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Replying To winatallcost:  "Cluxton is holding Dessie to ransom and undermining everything team football stands for. This is extremely selfish from a 40 year old to the detriment of his replacement and the team captain. Dublin have not played a competitive game this year really and were very poor versus Wexford. Small is not available and was your best defender last year. No Mannion to change the dynamic going forward and P. Small is not of that standard. Its now or never for McEntee and I reckon this is their best chance. Hickey and Costello are top young talents, Morris too. My main concern is our kick outs from a keeper not of the required standard but that's it. To be it has become a 50/50 game which Meath can edge. Maybe you have got your double jab so better to focus on your foreign holiday than winning Sam this year."
Yeah....its not a 50/50 game. I think we'll win, just not the annihilation like it was last year though.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 11/07/2021 15:16:25    2358597

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Replying To meath1977:  "if Donegal were playing Dublin next Sunday ye be all excited thinking ye would have a chance .. if Donegal were playing meath next Sunday there would not be much in it like most of our meetings over the 5 years"
Donegal will get beat handy by either Kerry or Dublin if they get that far, Meath haven't come close to Dublin since that freak win in 2010 or whenever

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 203 - 11/07/2021 18:23:42    2358712

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Replying To joeteor:  "Donegal will get beat handy by either Kerry or Dublin if they get that far, Meath haven't come close to Dublin since that freak win in 2010 or whenever"
Leinster 1/4 final 2007 Dublin 1-11 Meath 0-14
Leinster 1/4 final 2007 (replay) Dublin 0-16 Meath 0-12
Leinster 1/4 final 2009 Dublin 0-14 Meath 0-12
Leinster final 2010 Dublin 0-13 Meath 5-09
Leinster final 2012 Dublin 2-13 Meath 1-13
Leinster final 2014 Dublin 2-15 Meath 0-14
Leinster 1/2 final 2016 Dublin 0-21 Meath 0-11

maybe look up your facts before spouting rubbish..

From 2007 to 2012 Meath were very competitive with Dublin, The margin started stretching from 2016 onwards but thhis isn't unique to Meath, Dublin were beating everyone by higher scores since 2016.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1439 - 12/07/2021 12:33:26    2358967

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Replying To joeteor:  "Donegal will get beat handy by either Kerry or Dublin if they get that far, Meath haven't come close to Dublin since that freak win in 2010 or whenever"
Says the guy who thinks a team that almost went out to division 3 opponents 2 years running are someone dubs would fear.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17823 - 12/07/2021 12:39:04    2358968

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Nothing to see here.
Meath will struggle to keep it to less than 10.
Meath players aren't as good as Dublins and have no belief in their ability to beat Dublin. They will roll over and have their bellies tickled."
So we're in the same boat as Mayo then in rolling over, being beaten by 10 points and having our bellies tickled ;) That's good to know.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1439 - 12/07/2021 12:41:18    2358969

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Replying To brian:  "Leinster 1/4 final 2007 Dublin 1-11 Meath 0-14
Leinster 1/4 final 2007 (replay) Dublin 0-16 Meath 0-12
Leinster 1/4 final 2009 Dublin 0-14 Meath 0-12
Leinster final 2010 Dublin 0-13 Meath 5-09
Leinster final 2012 Dublin 2-13 Meath 1-13
Leinster final 2014 Dublin 2-15 Meath 0-14
Leinster 1/2 final 2016 Dublin 0-21 Meath 0-11

maybe look up your facts before spouting rubbish..

From 2007 to 2012 Meath were very competitive with Dublin, The margin started stretching from 2016 onwards but thhis isn't unique to Meath, Dublin were beating everyone by higher scores since 2016."
Leinster 1/4 final 2007 Dublin 1-11 Meath 0-14
Leinster 1/4 final 2007 (replay) Dublin 0-16 Meath 0-12
Leinster 1/4 final 2009 Dublin 0-14 Meath 0-12
Leinster 1/2 final 2010 Dublin 0-13 Meath 5-09
Leinster final 2012 Dublin 2-13 Meath 1-13
Leinster final 2013 Dublin 2-15 Meath 0-14
Leinster final 2014 Dublin 3-20 Meath 1-10
Leinster 1/2 final 2016 Dublin 0-21 Meath 0-11

Sorry just checked my facts and i had 2014 and 2013 incorrect

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1439 - 12/07/2021 12:52:32    2358975

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Just look at the hammerings in the provinces

Time for Meath to step up or step down

Their non performances against Dublin the last couple of years were inexcusable

Yet a sizeable Meath support clung onto every excuse going rather than address their absolute shoddy displays..

Meath have played very well against good sides in recent years but have folded against Dublin

I think a big performance is very important for the future of Meath Football here

Another non performance and personally I wouldn't have an ounce of respect or feel one bit sorry for them.

