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Derry V Donegal

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Tyrone won't laugh off Cavan but they will win, no doubt about it. That's my point. There shouldn't be a hint of a shock in either of these games."
There shouldn't be but that's the point isn't it; it happened to us last year. I wouldn't rule Cavan out from beating Tyrone on Sunday but I fancy Tyrone. Happened to Kerry last year too, the shock result. Agree that they're becoming a very rare thing in Gaelic Football hence why championship is in dire need of a proper restructure as the competitiveness isn't there bar Ulster football and Munster hurling.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 07/07/2021 11:23:21    2357299

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I'd be thinking Donegal will win this game even without Michael Murphy as they're very solid in all sectors of the pitch.

Derry are building nicely and have been successful at minor over the last number of years and having Conor Glass back from Oz is massive, I was very impressed with the bit iv see with him at underage with St pats and the Derry minors but it could be a couple of years before we see them ready to win an ulster championship, but then again in ulster football and anything could happen.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 07/07/2021 11:28:52    2357302

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Tyrone won't laugh off Cavan but they will win, no doubt about it. That's my point. There shouldn't be a hint of a shock in either of these games."
I suppose that's the beauty of sport and why we all love it. Yes, most of the time the bookies get it right and the favourites with short odds do the business. But not all of the time. In the last 10 years there have ben two specific instances when Donegal didn't live up to expectations - 2013 vs Monaghan & last year vs Cavan (both Div 3 teams btw)
So I think it's being a small bit harsh casting doubt as to whether our respect for Derry is genuine or not.

Derry have pedigree. They always have good footballers in the county but for one reason or another couldn't harness the talent at their disposal fully. Say what you want about Rory Gallagher's tactics, but any team he puts out on a field will be fit and very organized.

In saying all of the above though I do think we will beat them and will be very disappointed if we don't. We've seen Donegal produce performances likes the Down game before and look like a serious outfit. I think we have to win Ulster this year and at least give Kerry their fill of it for it to be deemed a satisfactory year. Time will tell.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9133 - 07/07/2021 11:37:40    2357307

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "There shouldn't be but that's the point isn't it; it happened to us last year. I wouldn't rule Cavan out from beating Tyrone on Sunday but I fancy Tyrone. Happened to Kerry last year too, the shock result. Agree that they're becoming a very rare thing in Gaelic Football hence why championship is in dire need of a proper restructure as the competitiveness isn't there bar Ulster football and Munster hurling."
I know what you are saying but everyone talked about last year as a funny one for teams involved and the new format caught them cold. So there is absolutely no excuse for getting caught this year. Kerry won't be touched in Munster this year. Tyrone will beat Cavan. Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 07/07/2021 11:40:50    2357311

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Cavan were dreadful in the league, everyone agrees on that.

Yet Derry could only beat them by a point.

McGuigan is an outstanding young forward but overall Donegal's unit of Murphy, McBrearty, O'Donnell, Langan, Brennan and Thompson and the rampaging Ryan McHugh will do damage.

Apart from McGuighan and Niall Loughlin there are no other stand out forwards in that Derry team, Emmett Bradley and Conor Glass are very good players in the middle of the park who'll also get forward but Donegal have McGonagle and McFadden who can easily match them.

But Donegal v Derry is the North West derby so it'll take on a life of it's own.

I'd still expect Donegal to win by 5+ though."
Given the part of Co Derry where Gaelic games are prominent there is not that much of a Derby atmosphere between Donegal and Derry.Donegal v Tyrone is our real derby which should happen in the semi final but we have to respect Cavan and Derry and take one game at a time.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 07/07/2021 11:54:30    2357318

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I know what you are saying but everyone talked about last year as a funny one for teams involved and the new format caught them cold. So there is absolutely no excuse for getting caught this year. Kerry won't be touched in Munster this year. Tyrone will beat Cavan. Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well."
Winter football, different ball game. I don't think it's a simple as learning a lesson, many things can go against a team on the day and all of a sudden you are in trouble.

I think the only lesson anyone should learn is take nothing for granted.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 07/07/2021 11:57:21    2357319

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "What a response!!!! Hahaha.

This is up there with the time that lad was drunk and typed complete gibberish!!!!

Not sure if you are trying to offend people but the protocol is the least of my worries lad"
Cool the temperature a wee bit fridge.I am not trying to offend anybody,just a bit of craic.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 07/07/2021 12:00:16    2357322

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I know what you are saying but everyone talked about last year as a funny one for teams involved and the new format caught them cold. So there is absolutely no excuse for getting caught this year. Kerry won't be touched in Munster this year. Tyrone will beat Cavan. Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well."
The lesson pretty much is not to take any opposition for granted particularly with no second chances, back door/super 8. One bad day where you look too far ahead or assume the win and you're dust.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 07/07/2021 13:35:14    2357366

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "The lesson pretty much is not to take any opposition for granted particularly with no second chances, back door/super 8. One bad day where you look too far ahead or assume the win and you're dust."
This is it. it's a long time until January 2022 so there can be no margin for error.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9133 - 07/07/2021 13:53:02    2357373

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I know what you are saying but everyone talked about last year as a funny one for teams involved and the new format caught them cold. So there is absolutely no excuse for getting caught this year. Kerry won't be touched in Munster this year. Tyrone will beat Cavan. Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well."
Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 07/07/2021 14:21:58    2357392

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "This is it. it's a long time until January 2022 so there can be no margin for error."
Definitely not. Expecting us to win and dismissing Derry as a challenge are two different things. I would be sick on Monday if we are gone so it's really all about Derry, the rest is conjecture!

