team loses a game. In my opinion there is only one challenger to Dublin right now and that's Kerry, I would put Dublin and Kerry in joint first and Mayo and Donegal in joint second. Mayo and Donegal are both good sides, are they good enough to win an All-Ireland right now, I don't think so. It was bad enough having one dragon to slay, but soon Donegal and Mayo will have a second to contend with as well I feel. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/07/2021 20:42:15 2357836 Link 2 |
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How have I been schooled? Mayo should beat Galway. If they think they have any business beating the likes of Kerry and Dublin. I never make excuses for Mayo on here, never have. It's gas how for years on here we dismissed the league, now it is being used as the only yardstick to see where a team is at, which is hardly foolproof.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7893 - 08/07/2021 20:45:46 2357838 Link 6 |
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I don't disagree with everything you are saying. I just believe you have a far too simplified outlook on league importance as well. I never slated anyone who pointed out failings of Mayo managers, so putting that in here is a mute point. We probably agree with each other on a lot of things but let me be clear again. It has been argued on here for close to 2 years now by many posters and also by some in the media that Donegal are best placed to take down Dublin. If that is the case then those same people cannot be talking about Derry as a potential banana skin. They should be primed and ready to do a job. And they probably will.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7893 - 08/07/2021 21:17:27 2357859 Link 6 |
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Make no mistake Flaker, it's not the likes of Dublin and Kerry, it is Dublin and Kerry. I do like the "Should beat Galway", it shows you are gradually coming over to my side. The yardstick is that this is knock out football, and neighbours against neighbours, I wouldn't be surprised if both Donegal and Mayo beat Derry and Galway but neither would I be surprised if one of them lost either. I don't know how Donegal or Derry are going to set up yet or what the weather is going to be like, all factors, we'll know soon enough. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/07/2021 21:18:54 2357860 Link 2 |
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The mention of the Mayo managers is a relevant point because it shows that in-game management decisions can both benefit and damage a teams prospects so no amount of preparation can overcome that. If I had a simplified outlook on league importance I would be agreeing with you that Donegal will easily beat Derry, what evidence is there that Galway are any better than Derry ? There is none at the moment. Let me jog your memory back to this headline in 2018, and the reason I'm doing that is to show you how quickly the media change their opinions, and many people feed off what they read. Buoyant Galway now main challengers to Dublin" RTE (July 2018) AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 08/07/2021 22:06:30 2357879 Link 1 |
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Dublin and Kerry in joint first? Come on now. It's the same every year with the media and Kerry, don't fall for it.
greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 08/07/2021 23:04:14 2357896 Link 0 |