I genuinely hope Meath blow the dust out from between their ears and go out and do their upmost to find that long overdue performance against Dublin.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20342 - 12/07/2021 13:19:40    2358981

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Dublin's below par performance the last day is a bad thing for Meath. They will be up for putting a good performance against Meath.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1008 - 13/07/2021 20:33:10    2359536

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Says the guy who thinks a team that almost went out to division 3 opponents 2 years running are someone dubs would fear."
Not sure what county you're referring to, but the Dubs wouldn't fear anybody.

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 203 - 13/07/2021 21:10:39    2359556

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Just look at the hammerings in the provinces

Time for Meath to step up or step down

Their non performances against Dublin the last couple of years were inexcusable

Yet a sizeable Meath support clung onto every excuse going rather than address their absolute shoddy displays..

Meath have played very well against good sides in recent years but have folded against Dublin

I think a big performance is very important for the future of Meath Football here

Another non performance and personally I wouldn't have an ounce of respect or feel one bit sorry for them.

I genuinely hope Meath blow the dust out from between their ears and go out and do their upmost to find that long overdue performance against Dublin."
Might do better then just the performance, we have over 50 All Ireland medals gone out of the panel in the last year between retirement and lads stepping away.

The team that finally defeated Dublin?

Dublin themselves, incredible really.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 13/07/2021 21:40:55    2359572

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Might do better then just the performance, we have over 50 All Ireland medals gone out of the panel in the last year between retirement and lads stepping away.

The team that finally defeated Dublin?

Dublin themselves, incredible really."
What do you mean Dublin themselves? What's incredible about retirements? Have been a part of every team ever. If there are stronger players coming through and stepping up to other county teams who resultantly beat Dublin, that's not Dublin defeating themselves, that's Dublin getting beat.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 256 - 14/07/2021 09:50:17    2359671

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Might do better then just the performance, we have over 50 All Ireland medals gone out of the panel in the last year between retirement and lads stepping away.

The team that finally defeated Dublin?

Dublin themselves, incredible really."
No…..the run of success that was created by external forces will eventually be ended by an external force.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 457 - 14/07/2021 10:17:49    2359682

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Why are Meath not demanding this game be played in Navan?

Is it gone to the stage where everyone just accepts that every advantage should go to Dublin. The Dublin team themselves are sportsmen and would be happy to be tested fairly.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 393 - 14/07/2021 11:02:18    2359710

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There seems to be something going on in the Dublin camp and it doesn't appear to be the happy place it was when Jim Gavin was there. Eric Lowndes gone off the panel midway through the season. Cluxton gone AWOL without any apparent explanation. All these departures have to weaken a side even one that has the resources of Dublin. Yes, Dessie Farrell won last year's all ireland which can't be disputed but this year will prove his worth as a manager with all these comings and going. The question is can Meath, Kildare and Westmeath put Dublin under enough pressure to expose those vulnerabilities which appear to be there? Wexford certainly highlighted some vulnerabilities which haven't been there before, the last day.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1448 - 14/07/2021 11:29:02    2359724

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C'mon Meath....oops, did I just say that???

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1819 - 14/07/2021 11:30:46    2359725

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "There seems to be something going on in the Dublin camp and it doesn't appear to be the happy place it was when Jim Gavin was there. Eric Lowndes gone off the panel midway through the season. Cluxton gone AWOL without any apparent explanation. All these departures have to weaken a side even one that has the resources of Dublin. Yes, Dessie Farrell won last year's all ireland which can't be disputed but this year will prove his worth as a manager with all these comings and going. The question is can Meath, Kildare and Westmeath put Dublin under enough pressure to expose those vulnerabilities which appear to be there? Wexford certainly highlighted some vulnerabilities which haven't been there before, the last day."
I agree with this. Anything we say here is conjecture but I think Cluxton is irreplaceable. He was more than a goalkeeper/ captain. He was an exemplary figure, a talisman in the Dublin squad. He set the highest standards . You cannot replace that. The injuries to key defenders, the inevitable draining away of talent all have to matter.
If the Dubs were to be beaten I'd prefer it to be a Leinster team. I know what the bookies are saying; I'm aware of the narrative peddled in here that this is the Dubs version of Yerra etc. etc. But nothing lasts forever and I really sense the end of this great run is fast approaching . And when it does I'll toast their victors and drink to this wonderful period of Dublin domination. Despite what others may say or think, Dublin GAA does not possess an inexhaustible supply of highly gifted players.
And I know thy are rubbing their hands below in the Kingdom savouring a chance to knock Dublin off their perch in an All_lreland final. I don't think the narrative is going to unfold like that. By the way, that was their undoing last year. They were so busy focussing on the summit of Dublin looming in the distance that they failed to spot the banana skin under their feet in Cork.
I honestly don't believe it will end in a big showdown with Kerry in an All Ireland Final. That's just my opinion. And Kingdomboy, if this were not an internet forum I'd wager you a hundred euro that Dublin will not retain the canister. Of course if you want, I'll leave the money in any pub in the Camp/Curraheen/ Blennerville area for you. Just say the word.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1819 - 14/07/2021 12:51:28    2359748