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 07/07/2021 14:51:45    2357407

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?"
Underestimated them. Absolutely. They never got to the pitch of the game at all. Players can say they are well prepared and focused but in the back of your mind there can be a drop off.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 07/07/2021 15:17:56    2357421

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "It's not false modesty… we aren't Dublin. 2 Ulster titles in 3 years doesn't make us the Harlem Globetrotters. If you read my posts you'll see I definitely agree we are favourites and if we are a serious outfit as I think we can be, then we will win. But do we have the track record in recent years to dismiss Derry? No. We lost to Cavan unexpectedly last year. So I feel most Donegal fans are on alert and not getting too excited; the sensible ones. Derry are improving. It's knockout. We definitely have the better players and a more advanced style of play so we should win but I wouldn't be outright dismissing an improving outfit. I doubt Tyrone will laugh off Cavan this weekend who are arguably now weaker than Derry."
Fair enough

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/07/2021 15:26:43    2357423

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?"
Underestimated them. Absolutely. They never got to the pitch of the game at all. Players can say they are well prepared and focused but in the back of your mind there can be a drop off."
So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 07/07/2021 15:30:47    2357424

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To TheFlaker:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?"
Underestimated them. Absolutely. They never got to the pitch of the game at all. Players can say they are well prepared and focused but in the back of your mind there can be a drop off."
So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?"]Jesus are you actually trying to say I am contracting myself by claiming Donegal should win comfortably? Those 2 are not the same thing.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 07/07/2021 15:49:44    2357429

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=TheFlaker:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?"
Underestimated them. Absolutely. They never got to the pitch of the game at all. Players can say they are well prepared and focused but in the back of your mind there can be a drop off."
So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?"]Jesus are you actually trying to say I am contracting myself by claiming Donegal should win comfortably? Those 2 are not the same thing."]Well there is a clear and obvious contradiction there, wouldn't you agree ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 07/07/2021 15:54:44    2357431

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=TheFlaker:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?"
Underestimated them. Absolutely. They never got to the pitch of the game at all. Players can say they are well prepared and focused but in the back of your mind there can be a drop off."
So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?"]Jesus are you actually trying to say I am contracting myself by claiming Donegal should win comfortably? Those 2 are not the same thing."]TBH you're a mincer

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 07/07/2021 15:57:39    2357434

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Really looking forward to seeing Conor Glass in action. He was dead right to try his luck down under when the opportunity presented itself. You simply cannot buy that kind of life experience. But at the same time, it's great to see him back home and involved in the GAA again. Just hope he doesn't play too well on Sunday :P

How is Callum Brown getting on down under? I wouldn't follow the AFL at all really. Would he be a regular now with his team?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9133 - 07/07/2021 16:11:12    2357439

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=TheFlaker:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?"
Underestimated them. Absolutely. They never got to the pitch of the game at all. Players can say they are well prepared and focused but in the back of your mind there can be a drop off."
So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?"]Jesus are you actually trying to say I am contracting myself by claiming Donegal should win comfortably? Those 2 are not the same thing."]When you said "Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well", this is a clear indication that regardless of what division a team are in, that in knock out football, and particularly in Ulster that there is always a danger of a sucker punch and an ever greater chance of this happening if an opponent from a lower division is underestimated.

But on the other hand you are saying that "Donegal should win comfortably".

Surely you agree that the latter view contradicts the first ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 07/07/2021 16:11:38    2357440

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To TheFlaker:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=TheFlaker:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Do you think Donegal took Cavan for granted last year ?"
Underestimated them. Absolutely. They never got to the pitch of the game at all. Players can say they are well prepared and focused but in the back of your mind there can be a drop off."
So you would agree that if they underestimate Derry, they have learnt nothing from last year ?"]Jesus are you actually trying to say I am contracting myself by claiming Donegal should win comfortably? Those 2 are not the same thing."]When you said "Surely Donegal have learned a lesson as well", this is a clear indication that regardless of what division a team are in, that in knock out football, and particularly in Ulster that there is always a danger of a sucker punch and an ever greater chance of this happening if an opponent from a lower division is underestimated.

But on the other hand you are saying that "Donegal should win comfortably".

Surely you agree that the latter view contradicts the first ?"]It isn't the same thing. A mentally prepared team who have been burned previously will go out and do a job on a team them they are expected to beat. I remember Mayo many times in the past 10 years beating teams out the gate when doubts were surrounding them. The replay with Roscommon springs to mind. Underestimated them the first day, didn't get to the pitch of the game. Destroyed them in the replay. If Donegal are serious about beating Mayo, Kerry or whoever they should have no doubts and do a job at the weekend.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 07/07/2021 16:34:39    2357450

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