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "What do you mean Dublin themselves? What's incredible about retirements? Have been a part of every team ever. If there are stronger players coming through and stepping up to other county teams who resultantly beat Dublin, that's not Dublin defeating themselves, that's Dublin getting beat."
Of course retirements have always been part and parcel of success and failure. But there does seem to be a consensus that the first championship defeat of this Dublin team will be the result of the lowering of their own standards rather than another team reaching the same level as Dublin were at their peak. Well we are talking about the greatest gaelic football team of all time, so really to expect another team to reach that peak standard of Dublin, not really a runner!

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 14/07/2021 13:05:50    2359758

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "What do you mean Dublin themselves? What's incredible about retirements? Have been a part of every team ever. If there are stronger players coming through and stepping up to other county teams who resultantly beat Dublin, that's not Dublin defeating themselves, that's Dublin getting beat."
The difference i think is lads are stepping away for whatever reason in their peak, maybe lost a bit of hunger, ,maybe nothing left to achieve or beat, maybe all not well.

What ever the reason, i think its an internal decision making undermining maximum ability to compete for an All Ireland, rather then say a team breaking through to overlap the standard Dublin have set.

Dublin are beating Dublin essentially. A full deck regardles of retirements, i think we would be far more competitive than i think we will be.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 14/07/2021 14:00:12    2359778

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "There seems to be something going on in the Dublin camp and it doesn't appear to be the happy place it was when Jim Gavin was there. Eric Lowndes gone off the panel midway through the season. Cluxton gone AWOL without any apparent explanation. All these departures have to weaken a side even one that has the resources of Dublin. Yes, Dessie Farrell won last year's all ireland which can't be disputed but this year will prove his worth as a manager with all these comings and going. The question is can Meath, Kildare and Westmeath put Dublin under enough pressure to expose those vulnerabilities which appear to be there? Wexford certainly highlighted some vulnerabilities which haven't been there before, the last day."
I get your point but maybe we reading too much into it. Players leave from other counties too. It does nt mean there s a fall out ior problems in the camp. Under Jim Gavin Connolly left for a while Jack McCaffery twice and there was the Jason Sherlock saga. Its a hard ask of players to keep going all the time especially finge players. Of course Dublin are weaker as a result but thats the cyle of things. In 09 Kerry won Sam with an excellent team but alot started retiring and stepping away. They still were only a breath away from winning Sam in 11..I think maybe people are being a bit hard on Dessie without knowing the full facts

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2791 - 14/07/2021 16:17:17    2359853

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Replying To avonali:  "I agree with this. Anything we say here is conjecture but I think Cluxton is irreplaceable. He was more than a goalkeeper/ captain. He was an exemplary figure, a talisman in the Dublin squad. He set the highest standards . You cannot replace that. The injuries to key defenders, the inevitable draining away of talent all have to matter.
If the Dubs were to be beaten I'd prefer it to be a Leinster team. I know what the bookies are saying; I'm aware of the narrative peddled in here that this is the Dubs version of Yerra etc. etc. But nothing lasts forever and I really sense the end of this great run is fast approaching . And when it does I'll toast their victors and drink to this wonderful period of Dublin domination. Despite what others may say or think, Dublin GAA does not possess an inexhaustible supply of highly gifted players.
And I know thy are rubbing their hands below in the Kingdom savouring a chance to knock Dublin off their perch in an All_lreland final. I don't think the narrative is going to unfold like that. By the way, that was their undoing last year. They were so busy focussing on the summit of Dublin looming in the distance that they failed to spot the banana skin under their feet in Cork.
I honestly don't believe it will end in a big showdown with Kerry in an All Ireland Final. That's just my opinion. And Kingdomboy, if this were not an internet forum I'd wager you a hundred euro that Dublin will not retain the canister. Of course if you want, I'll leave the money in any pub in the Camp/Curraheen/ Blennerville area for you. Just say the word."
Hi Avon. I was slightly confident of winning all ireland lady year but was wary of Cork. Imo Kerry showed Cork too much respect but we will never know. I was hopeful in 2019 but not confident. I was confident last year. I'm confident this year too if and that's a big if we get there. Its not yerra yerra but it's in our DNA to give Cork respect and then Ulster winners brings its own problems. The cards fell Dubs way last year no doubt with Kerry Donegal and Tyrone all gone early but they did what they had to do. Dublin are still the team to beat and still very strong. Kerry s defense could be our undoing again. Its definately more open now but still can put out an awesome 15 that looks like a super team but yes their subs bench won't be as strong. Nothing lasts forever but can't see them beaten in Leinster so who knows

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2791 - 14/07/2021 16:28:30    2359859

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